Mike

So what I'm hearing is:

3:15 start time = beer number???

craig austin

I would pay to watch Ron race.

Craig

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:26 PM, via OBRA wrote:

> I know. When the 50+ raced with the beginners that was the case.
> Pristine course. Time to find the good lines available. Warm up on the
> actual course and even have a nice p. pott “after” the race. And I hated
> missing NASCAR!
> But so many of the old people just could not deal with the early start
> that we got moved to late morning (still miss Nassy!). Now it is sleep in,
> brunch and then get to course to snag a super fine parking slot from
> someone who left early to get home for NASCAR. Then we had to race with
> the Juniors! Now that was special. Some of us thought they were OK to
> race with, while others were convinced the combo was a crime. Hey! Maybe
> the 50+ / 60+ crowd should race Last? Without the Master Bs. It is just
> so lame having to overtake the slow dudes. So many races. So many people
> in my way. Is this the first sicko heckling of the season?
> I also think the 60+ should get PAID for getting their butts out there and
> racing. Give up some of that bootie “A”s!
> ron [image: Smile]
>
> *From:* Greg Eyerly via OBRA
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 3:45 PM
> *To:* Martin Baker ; Mike Murray
>
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule
>
> Actually, the Beginners have it best.
> 1) they get to pre-ride because the course is open right before they start
> racing so they are warm-up and recon at the same time killing two birds
> with one stone. Who need rollers?
> 2) the course is typically in the best shape it will be in all day.
> 3) they can sit back and enjoy the rest of their day watching, drinking
> and eating, or heck, be home before noon and catch the NASCAR race.
> 4) the porta-potties are still clean, empty, with no lines!
>
> I should have stayed a Beginner!
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Martin Baker via OBRA
> Date:08/28/2015 3:32 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Mike Murray
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule
>
> When the schedule had the A race at the end of the day, it was the case
> that everyone packed up, consumed the rest of the beer, and ate the last of
> the wursts while we were racing. So, it's not a case of disrespecting the
> ss/B racers, it's just what happens during the final race of the day. But
> yes, it did kind of suck.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Mike Murray via OBRA
> wrote:
>
> This schedule change if a prototypical rule 27a issue.
>
> Mike Murray
> Sent from mobile device
>
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 22:18, via OBRA wrote:
>
> “You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the
> people all of the time.”
> I think this is a GREAT WAY to start Cross Season. Some people already
> have something to WHINE about. Hey. Just don’t mess with my race
> time....you, you...promoters!
> Honestly. I agree with Craig. One of the best “shows” was the early
> afternoon SS and B race with all sorts of games played to decide which
> group would start first................my favorite was the raw egg
> toss/catch at the Astoria Crusade one year. I hope everyone makes a
> positive transition to the change. When you have been around as long as
> me....hell – who am I kidding, as long as Einar...you know change is
> inevitable! Just ride when the official blows the whistle.
> ronnie
>
> *From:* craig austin via OBRA
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:18 PM
> *To:* John
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule
>
> Personally, I think this is great news and I hope all the races return to
> the old schedule (A's and Elites last). You should have your showcase
> events at the end of the day, not somewhere in the middle. Moving the A
> race earlier in the day has, I think, been a huge negative for three
> groups: the women, B's and SS racers. Spectators pull up stakes and leave
> once the big name men are done racing, which is a shame when the women are
> out there racing their butts off while people are packing up their tents.
> And the B and Singlespeed fields have often been racing to an empty
> grandstand, so to speak, since they were bumped to the end of the day.
>
> Very happy about this change.
>
> I hope the other races will take note.
>
> Craig
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM, John via OBRA
> wrote:
>
>> Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the
>> B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on
>> Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
>> Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as
>> last year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be
>> for all races?
>> John
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rond..@spiritone.com

I know. When the 50+ raced with the beginners that was the case. Pristine course. Time to find the good lines available. Warm up on the actual course and even have a nice p. pott “after” the race. And I hated missing NASCAR!
But so many of the old people just could not deal with the early start that we got moved to late morning (still miss Nassy!). Now it is sleep in, brunch and then get to course to snag a super fine parking slot from someone who left early to get home for NASCAR. Then we had to race with the Juniors! Now that was special. Some of us thought they were OK to race with, while others were convinced the combo was a crime. Hey! Maybe the 50+ / 60+ crowd should race Last? Without the Master Bs. It is just so lame having to overtake the slow dudes. So many races. So many people in my way. Is this the first sicko heckling of the season?
I also think the 60+ should get PAID for getting their butts out there and racing. Give up some of that bootie “A”s!
ron

From: Greg Eyerly via OBRA
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:45 PM
To: Martin Baker ; Mike Murray
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule

Actually, the Beginners have it best.
1) they get to pre-ride because the course is open right before they start racing so they are warm-up and recon at the same time killing two birds with one stone. Who need rollers?
2) the course is typically in the best shape it will be in all day.
3) they can sit back and enjoy the rest of their day watching, drinking and eating, or heck, be home before noon and catch the NASCAR race.
4) the porta-potties are still clean, empty, with no lines!

I should have stayed a Beginner!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Baker via OBRA
Date:08/28/2015 3:32 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Mike Murray
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule

When the schedule had the A race at the end of the day, it was the case that everyone packed up, consumed the rest of the beer, and ate the last of the wursts while we were racing. So, it's not a case of disrespecting the ss/B racers, it's just what happens during the final race of the day. But yes, it did kind of suck.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Mike Murray via OBRA wrote:

This schedule change if a prototypical rule 27a issue.

Mike Murray
Sent from mobile device

On Aug 27, 2015, at 22:18, via OBRA wrote:

“You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.”
I think this is a GREAT WAY to start Cross Season. Some people already have something to WHINE about. Hey. Just don’t mess with my race time....you, you...promoters!
Honestly. I agree with Craig. One of the best “shows” was the early afternoon SS and B race with all sorts of games played to decide which group would start first................my favorite was the raw egg toss/catch at the Astoria Crusade one year. I hope everyone makes a positive transition to the change. When you have been around as long as me....hell – who am I kidding, as long as Einar...you know change is inevitable! Just ride when the official blows the whistle.
ronnie

From: craig austin via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:18 PM
To: John
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule

Personally, I think this is great news and I hope all the races return to the old schedule (A's and Elites last). You should have your showcase events at the end of the day, not somewhere in the middle. Moving the A race earlier in the day has, I think, been a huge negative for three groups: the women, B's and SS racers. Spectators pull up stakes and leave once the big name men are done racing, which is a shame when the women are out there racing their butts off while people are packing up their tents. And the B and Singlespeed fields have often been racing to an empty grandstand, so to speak, since they were bumped to the end of the day.

Very happy about this change.

I hope the other races will take note.

Craig

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM, John via OBRA wrote:

Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as last year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be for all races?
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Greg Eyerly

Actually, the Beginners have it best.
1) they get to pre-ride because the course is open right before they start racing so they are warm-up and recon at the same time killing two birds with one stone. Who need rollers?
2) the course is typically in the best shape it will be in all day.
3) they can sit back and enjoy the rest of their day watching, drinking and eating, or heck, be home before noon and catch the NASCAR race.
4) the porta-potties are still clean, empty, with no lines!

I should have stayed a Beginner!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Baker via OBRA
Date:08/28/2015 3:32 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Mike Murray
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule

When the schedule had the A race at the end of the day, it was the case that everyone packed up, consumed the rest of the beer, and ate the last of the wursts while we were racing. So, it's not a case of disrespecting the ss/B racers, it's just what happens during the final race of the day. But yes, it did kind of suck.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Mike Murray via OBRA > wrote:

This schedule change if a prototypical rule 27a issue.

Mike Murray
Sent from mobile device

On Aug 27, 2015, at 22:18, via OBRA > wrote:

"You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time."
I think this is a GREAT WAY to start Cross Season. Some people already have something to WHINE about. Hey. Just don't mess with my race time....you, you...promoters!
Honestly. I agree with Craig. One of the best "shows" was the early afternoon SS and B race with all sorts of games played to decide which group would start first................my favorite was the raw egg toss/catch at the Astoria Crusade one year. I hope everyone makes a positive transition to the change. When you have been around as long as me....hell - who am I kidding, as long as Einar...you know change is inevitable! Just ride when the official blows the whistle.
ronnie

From: craig austin via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:18 PM
To: John
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule

Personally, I think this is great news and I hope all the races return to the old schedule (A's and Elites last). You should have your showcase events at the end of the day, not somewhere in the middle. Moving the A race earlier in the day has, I think, been a huge negative for three groups: the women, B's and SS racers. Spectators pull up stakes and leave once the big name men are done racing, which is a shame when the women are out there racing their butts off while people are packing up their tents. And the B and Singlespeed fields have often been racing to an empty grandstand, so to speak, since they were bumped to the end of the day.

Very happy about this change.

I hope the other races will take note.

Craig

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM, John via OBRA > wrote:
Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as last year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be for all races?
John
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Martin Baker

When the schedule had the A race at the end of the day, it was the case that everyone packed up, consumed the rest of the beer, and ate the last of the wursts while we were racing. So, it's not a case of disrespecting the ss/B racers, it's just what happens during the final race of the day. But yes, it did kind of suck.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Mike Murray via OBRA wrote:
>
> This schedule change if a prototypical rule 27a issue.
>
> Mike Murray
> Sent from mobile device
>
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 22:18, via OBRA wrote:
>>
>> “You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.”
>> I think this is a GREAT WAY to start Cross Season. Some people already have something to WHINE about. Hey. Just don’t mess with my race time....you, you...promoters!
>> Honestly. I agree with Craig. One of the best “shows” was the early afternoon SS and B race with all sorts of games played to decide which group would start first................my favorite was the raw egg toss/catch at the Astoria Crusade one year. I hope everyone makes a positive transition to the change. When you have been around as long as me....hell – who am I kidding, as long as Einar...you know change is inevitable! Just ride when the official blows the whistle.
>> ronnie
>>
>> From: craig austin via OBRA
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:18 PM
>> To: John
>> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule
>>
>> Personally, I think this is great news and I hope all the races return to the old schedule (A's and Elites last). You should have your showcase events at the end of the day, not somewhere in the middle. Moving the A race earlier in the day has, I think, been a huge negative for three groups: the women, B's and SS racers. Spectators pull up stakes and leave once the big name men are done racing, which is a shame when the women are out there racing their butts off while people are packing up their tents. And the B and Singlespeed fields have often been racing to an empty grandstand, so to speak, since they were bumped to the end of the day.
>>
>> Very happy about this change.
>>
>> I hope the other races will take note.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM, John via OBRA wrote:
>>> Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
>>> Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as last year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be for all races?
>>> John
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Mike Murray

This schedule change if a prototypical rule 27a issue.

Mike Murray
Sent from mobile device

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 22:18, via OBRA wrote:
>
> “You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.”
> I think this is a GREAT WAY to start Cross Season. Some people already have something to WHINE about. Hey. Just don’t mess with my race time....you, you...promoters!
> Honestly. I agree with Craig. One of the best “shows” was the early afternoon SS and B race with all sorts of games played to decide which group would start first................my favorite was the raw egg toss/catch at the Astoria Crusade one year. I hope everyone makes a positive transition to the change. When you have been around as long as me....hell – who am I kidding, as long as Einar...you know change is inevitable! Just ride when the official blows the whistle.
> ronnie
>
> From: craig austin via OBRA
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:18 PM
> To: John
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule
>
> Personally, I think this is great news and I hope all the races return to the old schedule (A's and Elites last). You should have your showcase events at the end of the day, not somewhere in the middle. Moving the A race earlier in the day has, I think, been a huge negative for three groups: the women, B's and SS racers. Spectators pull up stakes and leave once the big name men are done racing, which is a shame when the women are out there racing their butts off while people are packing up their tents. And the B and Singlespeed fields have often been racing to an empty grandstand, so to speak, since they were bumped to the end of the day.
>
> Very happy about this change.
>
> I hope the other races will take note.
>
> Craig
>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM, John via OBRA wrote:
>> Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
>> Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as last year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be for all races?
>> John
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rond..@spiritone.com

“You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.”
I think this is a GREAT WAY to start Cross Season. Some people already have something to WHINE about. Hey. Just don’t mess with my race time....you, you...promoters!
Honestly. I agree with Craig. One of the best “shows” was the early afternoon SS and B race with all sorts of games played to decide which group would start first................my favorite was the raw egg toss/catch at the Astoria Crusade one year. I hope everyone makes a positive transition to the change. When you have been around as long as me....hell – who am I kidding, as long as Einar...you know change is inevitable! Just ride when the official blows the whistle.
ronnie

From: craig austin via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:18 PM
To: John
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule

Personally, I think this is great news and I hope all the races return to the old schedule (A's and Elites last). You should have your showcase events at the end of the day, not somewhere in the middle. Moving the A race earlier in the day has, I think, been a huge negative for three groups: the women, B's and SS racers. Spectators pull up stakes and leave once the big name men are done racing, which is a shame when the women are out there racing their butts off while people are packing up their tents. And the B and Singlespeed fields have often been racing to an empty grandstand, so to speak, since they were bumped to the end of the day.

Very happy about this change.

I hope the other races will take note.

Craig

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM, John via OBRA wrote:

Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as last year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be for all races?
John
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Say it ain't so

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Mistr Solo via OBRA wrote:
>
> Brilliant change! We can only hope that the other race organizers take note and do the same. Thank you for doing this Zone5!
>
>
>
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:37, John via OBRA wrote:
>>
>> Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
>> Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as last year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be for all races?
>> John
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Mistr Solo

Brilliant change! We can only hope that the other race organizers take note and do the same. Thank you for doing this Zone5!

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:37, John via OBRA wrote:
>
> Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
> Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as last year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be for all races?
> John
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Robert Jackson

I support the change after racing SS for two years and watching the entire
field of spectators packing and leaving while I race. Not to mention it
allows a better time slot for women's SS.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Mathew Braun via OBRA
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> No no, stick with last year’s schedule. Why the constant changing?
>
> No offense Mr. Witty.
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> Old Skool 'cross!
>
>
>
> I think the new (old) schedule is exciting news! It'll make for a
> fantastic race day atmosphere.
>
>
>
> The old school schedule harkens back to the heyday of this year's Grand
> Prix series namesake, Rhonda Mazza, too! How cool is that?
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> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:18 PM, craig austin via OBRA
> wrote:
>
> Personally, I think this is great news and I hope all the races return to
> the old schedule (A's and Elites last). You should have your showcase
> events at the end of the day, not somewhere in the middle. Moving the A
> race earlier in the day has, I think, been a huge negative for three
> groups: the women, B's and SS racers. Spectators pull up stakes and leave
> once the big name men are done racing, which is a shame when the women are
> out there racing their butts off while people are packing up their tents.
> And the B and Singlespeed fields have often been racing to an empty
> grandstand, so to speak, since they were bumped to the end of the day.
>
> Very happy about this change.
>
>
> I hope the other races will take note.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM, John via OBRA
> wrote:
>
> Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the
> B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on
> Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
> Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as last
> year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be for
> all races?
> John
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No no, stick with last year’s schedule. Why the constant changing?
No offense Mr. Witty.

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From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Brian Witty via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Weekend cross race schedule

Old Skool 'cross!

I think the new (old) schedule is exciting news! It'll make for a fantastic race day atmosphere.

The old school schedule harkens back to the heyday of this year's Grand Prix series namesake, Rhonda Mazza, too! How cool is that?

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:18 PM, craig austin via OBRA > wrote:
Personally, I think this is great news and I hope all the races return to the old schedule (A's and Elites last). You should have your showcase events at the end of the day, not somewhere in the middle. Moving the A race earlier in the day has, I think, been a huge negative for three groups: the women, B's and SS racers. Spectators pull up stakes and leave once the big name men are done racing, which is a shame when the women are out there racing their butts off while people are packing up their tents. And the B and Singlespeed fields have often been racing to an empty grandstand, so to speak, since they were bumped to the end of the day.
Very happy about this change.

I hope the other races will take note.
Craig

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM, John via OBRA > wrote:
Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as last year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be for all races?
John
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Old Skool 'cross!

I think the new (old) schedule is exciting news! It'll make for a
fantastic race day atmosphere.

The old school schedule harkens back to the heyday of this year's Grand
Prix series namesake, Rhonda Mazza, too! How cool is that?

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:18 PM, craig austin via OBRA
wrote:

> Personally, I think this is great news and I hope all the races return to
> the old schedule (A's and Elites last). You should have your showcase
> events at the end of the day, not somewhere in the middle. Moving the A
> race earlier in the day has, I think, been a huge negative for three
> groups: the women, B's and SS racers. Spectators pull up stakes and leave
> once the big name men are done racing, which is a shame when the women are
> out there racing their butts off while people are packing up their tents.
> And the B and Singlespeed fields have often been racing to an empty
> grandstand, so to speak, since they were bumped to the end of the day.
>
> Very happy about this change.
>
> I hope the other races will take note.
>
> Craig
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM, John via OBRA
> wrote:
>
>> Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the
>> B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on
>> Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
>> Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as
>> last year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be
>> for all races?
>> John
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craig austin

Personally, I think this is great news and I hope all the races return to
the old schedule (A's and Elites last). You should have your showcase
events at the end of the day, not somewhere in the middle. Moving the A
race earlier in the day has, I think, been a huge negative for three
groups: the women, B's and SS racers. Spectators pull up stakes and leave
once the big name men are done racing, which is a shame when the women are
out there racing their butts off while people are packing up their tents.
And the B and Singlespeed fields have often been racing to an empty
grandstand, so to speak, since they were bumped to the end of the day.

Very happy about this change.

I hope the other races will take note.

Craig

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:37 PM, John via OBRA wrote:

> Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the
> B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on
> Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
> Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as last
> year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be for
> all races?
> John
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John

Looking through the schedule, I saw that the Zaaldercross flyer has the B/SS and A start times swapped from last year. This is confirmed on Facebook, and looks like it will be that way for the whole series?
Will Cross Crusade and other promoters stay with the same schedule as last year (ie A race at 1 and B/SS at 3:15), or will the schedule change be for all races?
John