rond..@spiritone.com
Yeah....many great places........King’s Estates was epic. All that stuff we rode through is probably now planted in grapes however. Nothing stays the same.
If not doing any “OBRA” event this Saturday, offering support for the G. Green event might be helpful to bring that group and maybe the Portland Parks back into the fold. As a citizen of Portland, I personally think bike racing should have a place in the “Portland Parks and Recreation” mission!
ronnie
From: Robert Jackson via OBRA
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:35 AM
To: Dan H
Cc: OBRA List ; Rick Boston
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Corn Cross was great, and so is Edgefield!
I think the gateway green event this weekend is an attempt to bring cross back to the Portland Parks and Rec.
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Dan H via OBRA wrote:
Pier park was one of the best. Gabriel park was good too. I don't think we can ever go back to the parks. There used to be 30 or 40 racers in each of maybe 4 categories. There was room to park and the course could be less than 2 miles. There were over 1100 competitors at PIR last weekend. Where are you going to host that kind of numbers?
From: Tim Schauer via OBRA
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:29 AM
To: Scott Jones
Cc: OBRA List ; Rick Boston
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Corn Cross was great, and so is Edgefield!
I have had the privilege of racing many different OBRA championship venues. There have been flat championships and hilly championships. There have been courses close to PDX and some further away. I like that it rotates every two years. Having a new course every year doesn't give you as much an opportunity to prepare or adapt year over year if you wanted to target the champs the following year. If you really want to see your favorite course as the champs next year, encourage that promoter to bid for the champs and offer to help them make it happen.
I will offer that there are two courses I miss from the past that I dream about making a return to the schedule as the champs or not.
These are my favorite course from the past that are no more.....What are yours?
1. Estacada Timber Park
2. Jackson Park or School
3. King's Estate Winery
4. Pier Park
These courses were awesome!
Tim Schauer
MacKay Sposito
Mobile 360 904 0748
Direct line 360 823 1313
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On Nov 12, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Scott Jones via OBRA wrote:
The Championship courses are bid on every 2 years. So Edgefield had it in 2013 and 2014. Unless only the Edgefield promoter submits a proposal (which I highly doubt will be the case) then the event will be at a different venue in 2015.
On Nov 12, 2014 12:29 AM, "Rick Boston via OBRA" wrote:
Unfortunately, I had to work on Saturday, so I was only able to take a quick break during my lunch time to go cheer on some teammates and friends before heading back to work: that being said: I find it weird that OBRA has chosen to latch onto this race and make it the STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS for the last couple years. It is an EXTREME course that favors climbers and ironically, runners. Don't get me wrong, as a "largish" sprinter type, I am far more comfortable on flat, technical courses that don't have a lot of actual elevation in them ( think:Blind Date or PDX Trophy Cup), but I understand the need to have a variety of courses that suit a variety of riders. As in most "championship races" the course from year to year can favor a different type of rider (it's why such a wide variety of riders have worn the World Championship jersey of the decades), but to continue to hold the STATE Championships at the same extreme course year after year is, in my opinion, a narrow minded approach. The
turn out for a State Championship Race was really low (the "Large" field of the Master C men barely had 40 riders and the "Pro or Elite" field was less than 20. ) Hardly an accurate representation of the riders who frequent the races throughout the Fall for Cyclocross.
I shot photos and watched, most of my friends who consistently race either bailed on the course or were saving themselves for the 7th of 8 races for the cross crusade. Why not change the venue from year to year? Why not hold the race AT THE END OF THE SEASON when it doesn't conflict with other races?
Edgefield, I love you; (come on baby, you know I do) and I've raced this course, actually, on the first year it was held. That was a fun, ridiculously insane course where at some point I was crawling on all fours with my bike over my shoulder trying to crawl up the "run Up" that was SO greasy it was barely crawl-able. I think that this is a fun and challenging course; but, it would be like holding the Obra Crit Championship on Mt. Tabor every year....
R
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