prizes

That said, if I were to promote a race men and women WOULD have equal prizes.
Ed

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:37 PM, EAL wrote:

Elizabeth.  It's a leap of logic to say "let's do it like it's always been done" and "have the people with the most skin in the game decide".  Maybe the promoters want to keep things the same.  Maybe not.  

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 10:32 AM, Elizabeth Gardiner wrote:

Ah, yes... "let's just keep doing it how we've always done it." Brilliant.
Sure, individual promoters and race sponsors can continue doing whatever they like depending on what makes sense for their needs and interests... but for some of the bigger series, this actually makes a lot of sense.

Plus, BUBBLES!

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:02 AM, EAL via OBRA wrote:

With all due respect to the brilliant prize insights posted here, I say let the promoters, you know, the people who invest huge amounts of time, energy and money to actually put on the races, decide what do do about prizes.  Something tells me that the people with the most skin in the game will figure it out correctly.

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 9:55 AM, jenn levo via OBRA wrote:

So I had this idea right,... every race, every category, every prime, every placing, instead of gift certificates, socks, pints, or trucker hats, we give out tickets. Throughout the year you can collect your tickets and then turn them in for a prize of your choice (think Chuck E Cheese) at the yearly OBRA banquet or rules meeting. Or, instead of a prize, you could turn in your tickets for free race entry at a future race? If teammates helped you win a race or grab some primes, you could float some tickets to them as a thank you. Don't race for prizes? Cool... kick your tickets to someone who could use a discounted entry and feel the love.

Each team in OBRA would be responsible for collecting the bounty of prizes to refill the coffers each year as part of their team fee. And, the coffers would live in the grandaddy of OBRA trailers... think Harry Potter... like, it just looks like a trailer from outside but once you step through the doors its a PALACE OF SWAG! That way, if you want gift certificates for massages, boom.... you get it. If you want an XL t-shirt that you plan on turning into a dress.... boom, you get it. One new MTB tire? Done. No more complaining that a dude's master racer got a sweet SRAM trucker hat and you were given a six pack of outdated beer that isn't gluten free. And... if people like bubbles, shit... we'll get a bubble machine and they can run through the bubbles into the PALACE OF SWAG!

A) It's fair across the board
B) gets more people to OBRA parties and meetings
C) BUBBLES!!!!!

-levo

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Elizabeth.  It's a leap of logic to say "let's do it like it's always been done" and "have the people with the most skin in the game decide".  Maybe the promoters want to keep things the same.  Maybe not.  

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 10:32 AM, Elizabeth Gardiner wrote:

Ah, yes... "let's just keep doing it how we've always done it." Brilliant.
Sure, individual promoters and race sponsors can continue doing whatever they like depending on what makes sense for their needs and interests... but for some of the bigger series, this actually makes a lot of sense.

Plus, BUBBLES!

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:02 AM, EAL via OBRA wrote:

With all due respect to the brilliant prize insights posted here, I say let the promoters, you know, the people who invest huge amounts of time, energy and money to actually put on the races, decide what do do about prizes.  Something tells me that the people with the most skin in the game will figure it out correctly.

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 9:55 AM, jenn levo via OBRA wrote:

So I had this idea right,... every race, every category, every prime, every placing, instead of gift certificates, socks, pints, or trucker hats, we give out tickets. Throughout the year you can collect your tickets and then turn them in for a prize of your choice (think Chuck E Cheese) at the yearly OBRA banquet or rules meeting. Or, instead of a prize, you could turn in your tickets for free race entry at a future race? If teammates helped you win a race or grab some primes, you could float some tickets to them as a thank you. Don't race for prizes? Cool... kick your tickets to someone who could use a discounted entry and feel the love.

Each team in OBRA would be responsible for collecting the bounty of prizes to refill the coffers each year as part of their team fee. And, the coffers would live in the grandaddy of OBRA trailers... think Harry Potter... like, it just looks like a trailer from outside but once you step through the doors its a PALACE OF SWAG! That way, if you want gift certificates for massages, boom.... you get it. If you want an XL t-shirt that you plan on turning into a dress.... boom, you get it. One new MTB tire? Done. No more complaining that a dude's master racer got a sweet SRAM trucker hat and you were given a six pack of outdated beer that isn't gluten free. And... if people like bubbles, shit... we'll get a bubble machine and they can run through the bubbles into the PALACE OF SWAG!

A) It's fair across the board
B) gets more people to OBRA parties and meetings
C) BUBBLES!!!!!

-levo

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Elizabeth Gardiner

2016-08-23

Ah, yes... "let's just keep doing it how we've always done it." Brilliant.
Sure, individual promoters and race sponsors can continue doing whatever
they like depending on what makes sense for their needs and interests...
but for some of the bigger series, this actually makes a lot of sense.

Plus, BUBBLES!

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 10:02 AM, EAL via OBRA wrote:

> With all due respect to the brilliant prize insights posted here, I say
> let the promoters, you know, the people who invest huge amounts of time,
> energy and money to actually put on the races, decide what do do about
> prizes. Something tells me that the people with the most skin in the game
> will figure it out correctly.
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 9:55 AM, jenn levo via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>
>
> So I had this idea right,... every race, every category, every prime,
> every placing, instead of gift certificates, socks, pints, or trucker hats,
> we give out tickets. Throughout the year you can collect your tickets and
> then turn them in for a prize of your choice (think Chuck E Cheese) at the
> yearly OBRA banquet or rules meeting. Or, instead of a prize, you could
> turn in your tickets for free race entry at a future race? If teammates
> helped you win a race or grab some primes, you could float some tickets to
> them as a thank you. Don't race for prizes? Cool... kick your tickets to
> someone who could use a discounted entry and feel the love.
>
> Each team in OBRA would be responsible for collecting the bounty of prizes
> to refill the coffers each year as part of their team fee. And, the coffers
> would live in the grandaddy of OBRA trailers... think Harry Potter... like,
> it just looks like a trailer from outside but once you step through the
> doors its a PALACE OF SWAG! That way, if you want gift certificates for
> massages, boom.... you get it. If you want an XL t-shirt that you plan on
> turning into a dress.... boom, you get it. One new MTB tire? Done. No more
> complaining that a dude's master racer got a sweet SRAM trucker hat and you
> were given a six pack of outdated beer that isn't gluten free. And... if
> people like bubbles, shit... we'll get a bubble machine and they can run
> through the bubbles into the PALACE OF SWAG!
>
> A) It's fair across the board
> B) gets more people to OBRA parties and meetings
> C) BUBBLES!!!!!
>
> -levo
>
>
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With all due respect to the brilliant prize insights posted here, I say let the promoters, you know, the people who invest huge amounts of time, energy and money to actually put on the races, decide what do do about prizes.  Something tells me that the people with the most skin in the game will figure it out correctly.

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 9:55 AM, jenn levo via OBRA wrote:

So I had this idea right,... every race, every category, every prime, every placing, instead of gift certificates, socks, pints, or trucker hats, we give out tickets. Throughout the year you can collect your tickets and then turn them in for a prize of your choice (think Chuck E Cheese) at the yearly OBRA banquet or rules meeting. Or, instead of a prize, you could turn in your tickets for free race entry at a future race? If teammates helped you win a race or grab some primes, you could float some tickets to them as a thank you. Don't race for prizes? Cool... kick your tickets to someone who could use a discounted entry and feel the love.

Each team in OBRA would be responsible for collecting the bounty of prizes to refill the coffers each year as part of their team fee. And, the coffers would live in the grandaddy of OBRA trailers... think Harry Potter... like, it just looks like a trailer from outside but once you step through the doors its a PALACE OF SWAG! That way, if you want gift certificates for massages, boom.... you get it. If you want an XL t-shirt that you plan on turning into a dress.... boom, you get it. One new MTB tire? Done. No more complaining that a dude's master racer got a sweet SRAM trucker hat and you were given a six pack of outdated beer that isn't gluten free. And... if people like bubbles, shit... we'll get a bubble machine and they can run through the bubbles into the PALACE OF SWAG!

A) It's fair across the board
B) gets more people to OBRA parties and meetings
C) BUBBLES!!!!!

-levo

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jenn levo

2016-08-23

So I had this idea right,... every race, every category, every prime, every
placing, instead of gift certificates, socks, pints, or trucker hats, we
give out tickets. Throughout the year you can collect your tickets and then
turn them in for a prize of your choice (think Chuck E Cheese) at the
yearly OBRA banquet or rules meeting. Or, instead of a prize, you could
turn in your tickets for free race entry at a future race? If teammates
helped you win a race or grab some primes, you could float some tickets to
them as a thank you. Don't race for prizes? Cool... kick your tickets to
someone who could use a discounted entry and feel the love.

Each team in OBRA would be responsible for collecting the bounty of prizes
to refill the coffers each year as part of their team fee. And, the coffers
would live in the grandaddy of OBRA trailers... think Harry Potter... like,
it just looks like a trailer from outside but once you step through the
doors its a PALACE OF SWAG! That way, if you want gift certificates for
massages, boom.... you get it. If you want an XL t-shirt that you plan on
turning into a dress.... boom, you get it. One new MTB tire? Done. No more
complaining that a dude's master racer got a sweet SRAM trucker hat and you
were given a six pack of outdated beer that isn't gluten free. And... if
people like bubbles, shit... we'll get a bubble machine and they can run
through the bubbles into the PALACE OF SWAG!

A) It's fair across the board
B) gets more people to OBRA parties and meetings
C) BUBBLES!!!!!

-levo


jesse luckett

2016-08-20

How about stop asking for prizes at all you f+-_King wankers!.....race
because you want to. Race because it's thrilling!... Race because it makes
you feel alive!......stop asking for prizes!

On Aug 19, 2016 9:00 PM, "via OBRA" wrote:

> I have never participated in a bubble run but I have seen the traffic of
> 10,000 people going to PIR to run a few K and finish running through suds
> for what I assume is a T shirt, a bag of sponsor samples and coupons for
> stuff and perhaps a participation medal. I don't know what it costs to
> enter, but I'm pretty sure the promoter is making bank.
>
> On 2016-08-19 20:15, Mike Murray via OBRA wrote:
>
>> There is a nonsense correlation between prize list and participation. It
>> makes sense that a higher prize list would attract more riders but it is
>> simply not the case. People go to races that are fun, organized well, have
>> some other hook, etc. You can't make a poor attendance race into a good
>> attendance race by making the prize list bigger. Regardless, the point I
>> was
>> trying to make is that bike racing is fairly unique in prizing even
>> beginner
>> races. How many other sports do that? Even if it did increase
>> participation
>> I am not sure that the cost would be worth it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Steve Scarich
>> via OBRA
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 08:55
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Prizes
>>
>> I generally agree with Mike, but not totally. I used to be a decent
>> Masters
>> racer. When deciding to travel some distance to race, economics were part
>> of my decision-making process. I weighed travel costs, entry fees (they
>> were very low back then), the course AND potential for winning money or
>> stuff. That's just me, but I suspect others think similarly. I won
>> hundreds of dollars of cash and stuff at several races, and it helped keep
>> up my motivation to travel and race. Anything that attracts a bigger
>> field
>> is worth considering by race promoters. To make it simpler, some of us
>> just
>> like material rewards. Nothing wrong with that.
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d..@bicyclerepairman.us

2016-08-20

I have never participated in a bubble run but I have seen the traffic of
10,000 people going to PIR to run a few K and finish running through
suds for what I assume is a T shirt, a bag of sponsor samples and
coupons for stuff and perhaps a participation medal. I don't know what
it costs to enter, but I'm pretty sure the promoter is making bank.

On 2016-08-19 20:15, Mike Murray via OBRA wrote:
> There is a nonsense correlation between prize list and participation.
> It
> makes sense that a higher prize list would attract more riders but it
> is
> simply not the case. People go to races that are fun, organized well,
> have
> some other hook, etc. You can't make a poor attendance race into a good
> attendance race by making the prize list bigger. Regardless, the point
> I was
> trying to make is that bike racing is fairly unique in prizing even
> beginner
> races. How many other sports do that? Even if it did increase
> participation
> I am not sure that the cost would be worth it.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Steve
> Scarich
> via OBRA
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 08:55
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Prizes
>
> I generally agree with Mike, but not totally. I used to be a decent
> Masters
> racer. When deciding to travel some distance to race, economics were
> part
> of my decision-making process. I weighed travel costs, entry fees
> (they
> were very low back then), the course AND potential for winning money or
> stuff. That's just me, but I suspect others think similarly. I won
> hundreds of dollars of cash and stuff at several races, and it helped
> keep
> up my motivation to travel and race. Anything that attracts a bigger
> field
> is worth considering by race promoters. To make it simpler, some of us
> just
> like material rewards. Nothing wrong with that.
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Mike Murray

2016-08-20

There is a nonsense correlation between prize list and participation. It
makes sense that a higher prize list would attract more riders but it is
simply not the case. People go to races that are fun, organized well, have
some other hook, etc. You can't make a poor attendance race into a good
attendance race by making the prize list bigger. Regardless, the point I was
trying to make is that bike racing is fairly unique in prizing even beginner
races. How many other sports do that? Even if it did increase participation
I am not sure that the cost would be worth it.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Steve Scarich
via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 08:55
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Prizes

I generally agree with Mike, but not totally. I used to be a decent Masters
racer. When deciding to travel some distance to race, economics were part
of my decision-making process. I weighed travel costs, entry fees (they
were very low back then), the course AND potential for winning money or
stuff. That's just me, but I suspect others think similarly. I won
hundreds of dollars of cash and stuff at several races, and it helped keep
up my motivation to travel and race. Anything that attracts a bigger field
is worth considering by race promoters. To make it simpler, some of us just
like material rewards. Nothing wrong with that.
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Robert

2016-08-18

The purpose of prize money is to attract racers. Seems to help cross, hasn't done a thing for track and road.

On August 18, 2016 8:55:22 AM PDT, Steve Scarich via OBRA wrote:
>I generally agree with Mike, but not totally. I used to be a decent
>Masters racer. When deciding to travel some distance to race,
>economics were part of my decision-making process. I weighed travel
>costs, entry fees (they were very low back then), the course AND
>potential for winning money or stuff. That's just me, but I suspect
>others think similarly. I won hundreds of dollars of cash and stuff at
>several races, and it helped keep up my motivation to travel and race.
>Anything that attracts a bigger field is worth considering by race
>promoters. To make it simpler, some of us just like material rewards.
>Nothing wrong with that.
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Steve Scarich

2016-08-18

I generally agree with Mike, but not totally. I used to be a decent Masters racer. When deciding to travel some distance to race, economics were part of my decision-making process. I weighed travel costs, entry fees (they were very low back then), the course AND potential for winning money or stuff. That's just me, but I suspect others think similarly. I won hundreds of dollars of cash and stuff at several races, and it helped keep up my motivation to travel and race. Anything that attracts a bigger field is worth considering by race promoters. To make it simpler, some of us just like material rewards. Nothing wrong with that.


Philip Sanders

2015-06-15

If you left early & failed to pick up your race prize from the Blue Ribbon
Track Omnium, I will be carrying them with me to PIR, FTF, & the track race
on Saturday.

Thanks,

Phil Sanders