Monday night racing ettiqutte

Marek Litinsky

2016-05-10

Just to be clear. The slower moving fields are routinely (7 out of 10?) used as a road furniture to be used in attempts of getting away from the main pack. It's unfortunate but unless this exact act will be banned, punishable and enforceable I don't see change in the near future. I could feel one way or another about it but ever since some of us actually race bikes out there I will keep trying to hold on wheels of people attacking at any point of the race. Again, I don't condone it but it happens way too often to just let people in your race go.

There's also other side of the coin though. On the highways, with cars moving at high speeds without any racing allowed its deemed highly unsafe to pass way too slowly moving vehicles. Yet it's perfectly fine to allow groups of bike racers to attempt to pass at various speeds all the time without much regulations or limits in our races. The much slower moving fields should take a part in the responsibility for safety of us all. This is not traffic/commute situation when passing vehicle bears responsibility for safe passing. If it would be traffic-like situation you wouldn't be there.

It's the race where people don't think straight. Again unfortunate but that's reality.

> On May 10, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Scott Jones via OBRA wrote:
>
> This is NOT a new occurrence. It has been happening for years. It really seems like the guys just don't care to move over even a few feet and safely pass others, all while making them feel comfortable on the race course. It's not like this is a narrow 1 lane road and passing is difficult.
>
> Come on guys, just move over already.
>
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>> On May 10, 2016 11:07 AM, "Hazel via OBRA" wrote:
>> So, every Monday Jordan gives the men's field the same speech about passing the women's fields respectfully and safely. Every week this doesn't happen. PIR is a wide open course with plenty of space for safe passing. Our fields are never more then 20 people. Yet for some reason, almost every time our fields are overtaken it is done super close and often with men cutting right in front of us. We've even been run off the course in the past. We are racing too and we deserve respect and courtesy from the other fields out there, we're not road furniture to be used as a racing tactic. There has been a lot of work put into growing the women's racing fields but when people get shoulder checked out there, there's a good chance they won't come back. I want to thank all the guys who have spoken up and tried to call out people in their fields that are not passing safely.
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Scott Jones

2016-05-10

This is NOT a new occurrence. It has been happening for years. It really
seems like the guys just don't care to move over even a few feet and safely
pass others, all while making them feel comfortable on the race course.
It's not like this is a narrow 1 lane road and passing is difficult.

Come on guys, just move over already.

Scott

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On May 10, 2016 11:07 AM, "Hazel via OBRA" wrote:

> So, every Monday Jordan gives the men's field the same speech about
> passing the women's fields respectfully and safely. Every week this doesn't
> happen. PIR is a wide open course with plenty of space for safe passing.
> Our fields are never more then 20 people. Yet for some reason, almost every
> time our fields are overtaken it is done super close and often with men
> cutting right in front of us. We've even been run off the course in the
> past. We are racing too and we deserve respect and courtesy from the other
> fields out there, we're not road furniture to be used as a racing tactic.
> There has been a lot of work put into growing the women's racing fields but
> when people get shoulder checked out there, there's a good chance they
> won't come back. I want to thank all the guys who have spoken up and tried
> to call out people in their fields that are not passing safely.
>
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I do not know why anyone is surprised with this since this is exactly what
happens on organized rides (RACC, Monster Cookie etc) from groups of riders
in local team jerseys/kit. Just because you feel confident it does not mean
all those you are riding past are confident or cognizant of you.

I would think when you're all on the road you expect the traffic passing
you gives you 4 feet, why are all people whether they are other riders or
race mates not extended the same courtesy?

John

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On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:19 PM, jon.ragsdale via OBRA
wrote:

>
> I thought about writing this same email from the view inside of the field.
> There is zero reason the head is the pack can't move farther over when
> overtaking the field. When passing that close if somebody flinched a lot
> of people are going to her personal with the pavement
>
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> Date: 5/10/16 10:50 AM (GMT-08:00)
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Monday night racing ettiqutte
>
> So, every Monday Jordan gives the men's field the same speech about
> passing the women's fields respectfully and safely. Every week this doesn't
> happen. PIR is a wide open course with plenty of space for safe passing.
> Our fields are never more then 20 people. Yet for some reason, almost every
> time our fields are overtaken it is done super close and often with men
> cutting right in front of us. We've even been run off the course in the
> past. We are racing too and we deserve respect and courtesy from the other
> fields out there, we're not road furniture to be used as a racing tactic.
> There has been a lot of work put into growing the women's racing fields but
> when people get shoulder checked out there, there's a good chance they
> won't come back. I want to thank all the guys who have spoken up and tried
> to call out people in their fields that are not passing safely.
>
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stevea.long

2016-05-10

Dollars for doughnuts this an issue of the first few guys in the field thinking they have left enough room and then coming back over in front of the over-taken field. Here's what happens:
Guys in front come over and guys following and maybe struggling to maintain the wheels in front come over immediately shortening the space between the passing field and those being passed. The longer the train of passing riders, the closer the passing field gets to the women.

Here's what needs to happen, the passing field needs to wait twice as long as they are waiting before coming back over. If approached with the men's field in this manner, I bet it gets better.

Steve Long

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Monday night racing ettiqutte

So, every Monday Jordan gives the men's field the same speech about passing the women's fields respectfully and safely. Every week this doesn't happen. PIR is a wide open course with plenty of space for safe passing. Our fields are never more then 20 people. Yet for some reason, almost every time our fields are overtaken it is done super close and often with men cutting right in front of us. We've even been run off the course in the past. We are racing too and we deserve respect and courtesy from the other fields out there, we're not road furniture to be used as a racing tactic. There has been a lot of work put into growing the women's racing fields but when people get shoulder checked out there, there's a good chance they won't come back. I want to thank all the guys who have spoken up and tried to call out people in their fields that are not passing safely.

jon.ragsdale

2016-05-10

I thought about writing this same email from the view inside of the field. There is zero reason the head is the pack can't move farther over when overtaking the field.  When passing that close if somebody flinched a lot of people are going to her personal with the pavement

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-------- Original message --------From: Hazel via OBRA Date: 5/10/16 10:50 AM (GMT-08:00) To: obra@list.obra.org Subject: [OBRA Chat] Monday night racing ettiqutte
So, every Monday Jordan gives the men's field the same speech about passing the women's fields respectfully and safely. Every week this doesn't happen. PIR is a wide open course with plenty of space for safe passing. Our fields are never more then 20 people. Yet for some reason, almost every time our fields are overtaken it is done super close and often with men cutting right in front of us. We've even been run off the course in the past. We are racing too and we deserve respect and courtesy from the other fields out there, we're not road furniture to be used as a racing tactic. There has been a lot of work put into growing the women's racing fields but when people get shoulder checked out there, there's a good chance they won't come back. I want to thank all the guys who have spoken up and tried to call out people in their fields that are not passing safely.


John Wilger

2016-05-10

+1

Look, guys, it just doesn't take that much effort to be respectful and SAFE
on that track. In particular, when you are in the front of the pack, make
sure you give a lot more time than you think you need before moving back
over after passing another field. The rest of the pack is going to fall in
behind you at about the same point *on the road*, but since the other field
is also moving forward, that point needs to be a lot farther out than it
would for a stationary object. I don't think (and certainly hope) that none
of us are doing this on purpose, of course, but we need to *actively* avoid
it, too. Obviously there are inherent dangers in bike racing, and crashes
will happen no matter what we do, but being more concerned with winning (or
even just hanging on in my case!) than with the safety of everyone else on
the track is shitty; we're all better than that.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Hazel via OBRA wrote:

> So, every Monday Jordan gives the men's field the same speech about
> passing the women's fields respectfully and safely. Every week this doesn't
> happen. PIR is a wide open course with plenty of space for safe passing.
> Our fields are never more then 20 people. Yet for some reason, almost every
> time our fields are overtaken it is done super close and often with men
> cutting right in front of us. We've even been run off the course in the
> past. We are racing too and we deserve respect and courtesy from the other
> fields out there, we're not road furniture to be used as a racing tactic.
> There has been a lot of work put into growing the women's racing fields but
> when people get shoulder checked out there, there's a good chance they
> won't come back. I want to thank all the guys who have spoken up and tried
> to call out people in their fields that are not passing safely.
>
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Hazel

2016-05-10

So, every Monday Jordan gives the men's field the same speech about passing
the women's fields respectfully and safely. Every week this doesn't happen.
PIR is a wide open course with plenty of space for safe passing. Our fields
are never more then 20 people. Yet for some reason, almost every time our
fields are overtaken it is done super close and often with men cutting
right in front of us. We've even been run off the course in the past. We
are racing too and we deserve respect and courtesy from the other fields
out there, we're not road furniture to be used as a racing tactic. There
has been a lot of work put into growing the women's racing fields but when
people get shoulder checked out there, there's a good chance they won't
come back. I want to thank all the guys who have spoken up and tried to
call out people in their fields that are not passing safely.