David Garcia

Michael Rosenberg

2015-05-27

Any update on David's condition?

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From: tyler via OBRA
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Sent: Tue, May 26, 2015 5:12 pm
Subject: [OBRA Chat] David Garcia

Update: A Hillsboro man on Tuesday was cited for making a dangerous left turn
and careless driving after he caused a collision that seriously injured a Cedar
Mill bicyclist on Friday.

David Warren, 64, was driving his Ford Bronco
eastbound on Barnes Road when he turned left onto Southwest Miller Road, into
the path of David Garcia, 43, who was bicycling westbound on Barnes at a high
speed.
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tyler

2015-05-27

Update: A Hillsboro man on Tuesday was cited for making a dangerous left turn and careless driving after he caused a collision that seriously injured a Cedar Mill bicyclist on Friday.

David Warren, 64, was driving his Ford Bronco eastbound on Barnes Road when he turned left onto Southwest Miller Road, into the path of David Garcia, 43, who was bicycling westbound on Barnes at a high speed.


Phreadi

2015-05-23

Yes, same David Garcia. He's been racing triathlons more recently. Pretty
sure he's still on this list as he just posted days ago. Heal up, David --
our thoughts are with you.

Fred

On Saturday, May 23, 2015, Steven R Holland via OBRA
wrote:

> Is this the same Dave Garcia that used to be an OBRA racer years ago cat
> 2? Good climber?
>
> Steven R Holland
>
> > On May 23, 2015, at 10:39 AM, tyler via OBRA > wrote:
> >
> > Annoyed with the reporting and police commentary - "riding a street-type
> bicycle which are pretty fast", "traveling at a high rate of speed", "down
> a steep hill", "continued straight from the turn lane", "cyclist crashed
> into SUV", etc., implying it was the David's fault.
> >
> > Barnes westbound to Miller is hardly a steep hill. I top-out with my
> street-type bike at about 35mph coming down Skyline to Barnes which is
> steeper. And, even at a "pretty fast high rate of speed" of 35mph, David
> would have been at the speed limit for Barnes.
> >
> > At the Barnes/Miller intersection, since there is no bike lane between
> the straight and right turn lanes, what is a cyclist to do? Move into the
> straight lane and get run over by impatient drivers in that lane? Or, ride
> just to the right of the straight lane, which at this intersection would be
> the left side of the right turn lane, where drivers prefer so that cyclist
> stay out of their way?
> >
> > The driver said he thought David was going to turn right since he was in
> the turn lane. But, David presumably did not signal a turn. And, was is
> reasonable to assume that David was going to cut that turn at such a high
> rate of speed?
> >
> > Regardless, even if David were going to turn, he still would have had
> the right-of-way, and given the location of the collision in the
> intersection, the driver still would have run over David.
> >
> > How about this headline instead, "Another inattentive driver turns left
> into oncoming traffic colliding with and critically injuring a cyclist"?
> >
> > But, yes, I know, assuming a lower limit to driver stupidity can prove
> fatal.
> >
> > Best to David.
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tyler

2015-05-23

To be determined. I'm not putting much weight on the "credible witness accounts" regarding his lane position (what did those witnesses consider the turn lane? The longish section where the road widens to three "lanes" (left, straight, right) without any lane separation lines, where a cyclist would riding on the right side, but not distinctly a right turn lane? Or, the short section directly preceding the intersection where the solid lane line divides straight/right? Will wait for official determination. The point is (1) he would have been run over regardless of whether he continued straight or turned, and (2) it seems the overwhelming response in these situations is to first assume the cyclist was at fault.


Steven R Holland

2015-05-23

Is this the same Dave Garcia that used to be an OBRA racer years ago cat 2? Good climber?

Steven R Holland

> On May 23, 2015, at 10:39 AM, tyler via OBRA wrote:
>
> Annoyed with the reporting and police commentary - "riding a street-type bicycle which are pretty fast", "traveling at a high rate of speed", "down a steep hill", "continued straight from the turn lane", "cyclist crashed into SUV", etc., implying it was the David's fault.
>
> Barnes westbound to Miller is hardly a steep hill. I top-out with my street-type bike at about 35mph coming down Skyline to Barnes which is steeper. And, even at a "pretty fast high rate of speed" of 35mph, David would have been at the speed limit for Barnes.
>
> At the Barnes/Miller intersection, since there is no bike lane between the straight and right turn lanes, what is a cyclist to do? Move into the straight lane and get run over by impatient drivers in that lane? Or, ride just to the right of the straight lane, which at this intersection would be the left side of the right turn lane, where drivers prefer so that cyclist stay out of their way?
>
> The driver said he thought David was going to turn right since he was in the turn lane. But, David presumably did not signal a turn. And, was is reasonable to assume that David was going to cut that turn at such a high rate of speed?
>
> Regardless, even if David were going to turn, he still would have had the right-of-way, and given the location of the collision in the intersection, the driver still would have run over David.
>
> How about this headline instead, "Another inattentive driver turns left into oncoming traffic colliding with and critically injuring a cyclist"?
>
> But, yes, I know, assuming a lower limit to driver stupidity can prove fatal.
>
> Best to David.
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Dan H

2015-05-23

I wasn't there, I didn't see it, I don't know who was at fault but if David
really went went straight from a turn lane, then yes, he should have moved
into the straight lane, taken his position in traffic and went straight. If
you are in a turn lane, go straight and get hit, it's your fault for being
unpredictable. That's why bicycles have to follow the traffic laws.
Where am I wrong?

--------------------------------------------------
From: "tyler via OBRA"
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 10:39 AM
To:
Subject: [OBRA Chat] David Garcia

> Annoyed with the reporting and police commentary - "riding a street-type
> bicycle which are pretty fast", "traveling at a high rate of speed", "down
> a steep hill", "continued straight from the turn lane", "cyclist crashed
> into SUV", etc., implying it was the David's fault.
>
> Barnes westbound to Miller is hardly a steep hill. I top-out with my
> street-type bike at about 35mph coming down Skyline to Barnes which is
> steeper. And, even at a "pretty fast high rate of speed" of 35mph, David
> would have been at the speed limit for Barnes.
>
> At the Barnes/Miller intersection, since there is no bike lane between the
> straight and right turn lanes, what is a cyclist to do? Move into the
> straight lane and get run over by impatient drivers in that lane? Or,
> ride just to the right of the straight lane, which at this intersection
> would be the left side of the right turn lane, where drivers prefer so
> that cyclist stay out of their way?
>
> The driver said he thought David was going to turn right since he was in
> the turn lane. But, David presumably did not signal a turn. And, was is
> reasonable to assume that David was going to cut that turn at such a high
> rate of speed?
>
> Regardless, even if David were going to turn, he still would have had the
> right-of-way, and given the location of the collision in the intersection,
> the driver still would have run over David.
>
> How about this headline instead, "Another inattentive driver turns left
> into oncoming traffic colliding with and critically injuring a cyclist"?
>
> But, yes, I know, assuming a lower limit to driver stupidity can prove
> fatal.
>
> Best to David.
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tyler

2015-05-23

Annoyed with the reporting and police commentary - "riding a street-type bicycle which are pretty fast", "traveling at a high rate of speed", "down a steep hill", "continued straight from the turn lane", "cyclist crashed into SUV", etc., implying it was the David's fault.

Barnes westbound to Miller is hardly a steep hill. I top-out with my street-type bike at about 35mph coming down Skyline to Barnes which is steeper. And, even at a "pretty fast high rate of speed" of 35mph, David would have been at the speed limit for Barnes.

At the Barnes/Miller intersection, since there is no bike lane between the straight and right turn lanes, what is a cyclist to do? Move into the straight lane and get run over by impatient drivers in that lane? Or, ride just to the right of the straight lane, which at this intersection would be the left side of the right turn lane, where drivers prefer so that cyclist stay out of their way?

The driver said he thought David was going to turn right since he was in the turn lane. But, David presumably did not signal a turn. And, was is reasonable to assume that David was going to cut that turn at such a high rate of speed?

Regardless, even if David were going to turn, he still would have had the right-of-way, and given the location of the collision in the intersection, the driver still would have run over David.

How about this headline instead, "Another inattentive driver turns left into oncoming traffic colliding with and critically injuring a cyclist"?

But, yes, I know, assuming a lower limit to driver stupidity can prove fatal.

Best to David.


Scott Kocher

2015-05-23

http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2015/05/bicyclist_suffers_life-threate.html

Misreported as Hillsboro.