Scappy Riding Permit

Michael Medina

2015-06-26

Coming from a somewhat different perspective of a wildlife biologist who
has run into Weyerhaeuser a few times over the years (including today),
Weyerhaeuser has done (and can do) what they want regarding access to their
land for recreational and/or work related purposes and I've seen them pull
the plug for no apparent reason (and they don't have to give one either).

I've seen things get really complicated with them quickly and they should
be respected if future access is desired.

Michael Medina

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 22:50 Eric Aldinger via OBRA
wrote:

> NWTA was notified of this last year. It is a general policy in effect
> in most parcels owned by Weyerhaeuser. NWTA tried to enter
> negotiations to lease the land outright, but were unable to for
> various reasons. You can write the land owner if you want. I would
> recommend being polite.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:03 PM, dacrizzow via OBRA
> wrote:
> > so....we didn't see this coming? better poach it before it's completely
> clearcut
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Eric Aldinger

2015-06-26

For any of you who want more details:

The permit a bike rider (mountain or gravel) would need is the
Columbia-Columbia/Washington Counties NON-MOTORIZED permit. Below is
the map of the permit area around the trails in Scappoose. If you
shrink it, you see the same area covers lands around Crown Zellerbach
(in case you like to explore around that dirt road).

https://www.wyrecreationnw.com/AvailableAreas/GMapViewer.aspx?permitkey=9400

This is the general permit page for the same area. They have issued
more permits as of yesterday, but may have sold out again.
https://www.wyrecreationnw.com/Permits/PropertyPage_NorthwestOR.aspx

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Eric Aldinger wrote:
> NWTA was notified of this last year. It is a general policy in effect
> in most parcels owned by Weyerhaeuser. NWTA tried to enter
> negotiations to lease the land outright, but were unable to for
> various reasons. You can write the land owner if you want. I would
> recommend being polite.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:03 PM, dacrizzow via OBRA wrote:
>> so....we didn't see this coming? better poach it before it's completely clearcut
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Eric Aldinger

2015-06-26

NWTA was notified of this last year. It is a general policy in effect
in most parcels owned by Weyerhaeuser. NWTA tried to enter
negotiations to lease the land outright, but were unable to for
various reasons. You can write the land owner if you want. I would
recommend being polite.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:03 PM, dacrizzow via OBRA wrote:
> so....we didn't see this coming? better poach it before it's completely clearcut
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dacrizzow

2015-06-26

so....we didn't see this coming? better poach it before it's completely clearcut


Thom Batty

2015-06-24

Without involvement we are going to loose them all. I am less bothered by a
private land owner limiting access than I am by the amount of public land
that we are being kicked out of.

Thom Batty
The Bike Concierge
503.314.6095
thebikeconcierge.com
On Jun 24, 2015 11:40 AM, "Eric Aldinger via OBRA"
wrote:

> A shame to lose access to this trail system.
> On Jun 24, 2015 8:29 AM, "via OBRA" wrote:
>
>> *If you are interested in continuing to ride at Scappoose
>> trails..........as of July 1, 2015 you will need a permit. You had better
>> decide and act on info below.*
>> I understand the North Side permits are already sold out (not to riders
>> if you can believe it), but some additional *South Side permits* (some
>> already sold earlier) will be issued today. *I understand that for a
>> mere $50 dollars you can purchase an individual permit to ride* (if
>> available and you get one)* from July 1 – December 31. * Not sure
>> what happens after Dec. 31.
>> I guess if you ride there a lot, you might want to get on board if you
>> can get one of the permits. They were sold out yesterday, but more might
>> be available today. Remember this is for South Side. *After July 1,
>> 2015 the North Side will not be open for riding* as I understand. The
>> company is moving to Permit and Lease use only. I have no idea how this
>> will be enforced, but assume they will do what is necessary. Site below to
>> purchase permit.
>>
>> Andy - thought you said they were going to sell more on Thursday morning?
>>
>> Ron - you buy them here:
>> https://www.wyrecreationnw.com/Permits/PropertyPage_NorthwestOR.aspx
>>
>>
>> *Even though I do not care for this process, I urge people who apply to
>> be on best behavior so Mtn. Bikers are perceived in good light by
>> landowners. I sure wish BLM owned this property.*
>> Thanks to Andy of NWTA for letting us know about the change, even though
>> it was last minute.
>>
>> *ron*
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Eric Aldinger

2015-06-24

A shame to lose access to this trail system.
On Jun 24, 2015 8:29 AM, "via OBRA" wrote:

> *If you are interested in continuing to ride at Scappoose
> trails..........as of July 1, 2015 you will need a permit. You had better
> decide and act on info below.*
> I understand the North Side permits are already sold out (not to riders if
> you can believe it), but some additional *South Side permits* (some
> already sold earlier) will be issued today. *I understand that for a mere
> $50 dollars you can purchase an individual permit to ride* (if available
> and you get one)* from July 1 – December 31. * Not sure what happens
> after Dec. 31.
> I guess if you ride there a lot, you might want to get on board if you can
> get one of the permits. They were sold out yesterday, but more might be
> available today. Remember this is for South Side. *After July 1, 2015
> the North Side will not be open for riding* as I understand. The company
> is moving to Permit and Lease use only. I have no idea how this will be
> enforced, but assume they will do what is necessary. Site below to
> purchase permit.
>
> Andy - thought you said they were going to sell more on Thursday morning?
>
> Ron - you buy them here:
> https://www.wyrecreationnw.com/Permits/PropertyPage_NorthwestOR.aspx
>
>
> *Even though I do not care for this process, I urge people who apply to be
> on best behavior so Mtn. Bikers are perceived in good light by landowners.
> I sure wish BLM owned this property.*
> Thanks to Andy of NWTA for letting us know about the change, even though
> it was last minute.
>
> *ron*
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rond..@spiritone.com

2015-06-24

Remember we are going to begin building on Metro lands (Tual. Mtns.). Also Mayor Hales if much more positive about getting some options for us on Parks lands.
Maybe I will attend the next NWTA meeting (last Tuesday evening of month) and see if some sort of letter writing campaign to BLM or OR. State Forests might make them see that a land swap with Weyerhaeuser might be VERY GOOD for the regions recreational needs (biking / hiking) as well as wildlife corridors. As it stands now, the tree growing companies pretty much slash, burn, poison, then plant and poison again. Then they spend $ on ads telling us how great they are replanting the forests for all...........when the truth is our legislature passed laws mandating them do this prudent replanting. They still get away with a good deal of nasty environmental stuff. I wander..........you know me. take care out there.
Thanks to all of you out there for every individual effort to either build, maintain or general support of trail advocacy (as in membership) etc.

ron

From: J Bravard
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:47 AM
To: Thom Schoenborn
Cc: rondot@spiritone.com ; OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Scappy Riding Permit

As much as I agree that in light of its treatment of MTBers, Portland's claim as a leading bike city is a joke, this one can't be pinned on the city. This one is on the landowner, Weyerhaeuser.

It does, however, make a stronger case for all of us getting involved in developing MTB trails on public lands.

On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Thom Schoenborn via OBRA wrote:

...

Well that's just delightful. Maybe I'll take up fly-fishing or Cheeto-eating since options for mountain-biking anywhere near Portland are quickly approaching zero. Between this and the fact that there's literally nowhere for a small family to live anywhere close to the downtown core for under $400k, I'm about to give up on Portland. Bike City USA indeed.

TS

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:03 AM, via OBRA wrote:

If you are interested in continuing to ride at Scappoose trails..........as of July 1, 2015 you will need a permit. You had better decide and act on info below.
I understand the North Side permits are already sold out (not to riders if you can believe it), but some additional South Side permits (some already sold earlier) will be issued today. I understand that for a mere $50 dollars you can purchase an individual permit to ride (if available and you get one) from July 1 – December 31. Not sure what happens after Dec. 31.
I guess if you ride there a lot, you might want to get on board if you can get one of the permits. They were sold out yesterday, but more might be available today. Remember this is for South Side. After July 1, 2015 the North Side will not be open for riding as I understand. The company is moving to Permit and Lease use only. I have no idea how this will be enforced, but assume they will do what is necessary. Site below to purchase permit.

Andy - thought you said they were going to sell more on Thursday morning?

Ron - you buy them here: https://www.wyrecreationnw.com/Permits/PropertyPage_NorthwestOR.aspx

Even though I do not care for this process, I urge people who apply to be on best behavior so Mtn. Bikers are perceived in good light by landowners. I sure wish BLM owned this property.
Thanks to Andy of NWTA for letting us know about the change, even though it was last minute.

ron

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J Bravard

2015-06-24

As much as I agree that in light of its treatment of MTBers, Portland's claim as a leading bike city is a joke, this one can't be pinned on the city. This one is on the landowner, Weyerhaeuser.

It does, however, make a stronger case for all of us getting involved in developing MTB trails on public lands.

> On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Thom Schoenborn via OBRA wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Well that's just delightful. Maybe I'll take up fly-fishing or Cheeto-eating since options for mountain-biking anywhere near Portland are quickly approaching zero. Between this and the fact that there's literally nowhere for a small family to live anywhere close to the downtown core for under $400k, I'm about to give up on Portland. Bike City USA indeed.
>
> TS
>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:03 AM, via OBRA wrote:
>> If you are interested in continuing to ride at Scappoose trails..........as of July 1, 2015 you will need a permit. You had better decide and act on info below.
>> I understand the North Side permits are already sold out (not to riders if you can believe it), but some additional South Side permits (some already sold earlier) will be issued today. I understand that for a mere $50 dollars you can purchase an individual permit to ride (if available and you get one) from July 1 – December 31. Not sure what happens after Dec. 31.
>> I guess if you ride there a lot, you might want to get on board if you can get one of the permits. They were sold out yesterday, but more might be available today. Remember this is for South Side. After July 1, 2015 the North Side will not be open for riding as I understand. The company is moving to Permit and Lease use only. I have no idea how this will be enforced, but assume they will do what is necessary. Site below to purchase permit.
>>
>> Andy - thought you said they were going to sell more on Thursday morning?
>>
>> Ron - you buy them here: https://www.wyrecreationnw.com/Permits/PropertyPage_NorthwestOR.aspx
>>
>>
>> Even though I do not care for this process, I urge people who apply to be on best behavior so Mtn. Bikers are perceived in good light by landowners. I sure wish BLM owned this property.
>> Thanks to Andy of NWTA for letting us know about the change, even though it was last minute.
>>
>> ron
>>
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Thom Schoenborn

2015-06-24

...

Well that's just delightful. Maybe I'll take up fly-fishing or
Cheeto-eating since options for mountain-biking anywhere near Portland are
quickly approaching zero. Between this and the fact that there's literally
nowhere for a small family to live anywhere close to the downtown core for
under $400k, I'm about to give up on Portland. Bike City USA indeed.

TS

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:03 AM, via OBRA wrote:

> *If you are interested in continuing to ride at Scappoose
> trails..........as of July 1, 2015 you will need a permit. You had better
> decide and act on info below.*
> I understand the North Side permits are already sold out (not to riders if
> you can believe it), but some additional *South Side permits* (some
> already sold earlier) will be issued today. *I understand that for a mere
> $50 dollars you can purchase an individual permit to ride* (if available
> and you get one)* from July 1 – December 31. * Not sure what happens
> after Dec. 31.
> I guess if you ride there a lot, you might want to get on board if you can
> get one of the permits. They were sold out yesterday, but more might be
> available today. Remember this is for South Side. *After July 1, 2015
> the North Side will not be open for riding* as I understand. The company
> is moving to Permit and Lease use only. I have no idea how this will be
> enforced, but assume they will do what is necessary. Site below to
> purchase permit.
>
> Andy - thought you said they were going to sell more on Thursday morning?
>
> Ron - you buy them here:
> https://www.wyrecreationnw.com/Permits/PropertyPage_NorthwestOR.aspx
>
>
> *Even though I do not care for this process, I urge people who apply to be
> on best behavior so Mtn. Bikers are perceived in good light by landowners.
> I sure wish BLM owned this property.*
> Thanks to Andy of NWTA for letting us know about the change, even though
> it was last minute.
>
> *ron*
>
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rond..@spiritone.com

2015-06-24

If you are interested in continuing to ride at Scappoose trails..........as of July 1, 2015 you will need a permit. You had better decide and act on info below.
I understand the North Side permits are already sold out (not to riders if you can believe it), but some additional South Side permits (some already sold earlier) will be issued today. I understand that for a mere $50 dollars you can purchase an individual permit to ride (if available and you get one) from July 1 – December 31. Not sure what happens after Dec. 31.
I guess if you ride there a lot, you might want to get on board if you can get one of the permits. They were sold out yesterday, but more might be available today. Remember this is for South Side. After July 1, 2015 the North Side will not be open for riding as I understand. The company is moving to Permit and Lease use only. I have no idea how this will be enforced, but assume they will do what is necessary. Site below to purchase permit.

Andy - thought you said they were going to sell more on Thursday morning?

Ron - you buy them here: https://www.wyrecreationnw.com/Permits/PropertyPage_NorthwestOR.aspx

Even though I do not care for this process, I urge people who apply to be on best behavior so Mtn. Bikers are perceived in good light by landowners. I sure wish BLM owned this property.
Thanks to Andy of NWTA for letting us know about the change, even though it was last minute.

ron