Steve Westberg

I agree that the fastest should go last to keep people around - it was great hanging out after my races were over.

My only hope was to swap two race times - the 3/4/5 Juniors and the Master 3/50+. Puts a time gap in so that the Master 3/50+ have a time gap between their race and the 3/Singlespeed race. I don't see too many 3/4/5 Junior men signing up for the singlespeed race. Leaves the fast folk going end of the day to keep folks interested, doesn't redo composition of groups...

And to quantify - if you look at Alpenrose and PIR weekends for 2015 over 10% of the Master B/50+ racers also raced in the B/SS race. If there is a shorter time gap between the two races I bet more will race a second race. But not back to back

rond..@spiritone.com
August 10, 2016 at 6:49 PM Reply
My cat. race time has changed three times over the years. Promoters and OBRA usually change the times to keep the field size of each timeslot balanced. As the cat. numbers go up or down ( 50+ has grown a great deal), this can require moving groups to maintain the best balance. It is never perfect, but they have always attempted to design the best schedule. I just show up and race at the time posted. I do agree with Craig that having the ���top bill��� racers go at the end of the day is one of the things that encourages people to hang around, watch more races, meet other racers / families and support vendors.
ron

rond..@spiritone.com

My cat. race time has changed three times over the years. Promoters and OBRA usually change the times to keep the field size of each timeslot balanced. As the cat. numbers go up or down ( 50+ has grown a great deal), this can require moving groups to maintain the best balance. It is never perfect, but they have always attempted to design the best schedule. I just show up and race at the time posted. I do agree with Craig that having the “top bill” racers go at the end of the day is one of the things that encourages people to hang around, watch more races, meet other racers / families and support vendors.
ron

From: craig austin via OBRA
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:23 PM
To: M White
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Why change the schedule?

Define "a lot of us." I'm betting just as many would like to race singlespeed as a warmup/course recon for their "real" race.

I wholeheartedly agree with this schedule change (which brings it back to the way it used to be). Fastest races (and racers) of the day need to be the main event, and the last races. Headliners go last, in music and sport.

The last few years (with the Cat A men and women racing at 1:00) have seen very sparse spectators by the end of the day, and everyone packing up the tents as soon as the 2:00 womens group started racing. (In many cases they had to dodge people rolling tents through the course to go home -- how rude is that?) By the time the Cat B and SS race started at 3, we were racing in empty fields with no one to cheer.

Thanks to the promoters for righting this wrong!

Craig Austin

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:35 PM, M White via OBRA wrote:

I concur. It's important for a lot of us to race singlespeed last as a second race.
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M White

Good points. I'll adapt.

Steve Westberg

What I threw out in my other post was to swap the Junior 3/4/5 races with the Master 3/50+ races. Not going back to last year's schedule.

craig austin

Define "a lot of us." I'm betting just as many would like to race
singlespeed as a warmup/course recon for their "real" race.

I wholeheartedly agree with this schedule change (which brings it back to
the way it used to be). Fastest races (and racers) of the day need to be
the main event, and the last races. Headliners go last, in music and sport.

The last few years (with the Cat A men and women racing at 1:00) have seen
very sparse spectators by the end of the day, and everyone packing up the
tents as soon as the 2:00 womens group started racing. (In many cases they
had to dodge people rolling tents through the course to go home -- how rude
is that?) By the time the Cat B and SS race started at 3, we were racing in
empty fields with no one to cheer.

Thanks to the promoters for righting this wrong!

Craig Austin

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:35 PM, M White via OBRA
wrote:

> I concur. It's important for a lot of us to race singlespeed last as a
> second race.
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M White

I concur. It's important for a lot of us to race singlespeed last as a second race.