Making a post

Robert Jackson

November 13, 2013 at 5:56 PM

You just did.

Sent from mobile, please excuse typos and brevity.

On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Larry Doll wrote:

> Hello ,
>
> How can I make a post? I tried a few weeks ago and it didn't make it past the submit; I'm hoping to sell some mtb parts.
>
> Thanks, Larry Doll
>
> "...the moment my legs begin to move...."
>
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:34, obra-request@list.obra.org wrote:
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>> 1. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Mike Murray)
>> 2. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Thom Schoenborn)
>> 3. Re: Hit from behind. What now? (Steve Scarich)
>> 4. Riverview Meeting is tonight (Brian Baumann)
>> 5. F/S Garmin edge 200 (Dusty Miller)
>> 6. FS Oakley Jawbone (Dusty Miller)
>> 7. Re: Garmin and workout gear stolen (Robert Jackson)
>> 8. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Eric Aldinger)
>> 9. Re: Hit by car from behind What now? (rondot@spiritone.com)
>> 10. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Jeff Tedder)
>> 11. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Mike Murray)
>> 12. Lost at GPET Edgefield: White Team Oregon Castelli Jacket
>> (Caroline Gentry)
>> 13. I'd like to be able to post to the OBRA chat list (Caroline Hogan)
>> 14. New Lampoon Movie? (rondot@spiritone.com)
>> 15. Fw: ADV: Portland Parks community meeting to discuss River
>> View area - Tuesday, Nov 12th 5:30-7:30pm (rondot@spiritone.com)
>> 16. Re: Performance Enhancement (Rich Desmond)
>> 17. FS: 60cm Bianchi Cross Concept w/ Rolf Prima Clinchers - $890
>> (complete bike) (Pete Moe)
>> 18. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (J. Michael Manning)
>> 19. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Jeff Tedder)
>> 20. Re: Performance Enhancement (johnfforbes)
>> 21. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Rick Johnson)
>> 22. Re: New Lampoon Movie? (Stewart Campbell)
>> 23. Re: Hit from behind. What now? (Mike Murray)
>> 24. Wasting time.... (Jeff Tedder)
>> 25. FS: Garmin Edge 810 Bundle w/HR (Chuck Hood)
>> 26. PICS: PIR Infield CCX (Jake Tong)
>> 27. Reminder - Riverview Trails Meeting Tonight (Tyler Bump)
>> 28. An open apology to OBRA (J. Michael Manning)
>> 29. Strength for Cyclists Classes @ Hosmer Chiropractic Health
>> (Karey Miles)
>> 30. Re: Performance Enhancement (Kevin Mansker)
>> 31. pressure washing enhancements to end the legal performance
>> enhancements topic (Stewart Campbell)
>> 32. Cool cyclocross article (David)
>> 33. Re: pressure washing enhancements to end the legal
>> performance enhancements topic (Devin Flynn)
>> 34. FOR SALE: Michelin Mud 2 tires, Deep V track wheelset, Ridley
>> X-Fire (Todd Foreman-Kinder)
>> 35. FS: SRAM Red X-Dome cassette (Bennett Ferguson Shane)
>> 36. CX State Champs Photos (Tim Schallberger)
>> 37. Time to get PSYCHO (Salvatore Collura)
>> 38. Re: pressure washing enhancements to end the legal
>> performance enhancements topic (Stewart Campbell)
>> 39. Re: Hit from behind. What now? (Steve Scarich)
>> 40. FS 2013 Cannondale Scalpel Ultimate 29er (Jason Francis)
>> 41. Re: Hit from behind. What now? (Mike Murray)
>> 42. Re: Hit from behind. What now? (Andrew Osborn)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:53:51 +0000
>> From: "Mike Murray"
>> Cc: "remailer, OBRA"
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
>> Message-ID:
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>>
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>> I don't like the implication that OBRA does not have prohibitions against doping. There is the potential for testing at OBRA events. USADA could consider it. OBRA would bear the cost. The estimate was $2,500 to test 3 riders at a single race.
>>
>> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "J. Michael Manning"
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:32:35
>> To: Jeff Tedder
>> Cc: OBRA
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:28:03 -0800
>> From: Thom Schoenborn
>> To: "mike.murray@obra.org"
>> Cc: "remailer, OBRA"
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> That's it. I'm re-implementing my doping-and-Lance email filter. Ugh.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013, Mike Murray wrote:
>>
>>> I don't like the implication that OBRA does not have prohibitions against
>>> doping. There is the potential for testing at OBRA events. USADA could
>>> consider it. OBRA would bear the cost. The estimate was $2,500 to test 3
>>> riders at a single race.
>>>
>>> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "J. Michael Manning" >
>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:32:35
>>> To: Jeff Tedder>
>>> Cc: OBRA>
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
>>>
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>> From: Steve Scarich
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Hit from behind. What now?
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>> You're dreaming if you think the police will respond to every accident. Over 10 year's ago, I was right-hooked by a commercial truck driver on a city street in Eugene. Luckily, because of my superior bike-handling skills, I bunny-hopped the curb, then crashed into the vegetation in front of a business. The driver did stop, gave me his cell-phone and I called 911. The operator asked "are you lying in the street?" I said "No, I was only scratched up a bit, but my front wheel was tacoed". She said that nobody would respond then, it was between me and the driver, and hung up on me. True story. Luckily, the owner of the business was a stand-up guy and paid for a new wheel. I would actually recommend, that if you think you might be hurt, or have major bike damage, stay lying down in the street (protected by a parked car or something), and demand that the police respond, because you are injured. Make a big deal about it, because, in my experience, once a driver is allowed the le
> av
>> e the scene, I can almost guarantee their version of the accident will change, and not to your benefit.
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:45:14 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Brian Baumann
>> To: "obra@list.obra.org"
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Riverview Meeting is tonight
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>> Quick shout out to the PDX area cyclocrossers, mountain bikers, and those who wish to advocate for more off-road riding within the Portland area. ?Please stop by and give your input into the Recreation Plan that is currently being developed for the Riverview Natural Area. ?Even a quick 5 minute stop to give your input will suffice.
>>
>> The meeting is scheduled for?November 12,?2013: Community Meeting/Open House, 5:30-7:30 PM, PDX Church, 125 SW Miles.
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>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:46:26 -0800
>> From: Dusty Miller
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] F/S Garmin edge 200
>> Message-ID:
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>> Selling my garmin edge 200. I bought it about 2 months ago and it's great, I picked up am 800 fr a buddy and don't need 2. Asking $75.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:49:06 -0800
>> From: Dusty Miller
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS Oakley Jawbone
>> Message-ID:
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Selling a pair of Oakley Jawbone sunglasses. They are in perfect condition, I bought them new at the end of the summer and never really wore them. Don't fit me right. They are team blue (top) and white (bottom). Asking 100.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:23:04 -0800
>> From: Robert Jackson
>> To: "obra@list.obra.org"
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Garmin and workout gear stolen
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Also, keep an eye out for this Specialized Softshell jacket by Marmot
>> stolen:
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8HLWQn9vix2T2RmSWtYMzNOc1U/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Robert Jackson wrote:
>>
>>> 2x in 6 months, I've hopefully paid my penance for a misspent youth but
>>> keep your eyes out OBRA, there is a big grey Nike gym bag and/or a Garmin
>>> 910xt HRM with GPS that were stolen from my car tonight. Plus a ton of arm
>>> warmers, hats, a cycling kit, run shorts, etc.
>>>
>>> Again at my office at first and oak, this time during the day between 8:30
>>> and 5:30.
>>>
>>> Please kick these people who are stealing stuff in the junk.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sent from mobile, please excuse typos and brevity.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Robert M. Jackson
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>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:29:28 -0800
>> From: Eric Aldinger
>> To: Mike Murray
>> Cc: obra
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
>> Message-ID:
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>> Wait. . .Hammer products have EPO and Clem in them?! And OBRA sanctioned
>> races are sponsored by this awsome product?!!!! Hmmmnm......
>> On Nov 12, 2013 5:56 AM, "Mike Murray" wrote:
>>
>>> I don't like the implication that OBRA does not have prohibitions against
>>> doping. There is the potential for testing at OBRA events. USADA could
>>> consider it. OBRA would bear the cost. The estimate was $2,500 to test 3
>>> riders at a single race.
>>>
>>> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "J. Michael Manning"
>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:32:35
>>> To: Jeff Tedder
>>> Cc: OBRA
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
>>>
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>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:53:45 -0800
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>> To: , "remailer, OBRA"
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Hit by car from behind What now?
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>> Professional Honesty!!! Thank you Mike Murray!
>> ron
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Murray
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 5:42 AM
>> To: remailer, OBRA
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Hit by car from behind What now?
>>
>> As the doctor that people see I don't think you need to be quite that
>> aggressive. If you have good recall of the whole deal, don't have a
>> headache, don't have nausea, can hear and see normally and all your body
>> parts are working OK then the chance that you have something bad that we
>> will find AND can do something about is small. The chance that you will get
>> a large bill and maybe even a dose of radiation doing unnecessary imaging
>> studies is high. Of course if you have any of those things come on down.
>> Unfortunately it is really common for people who were involved in accidents
>> that have absolutely no signs or symptoms to come to the ED to be "checked
>> out". I am glad to do it and those fees helped put my kids through college
>> but I always feel a little guilty.
>>
>> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Osborn
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:30:17
>> To: Daniel; obra@list.obra.org
>> Reply-To: Andrew Osborn
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Hit by car from behind What now?
>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:17:33 -0800
>> From: "Jeff Tedder"
>> To: "J. Michael Manning"
>> Cc: OBRA
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
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>>
>> Manning, as to your cute little Panty quote, my first gut reaction is to just knock the S..t out of you, that might make me feel better but then Candi, Mike and Kenji would not be happy with me and I can't have that as I respect them and what we all strive for in OBRA, or at least most of us.....A great cycling and bike racing community with friendly people that just want to race their bikes and train hard.......So I will take the HIGH ROAD and let your own actions bury you, which from the feedback I have seen and the 25 or so direct emails I got, yep you pretty much did the job buddy......It's nice to know that people really do support all the hard work some us put into trying to build respectful teams and businesses in the cycling world, its not easy and alot of hard work, plus keeping quality people around on our teams is key.......Maybe you should work at that instead of all your propaganda BS you put on OBRA chat.....Just want to thank all of you that emailed me direct and gav
> e
>> me your thoughts.....onward and upward as they say.....
>>
>> HAMMER ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Jeff Tedder
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: J. Michael Manning
>> To: Jeff Tedder
>> Cc: Josh LeB
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Larry Doll

November 13, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Hello ,

How can I make a post? I tried a few weeks ago and it didn't make it past the submit; I'm hoping to sell some mtb parts.

Thanks, Larry Doll

"...the moment my legs begin to move...."

On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:34, obra-request@list.obra.org wrote:

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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Mike Murray)
> 2. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Thom Schoenborn)
> 3. Re: Hit from behind. What now? (Steve Scarich)
> 4. Riverview Meeting is tonight (Brian Baumann)
> 5. F/S Garmin edge 200 (Dusty Miller)
> 6. FS Oakley Jawbone (Dusty Miller)
> 7. Re: Garmin and workout gear stolen (Robert Jackson)
> 8. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Eric Aldinger)
> 9. Re: Hit by car from behind What now? (rondot@spiritone.com)
> 10. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Jeff Tedder)
> 11. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Mike Murray)
> 12. Lost at GPET Edgefield: White Team Oregon Castelli Jacket
> (Caroline Gentry)
> 13. I'd like to be able to post to the OBRA chat list (Caroline Hogan)
> 14. New Lampoon Movie? (rondot@spiritone.com)
> 15. Fw: ADV: Portland Parks community meeting to discuss River
> View area - Tuesday, Nov 12th 5:30-7:30pm (rondot@spiritone.com)
> 16. Re: Performance Enhancement (Rich Desmond)
> 17. FS: 60cm Bianchi Cross Concept w/ Rolf Prima Clinchers - $890
> (complete bike) (Pete Moe)
> 18. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (J. Michael Manning)
> 19. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Jeff Tedder)
> 20. Re: Performance Enhancement (johnfforbes)
> 21. Re: Legal Performance Enhancement (Rick Johnson)
> 22. Re: New Lampoon Movie? (Stewart Campbell)
> 23. Re: Hit from behind. What now? (Mike Murray)
> 24. Wasting time.... (Jeff Tedder)
> 25. FS: Garmin Edge 810 Bundle w/HR (Chuck Hood)
> 26. PICS: PIR Infield CCX (Jake Tong)
> 27. Reminder - Riverview Trails Meeting Tonight (Tyler Bump)
> 28. An open apology to OBRA (J. Michael Manning)
> 29. Strength for Cyclists Classes @ Hosmer Chiropractic Health
> (Karey Miles)
> 30. Re: Performance Enhancement (Kevin Mansker)
> 31. pressure washing enhancements to end the legal performance
> enhancements topic (Stewart Campbell)
> 32. Cool cyclocross article (David)
> 33. Re: pressure washing enhancements to end the legal
> performance enhancements topic (Devin Flynn)
> 34. FOR SALE: Michelin Mud 2 tires, Deep V track wheelset, Ridley
> X-Fire (Todd Foreman-Kinder)
> 35. FS: SRAM Red X-Dome cassette (Bennett Ferguson Shane)
> 36. CX State Champs Photos (Tim Schallberger)
> 37. Time to get PSYCHO (Salvatore Collura)
> 38. Re: pressure washing enhancements to end the legal
> performance enhancements topic (Stewart Campbell)
> 39. Re: Hit from behind. What now? (Steve Scarich)
> 40. FS 2013 Cannondale Scalpel Ultimate 29er (Jason Francis)
> 41. Re: Hit from behind. What now? (Mike Murray)
> 42. Re: Hit from behind. What now? (Andrew Osborn)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:53:51 +0000
> From: "Mike Murray"
> Cc: "remailer, OBRA"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
> Message-ID:
>
>
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> I don't like the implication that OBRA does not have prohibitions against doping. There is the potential for testing at OBRA events. USADA could consider it. OBRA would bear the cost. The estimate was $2,500 to test 3 riders at a single race.
>
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "J. Michael Manning"
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:32:35
> To: Jeff Tedder
> Cc: OBRA
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:28:03 -0800
> From: Thom Schoenborn
> To: "mike.murray@obra.org"
> Cc: "remailer, OBRA"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> That's it. I'm re-implementing my doping-and-Lance email filter. Ugh.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013, Mike Murray wrote:
>
>> I don't like the implication that OBRA does not have prohibitions against
>> doping. There is the potential for testing at OBRA events. USADA could
>> consider it. OBRA would bear the cost. The estimate was $2,500 to test 3
>> riders at a single race.
>>
>> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "J. Michael Manning" >
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:32:35
>> To: Jeff Tedder>
>> Cc: OBRA>
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
>>
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> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Hit from behind. What now?
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> You're dreaming if you think the police will respond to every accident. Over 10 year's ago, I was right-hooked by a commercial truck driver on a city street in Eugene. Luckily, because of my superior bike-handling skills, I bunny-hopped the curb, then crashed into the vegetation in front of a business. The driver did stop, gave me his cell-phone and I called 911. The operator asked "are you lying in the street?" I said "No, I was only scratched up a bit, but my front wheel was tacoed". She said that nobody would respond then, it was between me and the driver, and hung up on me. True story. Luckily, the owner of the business was a stand-up guy and paid for a new wheel. I would actually recommend, that if you think you might be hurt, or have major bike damage, stay lying down in the street (protected by a parked car or something), and demand that the police respond, because you are injured. Make a big deal about it, because, in my experience, once a driver is allowed the leav
> e the scene, I can almost guarantee their version of the accident will change, and not to your benefit.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:45:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: Brian Baumann
> To: "obra@list.obra.org"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Riverview Meeting is tonight
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> Quick shout out to the PDX area cyclocrossers, mountain bikers, and those who wish to advocate for more off-road riding within the Portland area. ?Please stop by and give your input into the Recreation Plan that is currently being developed for the Riverview Natural Area. ?Even a quick 5 minute stop to give your input will suffice.
>
> The meeting is scheduled for?November 12,?2013: Community Meeting/Open House, 5:30-7:30 PM, PDX Church, 125 SW Miles.
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> From: Dusty Miller
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] F/S Garmin edge 200
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> Selling my garmin edge 200. I bought it about 2 months ago and it's great, I picked up am 800 fr a buddy and don't need 2. Asking $75.
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:49:06 -0800
> From: Dusty Miller
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS Oakley Jawbone
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> Selling a pair of Oakley Jawbone sunglasses. They are in perfect condition, I bought them new at the end of the summer and never really wore them. Don't fit me right. They are team blue (top) and white (bottom). Asking 100.
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:23:04 -0800
> From: Robert Jackson
> To: "obra@list.obra.org"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Garmin and workout gear stolen
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> Also, keep an eye out for this Specialized Softshell jacket by Marmot
> stolen:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8HLWQn9vix2T2RmSWtYMzNOc1U/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Robert Jackson wrote:
>
>> 2x in 6 months, I've hopefully paid my penance for a misspent youth but
>> keep your eyes out OBRA, there is a big grey Nike gym bag and/or a Garmin
>> 910xt HRM with GPS that were stolen from my car tonight. Plus a ton of arm
>> warmers, hats, a cycling kit, run shorts, etc.
>>
>> Again at my office at first and oak, this time during the day between 8:30
>> and 5:30.
>>
>> Please kick these people who are stealing stuff in the junk.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sent from mobile, please excuse typos and brevity.
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> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:29:28 -0800
> From: Eric Aldinger
> To: Mike Murray
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> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
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> Wait. . .Hammer products have EPO and Clem in them?! And OBRA sanctioned
> races are sponsored by this awsome product?!!!! Hmmmnm......
> On Nov 12, 2013 5:56 AM, "Mike Murray" wrote:
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>> I don't like the implication that OBRA does not have prohibitions against
>> doping. There is the potential for testing at OBRA events. USADA could
>> consider it. OBRA would bear the cost. The estimate was $2,500 to test 3
>> riders at a single race.
>>
>> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:32:35
>> To: Jeff Tedder
>> Cc: OBRA
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Legal Performance Enhancement
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> Professional Honesty!!! Thank you Mike Murray!
> ron
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 5:42 AM
> To: remailer, OBRA
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> As the doctor that people see I don't think you need to be quite that
> aggressive. If you have good recall of the whole deal, don't have a
> headache, don't have nausea, can hear and see normally and all your body
> parts are working OK then the chance that you have something bad that we
> will find AND can do something about is small. The chance that you will get
> a large bill and maybe even a dose of radiation doing unnecessary imaging
> studies is high. Of course if you have any of those things come on down.
> Unfortunately it is really common for people who were involved in accidents
> that have absolutely no signs or symptoms to come to the ED to be "checked
> out". I am glad to do it and those fees helped put my kids through college
> but I always feel a little guilty.
>
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:30:17
> To: Daniel; obra@list.obra.org
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> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Hit by car from behind What now?
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:17:33 -0800
> From: "Jeff Tedder"
> To: "J. Michael Manning"
> Cc: OBRA
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> Manning, as to your cute little Panty quote, my first gut reaction is to just knock the S..t out of you, that might make me feel better but then Candi, Mike and Kenji would not be happy with me and I can't have that as I respect them and what we all strive for in OBRA, or at least most of us.....A great cycling and bike racing community with friendly people that just want to race their bikes and train hard.......So I will take the HIGH ROAD and let your own actions bury you, which from the feedback I have seen and the 25 or so direct emails I got, yep you pretty much did the job buddy......It's nice to know that people really do support all the hard work some us put into trying to build respectful teams and businesses in the cycling world, its not easy and alot of hard work, plus keeping quality people around on our teams is key.......Maybe you should work at that instead of all your propaganda BS you put on OBRA chat.....Just want to thank all of you that emailed me direct and gave
> me your thoughts.....onward and upward as they say.....
>
> HAMMER ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Jeff Tedder
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J. Michael Manning
> To: Jeff Tedder
> Cc: Josh LeB