Mike Murray

The difference is that members of the public and venue owners and operators are bothered and we lose venues. Not so much of a problem in France reportedly. There are places in the world where it is ok to walk around naked and other places where women must be covered head to toe and are not allowed to drive cars or be in public unescorted. Many places picking your nose in public is ok. In Singapore it is illegal to use chewing gum for non-medicinal purposes. None of this means that these standards apply here or should apply here.

Mike Murray
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> On Sep 15, 2014, at 12:44, Jon wrote:
>
> What has me humored with this all these discussions is how all the outraged people would deal with what I've seen over the last several weeks in France. I have seen people relieving themselves by the roadside often. This includes men, women, and children. Seems the US is touchy feely in all sorts of things. Still not advocating this on venues where there is a risk to racing but we honestly need to grow up some I think.
>
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>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 19:23, John Bravard wrote:
>>
>> I'll second that.
>>
>> Now can we drop the sanctimonious discussion of pressing sex offender charges for someone's ignorant, and clearly non-sexual, actions?
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:42 AM, C Murray wrote:
>>>
>>> Way to step up JV.
>>> Candi
>>>
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>>>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Johnny V asked me to send this to the entire OBRA community:
>>>>
>>>> I sincerely apologize for my misconduct at the cyclocross race this weekend. I feel I am a disgrace to the race promoter, OBRA, the School, my Team and my Friends. I made a stupid decision and feel I need to pay for my mistake. I admit I was being lazy and regret my mistake. I am going to pay the race promoter back for both races and make a $200 donation to the school. I learned a valuable lesion and it will NEVER happen again. Please forgive my ignorance.
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Mike Rosenfeld

Yes people pee everywhere in Europe...I wouldn't eat any Leeks from
Hoogerhide Netherlands after seeing just how much pee was rolling off the
hillside at CX worlds...I think the fields were slightly flooded after that
weekend.

However here in the US...the "average American" is not as open minded about
such things as exposed genitalia and peeing.

Wishing for Americans to "grow up" about peeing in public is pretty much
the same as peeing into the wind and hoping you don't get your shoes
wet....just not going to happen.

So...that being said...in the mean time how about it just doesn't happen at
the venues everyone loves and enjoys...why risk it?

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Jon wrote:

> What has me humored with this all these discussions is how all the
> outraged people would deal with what I've seen over the last several weeks
> in France. I have seen people relieving themselves by the roadside often.
> This includes men, women, and children. Seems the US is touchy feely in all
> sorts of things. Still not advocating this on venues where there is a risk
> to racing but we honestly need to grow up some I think.
>
> Sent from my iPhone5
>
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2014, at 19:23, John Bravard wrote:
>
> I'll second that.
>
> Now can we drop the sanctimonious discussion of pressing sex offender
> charges for someone's ignorant, and clearly non-sexual, actions?
>
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:42 AM, C Murray wrote:
>
> Way to step up JV.
> Candi
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:
>
> Johnny V asked me to send this to the entire OBRA community:
>
> I sincerely apologize for my misconduct at the cyclocross race this
> weekend. I feel I am a disgrace to the race promoter, OBRA, the School, my
> Team and my Friends. I made a stupid decision and feel I need to pay for
> my mistake. I admit I was being lazy and regret my mistake. I am going to
> pay the race promoter back for both races and make a $200 donation to the
> school. I learned a valuable lesion and it will NEVER happen again. Please
> forgive my ignorance.
>
>
>
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Jon

What has me humored with this all these discussions is how all the outraged people would deal with what I've seen over the last several weeks in France. I have seen people relieving themselves by the roadside often. This includes men, women, and children. Seems the US is touchy feely in all sorts of things. Still not advocating this on venues where there is a risk to racing but we honestly need to grow up some I think.

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> On Sep 15, 2014, at 19:23, John Bravard wrote:
>
> I'll second that.
>
> Now can we drop the sanctimonious discussion of pressing sex offender charges for someone's ignorant, and clearly non-sexual, actions?
>
>
>
>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:42 AM, C Murray wrote:
>>
>> Way to step up JV.
>> Candi
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:
>>>
>>> Johnny V asked me to send this to the entire OBRA community:
>>>
>>> I sincerely apologize for my misconduct at the cyclocross race this weekend. I feel I am a disgrace to the race promoter, OBRA, the School, my Team and my Friends. I made a stupid decision and feel I need to pay for my mistake. I admit I was being lazy and regret my mistake. I am going to pay the race promoter back for both races and make a $200 donation to the school. I learned a valuable lesion and it will NEVER happen again. Please forgive my ignorance.
>>>
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John Bravard

I'll second that.

Now can we drop the sanctimonious discussion of pressing sex offender charges for someone's ignorant, and clearly non-sexual, actions?

> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:42 AM, C Murray wrote:
>
> Way to step up JV.
> Candi
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:
>>
>> Johnny V asked me to send this to the entire OBRA community:
>>
>> I sincerely apologize for my misconduct at the cyclocross race this weekend. I feel I am a disgrace to the race promoter, OBRA, the School, my Team and my Friends. I made a stupid decision and feel I need to pay for my mistake. I admit I was being lazy and regret my mistake. I am going to pay the race promoter back for both races and make a $200 donation to the school. I learned a valuable lesion and it will NEVER happen again. Please forgive my ignorance.
>>
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C Murray

Way to step up JV.
Candi

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> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:
>
> Johnny V asked me to send this to the entire OBRA community:
>
> I sincerely apologize for my misconduct at the cyclocross race this weekend. I feel I am a disgrace to the race promoter, OBRA, the School, my Team and my Friends. I made a stupid decision and feel I need to pay for my mistake. I admit I was being lazy and regret my mistake. I am going to pay the race promoter back for both races and make a $200 donation to the school. I learned a valuable lesion and it will NEVER happen again. Please forgive my ignorance.
>
>
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