Please explain...

William Hahn

2016-09-19

I personally am really into this discussion, I think it highlights some
real issues the OBRA community is facing: How do we involve cat. 6 in bike
racing, how are we going to keep racing bikes when the race calendar
becomes slimmer every year, how do we raise awareness about bikes in
general, how do we reinvigorate our culture. So prepare yourself for a
lengthy response -

Every idea listed so far is how we need to proceed promoting bike racing -
there is no one way to reach people and there is no one group of people
we're targeting. There are so many different types of races and categories
(and you know I'm talking about bmx and cat. 6 right now), everyone is a
potential bike racer in some capacity, plain and simple. The idea that
paper ads with sick designs is a dead platform is ridiculous and spits in
the face of the efforts of Cavalia (any relatives you haven't considered
seeing Cavalia with?) and artists in general; for every 1 paper ad you
make, you'll have to make 3 tweets, have 10 retweets...(obviously you've
seen the video of the Oregonian staff being fired and restructured Marek,
but my Sister's works for advertising at WW and that would be an easy way
to reach people, they put the ad in print, they automatically tweet it and
send out digital media email ads to "subscribers," among other things; I
only read the Mercury personally). Which in no way discounts the
accessibility of the online community, because obviously everybody's mom
has a facebook. The issue is when OBRA pages are missing, or you see on the
Bone Crusher facebook that there's a movie and goldsprints at Velocult on
Saturday, but there's no time listed in that ad and the Velocult website
has nothing on their event schedule so you simply find something else to do
that's a bit more obvious and you never end up meeting a chiller that takes
you on a ride that kicks your ass, tells jokes to you the whole time and
fills you with a sense that you could do it that easily too if you just
rode your bike more often. All these ideas are great and this string is
evidence that there is a community of people out there who are willing to
fill in the gaps of missing promotion if we simply knew how we could help.

As far as race promotion, my own experience is that when I began contacting
race promoters to understand the process and set up a race for the NW
Collegiate Conference in Portland for PSU, I was met with a lot of
opposition within the community. Most of the time I was told it was a time
sink, impossible and prohibitively expensive between fees to rent courses,
insurance and closing down streets with Police (I spent a year trying to
start a discussion and got nowhere). This is a serious problem and it seems
like awareness of the process is interceding with the community addressing
it. Perhaps the directors and race promoters are jaded with the glory days
of bike racing, but keeping the general processes of how race promotion and
event management has historically occurred hidden from easy access and
trying to dissuade interested community members feels non-inclusive (and
our 'club' is endemic with this attitude at every level) and prevents the
process from evolving to continue to function effectively and meet the
cycling community's need.

How I became involved was someone in a kit slowed down and had a
spontaneous conversation with me and said I was fast enough to race (7
years later, thanks nameless hero, that was a critical bit of
encouragement). Later my girlfriend at the time set me up on a friend date
with Jon McCoy, who took me up Saltzman and commented that at least I was
faster up the hill in sneakers and cotton shorts than the fat lawyers
bursting out of their obviously expensive outfits, poorly pedaling
Pinarello's (and how cool is Saltzman since you can ride your bike and
entirely forget about the impending death offered by every car that comes
within your fleshy body's safety bubble). A year after that I raced for the
first time during the collegiate season. It wasn't the one thing that
brought me in, it was a little of my own interest, a lot of encouragement
from the community and several subsequent events. Our sport is prohibitive
because it's expensive and filled with people who take themselves and their
'club' way too seriously. Considering all the Cat. 6 racers Portland has,
the Merckx category should be $2 to race, 70 deep and filled with beach
cruisers, fixies and retro steel frames. Instead those people feel
alienated from us, the Merckx category is some weird joke idea that only
exists in my head, and that's a real issue.

I believe all these issues are tied together: opening up the culture,
making everything a bit more transparent and everyone encouraging each
other is what is going to build the sport and the community. With increased
awareness about the culture, we can start to deal with the larger issues
facing our community, which is that our playgrounds are disappearing, our
toys are too expensive, people driving metal horse carriages are killing us
by slow rolling every stop sign they come across and the local government
doesn't see us as cohesive community who's needs aren't being met (i.e.
where's the single track within city limits, how do we decrease the cost of
renting community spaces for our gatherings, can we decrease speed limits
to reflect the needs of cyclists safety, how do we get the police to be
empathetic when interacting with us about the very real problems of our
expensive bikes being stolen and our bodies being hit by cars, instead of
accusing us of stealing bikes, dismissing our *emotional* attachment to a
complex system of metal triangles and circles and not even taking a police
report when someone commits attempted murder with a deadly weapon, a car).

I'm personally interested in designing a course on defensive riding in
Portland: I think it would be cool to get a bunch of go-pro footage of the
stupid shit cars do that nearly kills us every time and make an interesting
video of tips for riding Portland's uniquely bike accessible streets (my
portfolio of making videos is small, but speaks for itself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDUU2RT5CuE). I think it would be a good
idea to reach out to Nike and the Biketown team and have some ambassadors
from the OBRA community work jointly to go out to events and company's to
promote riding safely in Portland and maybe offering group lunch rides. I'm
also into making posters, I have a background in illustration and a 500
page print limit every semester that doesn't get used. I'd be more than
willing to work with 5 different promoter/idea haver's to produce 100
copies of a poster and post them around town for them every semester for
free. I am also into the idea of promoting a regular ride that's a cross
between the Ronde De Portland, the Lucky Lab Pub crawl and pedalpalooza,
getting people onto different cool routes they didn't consider riding
before and drawing in a crowd of leisurely Sunday riders to ride more
cohesively as a group and draft potential racers into the community. I'd
totally be willing to put whoever in touch with my sister at the WW and
work with them to promote the OBRA calendar in any capacity.


rond..@spiritone.com

2016-09-18

Lisa / all,
If social media is SO WONDERFUL at reaching pretty much
everyone................what about the world cx ss champs that are taking
place right here in our state of OR again? Yes it is listed on the OBRA
calendar, but there was NO INFORMATION about it on the site. I asked some
racers and was told the men's field was already closed. I was told "Ron.
You just need to get on Facebook". Yeah really reaches everybody right. In
the end....it is just one mode of communication. Maybe it is the future,
but at present it does not reach everyone. What reaches people without
electronic devices? Those poor souls. I wonder if they are even WORTH
reaching. Are they too low life? No. I think not. I think some of them
might be way more in touch with the meaning of life than many of us with
access...myself included.
ron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Wilger via OBRA
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:01 PM
To: Michael Richardson
Cc: Obra Chat ; Adam A
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

Cue the mic-drop. :-)

Regards,
John Wilger | +1 (971) 678-0999 | http://johnwilger.com

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Michael Richardson via OBRA
> wrote:
>
> ��������
>
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:49 AM, via OBRA wrote:
>>
>> No Lisa...
>>
>> My so-called 'ignorant response' was sent tongue-in-cheek at you as a
>> private joke.
>> If you want to get digs in honey, I have spent more time in the saddle,
>> more time
>> in the pack, more time promoting events then you have lived.
>>
>> I have dealt with 'how to promote events' ranging from doing print
>> adverts,
>> TV/Radio interviews and visiting every damn bicycle shop in the PDX Metro
>> area
>> to get the word out. I have racked my brains along with those of my
>> teammates to
>> determine how to reach the targeted audience. Sal is asking salient
>> points that
>> you seem incapable of answering.
>>
>> So before YOU cast the stone of ignorant response, perhaps you should
>> show US your
>> knowledge and answer Sal's question. Until then, your response doesnt
>> show us much
>> at all.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2016-09-18 10:28, Salvatore Collura wrote:
>>> "Social Media" as a direction IS vague. Who are you trying to reach,
>>> and what are you trying to tell them? That's still the question.
>>> -sal
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Lisa Eriksson
>>> wrote:
>>>> Well Joe C had an ignorant response to using Social Media which I'm
>>>> sure he actually meant to reply-all with, but you'll find it
>>>> included below.
>>>> Such a valiant keyboard-warrior shan't go unheard by the masses...
>>>> As far as social media being "vague", I'll argue that while "the
>>>> Internets" is a vast and vague direction, Social Media really only
>>>> encompasses Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and sure, Snap Chat for
>>>> you extra in-tune people. And you'd be happy to learn that social
>>>> media reaches far more than just the established bike race crowd,
>>>> (who indeed are already looking for the information), including said
>>>> Triathlete and cross country running high-schooler that spends more
>>>> time with their heads buried in their smart phones than listening to
>>>> anyone with...a flyer.
>>>> What I meant was, we should follow the trends of marketing, social
>>>> media currently being one of the most powerful ways of reaching
>>>> people with new ideas and products, and it's free! We just need to
>>>> catch on, and perhaps up our social media presence, creating that
>>>> "hype" so needed for a successful event.
>>>> #Cycling #Bikeracing :)
>>>> Lisa
>>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:12 PM, wrote:
>>>> Oh sure...
>>>> Invite all of the hipsters with their PBR-filled bottles
>>>> to race on their retro 'fixey' bikes.
>>>> Joe
>>>> On 2016-09-16 11:33, Lisa Eriksson via OBRA wrote:
>>>> Social Media.
>>>> The one location you will reach non-bike racers (i.e potential
>>>> beginners) and racers alike.
>>>> Videos, pictures and engaging material, as seen excellently
>>>> demonstrated recently by the crew of Bone Machine Crit by using
>>>> Facebook and Instagram.
>>>> Also, it's free.
>>>> Lisa
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John Wilger

2016-09-18

Cue the mic-drop. :-)

Regards,
John Wilger | +1 (971) 678-0999 | http://johnwilger.com

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Michael Richardson via OBRA wrote:
>
> ��������
>
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:49 AM, via OBRA wrote:
>>
>> No Lisa...
>>
>> My so-called 'ignorant response' was sent tongue-in-cheek at you as a private joke.
>> If you want to get digs in honey, I have spent more time in the saddle, more time
>> in the pack, more time promoting events then you have lived.
>>
>> I have dealt with 'how to promote events' ranging from doing print adverts,
>> TV/Radio interviews and visiting every damn bicycle shop in the PDX Metro area
>> to get the word out. I have racked my brains along with those of my teammates to
>> determine how to reach the targeted audience. Sal is asking salient points that
>> you seem incapable of answering.
>>
>> So before YOU cast the stone of ignorant response, perhaps you should show US your
>> knowledge and answer Sal's question. Until then, your response doesnt show us much
>> at all.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2016-09-18 10:28, Salvatore Collura wrote:
>>> "Social Media" as a direction IS vague. Who are you trying to reach,
>>> and what are you trying to tell them? That's still the question.
>>> -sal
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Lisa Eriksson
>>> wrote:
>>>> Well Joe C had an ignorant response to using Social Media which I'm
>>>> sure he actually meant to reply-all with, but you'll find it
>>>> included below.
>>>> Such a valiant keyboard-warrior shan't go unheard by the masses...
>>>> As far as social media being "vague", I'll argue that while "the
>>>> Internets" is a vast and vague direction, Social Media really only
>>>> encompasses Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and sure, Snap Chat for
>>>> you extra in-tune people. And you'd be happy to learn that social
>>>> media reaches far more than just the established bike race crowd,
>>>> (who indeed are already looking for the information), including said
>>>> Triathlete and cross country running high-schooler that spends more
>>>> time with their heads buried in their smart phones than listening to
>>>> anyone with...a flyer.
>>>> What I meant was, we should follow the trends of marketing, social
>>>> media currently being one of the most powerful ways of reaching
>>>> people with new ideas and products, and it's free! We just need to
>>>> catch on, and perhaps up our social media presence, creating that
>>>> "hype" so needed for a successful event.
>>>> #Cycling #Bikeracing :)
>>>> Lisa
>>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:12 PM, wrote:
>>>> Oh sure...
>>>> Invite all of the hipsters with their PBR-filled bottles
>>>> to race on their retro 'fixey' bikes.
>>>> Joe
>>>> On 2016-09-16 11:33, Lisa Eriksson via OBRA wrote:
>>>> Social Media.
>>>> The one location you will reach non-bike racers (i.e potential
>>>> beginners) and racers alike.
>>>> Videos, pictures and engaging material, as seen excellently
>>>> demonstrated recently by the crew of Bone Machine Crit by using
>>>> Facebook and Instagram.
>>>> Also, it's free.
>>>> Lisa
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Michael Richardson

2016-09-18

��������

Mike
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:49 AM, via OBRA wrote:
>
> No Lisa...
>
> My so-called 'ignorant response' was sent tongue-in-cheek at you as a private joke.
> If you want to get digs in honey, I have spent more time in the saddle, more time
> in the pack, more time promoting events then you have lived.
>
> I have dealt with 'how to promote events' ranging from doing print adverts,
> TV/Radio interviews and visiting every damn bicycle shop in the PDX Metro area
> to get the word out. I have racked my brains along with those of my teammates to
> determine how to reach the targeted audience. Sal is asking salient points that
> you seem incapable of answering.
>
> So before YOU cast the stone of ignorant response, perhaps you should show US your
> knowledge and answer Sal's question. Until then, your response doesnt show us much
> at all.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>> On 2016-09-18 10:28, Salvatore Collura wrote:
>> "Social Media" as a direction IS vague. Who are you trying to reach,
>> and what are you trying to tell them? That's still the question.
>> -sal
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Lisa Eriksson
>> wrote:
>>> Well Joe C had an ignorant response to using Social Media which I'm
>>> sure he actually meant to reply-all with, but you'll find it
>>> included below.
>>> Such a valiant keyboard-warrior shan't go unheard by the masses...
>>> As far as social media being "vague", I'll argue that while "the
>>> Internets" is a vast and vague direction, Social Media really only
>>> encompasses Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and sure, Snap Chat for
>>> you extra in-tune people. And you'd be happy to learn that social
>>> media reaches far more than just the established bike race crowd,
>>> (who indeed are already looking for the information), including said
>>> Triathlete and cross country running high-schooler that spends more
>>> time with their heads buried in their smart phones than listening to
>>> anyone with...a flyer.
>>> What I meant was, we should follow the trends of marketing, social
>>> media currently being one of the most powerful ways of reaching
>>> people with new ideas and products, and it's free! We just need to
>>> catch on, and perhaps up our social media presence, creating that
>>> "hype" so needed for a successful event.
>>> #Cycling #Bikeracing :)
>>> Lisa
>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:12 PM, wrote:
>>> Oh sure...
>>> Invite all of the hipsters with their PBR-filled bottles
>>> to race on their retro 'fixey' bikes.
>>> Joe
>>> On 2016-09-16 11:33, Lisa Eriksson via OBRA wrote:
>>> Social Media.
>>> The one location you will reach non-bike racers (i.e potential
>>> beginners) and racers alike.
>>> Videos, pictures and engaging material, as seen excellently
>>> demonstrated recently by the crew of Bone Machine Crit by using
>>> Facebook and Instagram.
>>> Also, it's free.
>>> Lisa
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jo..@aracnet.com

2016-09-18

No Lisa...

My so-called 'ignorant response' was sent tongue-in-cheek at you as a
private joke.
If you want to get digs in honey, I have spent more time in the saddle,
more time
in the pack, more time promoting events then you have lived.

I have dealt with 'how to promote events' ranging from doing print
adverts,
TV/Radio interviews and visiting every damn bicycle shop in the PDX
Metro area
to get the word out. I have racked my brains along with those of my
teammates to
determine how to reach the targeted audience. Sal is asking salient
points that
you seem incapable of answering.

So before YOU cast the stone of ignorant response, perhaps you should
show US your
knowledge and answer Sal's question. Until then, your response doesnt
show us much
at all.

Regards,

Joe

On 2016-09-18 10:28, Salvatore Collura wrote:
> "Social Media" as a direction IS vague. Who are you trying to reach,
> and what are you trying to tell them? That's still the question.
>
> -sal
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Lisa Eriksson
> wrote:
>
>> Well Joe C had an ignorant response to using Social Media which I'm
>> sure he actually meant to reply-all with, but you'll find it
>> included below.
>> Such a valiant keyboard-warrior shan't go unheard by the masses...
>>
>> As far as social media being "vague", I'll argue that while "the
>> Internets" is a vast and vague direction, Social Media really only
>> encompasses Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and sure, Snap Chat for
>> you extra in-tune people. And you'd be happy to learn that social
>> media reaches far more than just the established bike race crowd,
>> (who indeed are already looking for the information), including said
>> Triathlete and cross country running high-schooler that spends more
>> time with their heads buried in their smart phones than listening to
>> anyone with...a flyer.
>> What I meant was, we should follow the trends of marketing, social
>> media currently being one of the most powerful ways of reaching
>> people with new ideas and products, and it's free! We just need to
>> catch on, and perhaps up our social media presence, creating that
>> "hype" so needed for a successful event.
>> #Cycling #Bikeracing :)
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:12 PM, wrote:
>> Oh sure...
>>
>> Invite all of the hipsters with their PBR-filled bottles
>> to race on their retro 'fixey' bikes.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On 2016-09-16 11:33, Lisa Eriksson via OBRA wrote:
>>
>> Social Media.
>> The one location you will reach non-bike racers (i.e potential
>> beginners) and racers alike.
>> Videos, pictures and engaging material, as seen excellently
>> demonstrated recently by the crew of Bone Machine Crit by using
>> Facebook and Instagram.
>> Also, it's free.
>>
>> Lisa


Salvatore Collura

2016-09-18

"Social Media" as a direction IS vague. Who are you trying to reach, and what are you trying to tell them? That's still the question.

-sal

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Lisa Eriksson > wrote:

Well Joe C had an ignorant response to using Social Media which I'm sure he actually meant to reply-all with, but you'll find it included below.
Such a valiant keyboard-warrior shan't go unheard by the masses...

As far as social media being "vague", I'll argue that while "the Internets" is a vast and vague direction, Social Media really only encompasses Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and sure, Snap Chat for you extra in-tune people. And you'd be happy to learn that social media reaches far more than just the established bike race crowd, (who indeed are already looking for the information), including said Triathlete and cross country running high-schooler that spends more time with their heads buried in their smart phones than listening to anyone with...a flyer.
What I meant was, we should follow the trends of marketing, social media currently being one of the most powerful ways of reaching people with new ideas and products, and it's free! We just need to catch on, and perhaps up our social media presence, creating that "hype" so needed for a successful event.
#Cycling #Bikeracing :)

Lisa

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:12 PM, > wrote:
Oh sure...

Invite all of the hipsters with their PBR-filled bottles
to race on their retro 'fixey' bikes.

Joe

On 2016-09-16 11:33, Lisa Eriksson via OBRA wrote:
Social Media.
The one location you will reach non-bike racers (i.e potential
beginners) and racers alike.
Videos, pictures and engaging material, as seen excellently
demonstrated recently by the crew of Bone Machine Crit by using
Facebook and Instagram.
Also, it's free.

Lisa


Lisa Eriksson

2016-09-18

Well Joe C had an ignorant response to using Social Media which I'm sure he
actually meant to reply-all with, but you'll find it included below.
Such a valiant keyboard-warrior shan't go unheard by the masses...

As far as social media being "vague", I'll argue that while "the Internets"
is a vast and vague direction, Social Media really only encompasses
Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and sure, Snap Chat for you extra in-tune
people. And you'd be happy to learn that social media reaches far more than
just the established bike race crowd, (who indeed are already looking for
the information), including said Triathlete and cross country running
high-schooler that spends more time with their heads buried in their smart
phones than listening to anyone with...a flyer.
What I meant was, we should follow the trends of marketing, social media
currently being one of the most powerful ways of reaching people with new
ideas and products, and it's free! We just need to catch on, and perhaps up
our social media presence, creating that "hype" so needed for a successful
event.
#Cycling #Bikeracing :)

Lisa

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:12 PM, wrote:

> Oh sure...
>
> Invite all of the hipsters with their PBR-filled bottles
> to race on their retro 'fixey' bikes.
>
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 2016-09-16 11:33, Lisa Eriksson via OBRA wrote:
>
>> Social Media.
>> The one location you will reach non-bike racers (i.e potential
>> beginners) and racers alike.
>> Videos, pictures and engaging material, as seen excellently
>> demonstrated recently by the crew of Bone Machine Crit by using
>> Facebook and Instagram.
>> Also, it's free.
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>>


rond..@spiritone.com

2016-09-17

Actually from my reading these posts, there are many good ideas. Bike
Portland would be good for folks with general bike interests. The TV idea
in bike shops is really cool (the equivalent of an ad for your bike race or
for OBRA!), social media as per what works for people who might use it, but
flyers and posters can be good in some of these physical spaces like fitness
shops, schools (from grade - university) etc. There are posting sites in
those places. Most of the shops in the Portland area have spaces for
postings.
Sal is right about what I was talking about. I think anybody out there that
gets information (however) about a specific race or general racing is a
potential participant (customer for promoters). I ride because I have been
riding for decades, I "race" because I have fun doing it and have made some
great friends in the process. If a promotional piece (no matter the type of
medium) get someone involved in racing, it is good for OBRA, but most
important a good healthy choice for that individual.
In my opinion it is best to show a newbie how much fun racing can be by
being inclusive, friendly, and supportive without over preaching or being
snooty about the sport. New racers may sometimes be wild and crazy or timid
at first, but if they get into it, may become top class competitors for
years.
Thanks all for discussing and thinking about outreach.
ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Salvatore Collura via OBRA
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 6:30 PM
To: Adam Angert ; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

I never implied I was for the poster idea. In fact, I stated that I hadn't
heard a good solution yet.
I feel confident speaking on the subject of race promotion in Oregon, as
I've done it 524 times.
My point about "social media" is that just putting something on there does
not guarantee that the people you want to see it are indeed seeing it. Just
like any other advertising, you need to figure out who you are talking to,
and what you want them to hear. FIRST. Before you even decide on the format.

-sal

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Adam Angert via OBRA
> wrote:
>
> I imagine "social media" does seem fairly vague if you have no idea how to
> use it, or what it is.
> You think you're going to attract that HS runner who's never heard of CX
> with a poster? Seriously? It's time to embrace new forms of communication.
> Candi is spot-on. Promoters have stopped actually promoting races. They
> put a flyer on the OBRA calendar and call it good. If you don't put forth
> the effort to make people feel wanted, they'll move on to something else.
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Salvatore Collura

2016-09-17

I never implied I was for the poster idea. In fact, I stated that I hadn't heard a good solution yet.
I feel confident speaking on the subject of race promotion in Oregon, as I've done it 524 times.
My point about "social media" is that just putting something on there does not guarantee that the people you want to see it are indeed seeing it. Just like any other advertising, you need to figure out who you are talking to, and what you want them to hear. FIRST. Before you even decide on the format.

-sal

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Adam Angert via OBRA wrote:
>
> I imagine "social media" does seem fairly vague if you have no idea how to use it, or what it is.
> You think you're going to attract that HS runner who's never heard of CX with a poster? Seriously? It's time to embrace new forms of communication.
> Candi is spot-on. Promoters have stopped actually promoting races. They put a flyer on the OBRA calendar and call it good. If you don't put forth the effort to make people feel wanted, they'll move on to something else.
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Adam Angert

2016-09-17

I imagine "social media" does seem fairly vague if you have no idea how to use it, or what it is.
You think you're going to attract that HS runner who's never heard of CX with a poster? Seriously? It's time to embrace new forms of communication.
Candi is spot-on. Promoters have stopped actually promoting races. They put a flyer on the OBRA calendar and call it good. If you don't put forth the effort to make people feel wanted, they'll move on to something else.


Jonathan Maus

2016-09-16

I know a local blog that a very large and diverse (in terms of bike
interests) audience. The guy that runs it is pretty nice and is willing to
work with local organizations who are doing the right things ;-).

Seriously. We'd love to do more promotion of races on BikePortland. We
can't cover everything but do our best to offer recaps/photos and we can
definitely get events listed on our calendar -- which we also tweet and
feature on our site. I just hired an Events Manager specifically so we can
do an even better job promoting local stuff.

Get in touch!

Jonathan at BikePortland.org.
503-706-8804

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:51 PM Marek Litinsky via OBRA
wrote:

> How about OBRA paid online advertising account with some "mainstream" site
> such as Willamette weekly, Mercury or God forbid The Oregonian rotating any
> and all ad banners for upcoming OBRA races including all sponsors logos
> etc. ?Might be incentive for potential sponsors i.e. local bike businesses
> and who knows maybe even reach out to somebody who never lurks on OBRA chat
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Salvatore Collura via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>
> "Social Media" is fairly vague. We're not talking about marketing an event
> to an audience that is already looking for it. We're talking about reaching
> some triathlete who has never tried a Road Race, or some Cross Country
> runner in HS that has never even heard of Cyclocross. These people won't be
> checking bike racing sites.
>
> -sal
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Lisa Eriksson
> wrote:
>
> Social Media.
> The one location you will reach non-bike racers (i.e potential beginners)
> and racers alike.
> Videos, pictures and engaging material, as seen excellently demonstrated
> recently by the crew of Bone Machine Crit by using Facebook and Instagram.
> Also, it's free.
>
>
> Lisa
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Salvatore Collura via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm gonna speak for Ron here and say that he doesn't care what the method
>> is, he's just asking about outreach. No one has suggested a great solution.
>>
>> -sal
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Rick Johnson via OBRA
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well sure Ron, those 60's poster illustrators were not working regular
>> jobs and smoking lots of weed.
>>
>> What was old is new again...
>>
>> On 9/16/2016 7:37 AM, rondot@spiritone.com wrote:
>>
>> Rick, Jon..........all
>> yeah people throw stuff like Jon out and some posters are not going to
>> create more clear cuts somewhere....but this just shows me how some in the
>> bike racing world do not care at all if people who have never thought of
>> racing see information about it and maybe give it a go. an app does not
>> put it in a public place where people’s eyes actually see it (they need to
>> seek it out). electronic devices have their positive points, but do not
>> serve all avenues. so whatever happens with this is what happens. I am
>> old and will die before you know it. my ideas will be gone with me.
>> others like me who think racing should be made accessible are on the fringe
>> of the bike racing world. Thus it only grows (for the most part) through
>> people connected to it already. Beginners do not have to be just the
>> Juniors.
>> Rick you seem to know a lot about the 60s. Was there a ton of free time
>> then to do these posters?
>> ron
>>
>> *From:* Rick Johnson via OBRA
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:41 PM
>> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>>
>>
>> Posters, how quaint. Reminds me of the 60's and free love festivals -
>> with their psychedelic advertisements also done by people with lots of free
>> time - which could only be an in utero memory of course.
>>
>> No, someone should do an app. You know, like having a pocket full of race
>> fliers when you feel the need for speed. So may choices, flip, flip.
>>
>> No need to kill trees and all that.
>>
>> I hear apps are the cool new thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Johnson
>> Bend, Oregon
>>
>> Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
>> One, it's completely impossible.
>> Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
>> Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
>>
>> Arthur C. Clarke
>>
>> On 9/15/2016 9:07 PM, jon.ragsdale via OBRA wrote:
>>
>> Cross Crusade did as well. I dropped off flyers at two Clackamas places
>> and I'm pretty sure the bike shop threw them out
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Salvatore Collura via OBRA mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>>
>> Date: 9/15/16 8:58 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>>
>> I'm pretty sure Jim Anderson tried to do this exact thing, and couldn't
>> get much traction.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:48 PM, via OBRA wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Matt R. and Kevin. Now I know what I might reg. for.
>> I understand Candi. The people doing so much work to put on these races
>> are just amazing. The idea of posters or flyers in bike shops, health
>> clubs is a great idea, but would be an additional cost and time expenditure
>> for promoters. I wonder if there might be some compromise of sort.
>> My connection to OBRA is the site and the races I attend. So for the
>> most part I am pretty well connected. People who might be interested in
>> trying races who are not going to the website do not have the information
>> which might motivate them to give it a go.
>> I wonder if maybe.... a small OBRA fee from promoters might be enough to
>> allow OBRA to print maybe two or three seasonal posters with info on races
>> including contact info. Kind of like looking at the Calendar with a
>> picture on top like the main page of the site. It could be posted in bike
>> shops, 24hr fitness etc. Not trying to make more work for someone, but
>> getting the word out to people other than folks who are already racers
>> would expand participation. If the promoters were left to do it, it
>> probably would hardly ever happen because they usually get enough racers to
>> make it work just with a website and posting on OBRA. Is it up to OBRA to
>> do the promotion on a grander scale? You OBRA folks are already
>> sainted........the promoters are really just nominated for sainthood.
>> Maybe you powerbrokers / promoters can laugh at the idea or discuss it at
>> the promoters meeting. Might be a really bad idea from a small brained
>> ronnie.
>> Next up.............Zaaldercross, Ride Hard Finish Thirsty, KFCX More
>> Cowbell
>>
>> *From:* Candi Murray via OBRA
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:35 PM
>> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>>
>>
>> I did not mean any indictment of a particular race organizer. I have a
>> pet peeve about marketing and publicizing events. I wish more was done. I
>>
>> I’d like to see posters and or flyers in bike shops and health clubs. But
>> generally I think the people doing this job are saints.
>>
>> Candi
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org ]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:45 PM
>> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>> *Subject:* RE: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> In the nicest possibly way to explain this. Some race organizers have
>> gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes in way after
>> the wire. Thank gawd we have race organizers but I have to question the
>> complacency.
>>
>> Candi
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *via OBRA
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20 PM
>> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>>
>>
>>
>> so my simple mind can understand.
>>
>> Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar,
>> registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other
>> information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is
>> “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know.
>> Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to
>> the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.
>>
>> ron
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Marek Litinsky

2016-09-16

How about OBRA paid online advertising account with some "mainstream" site such as Willamette weekly, Mercury or God forbid The Oregonian rotating any and all ad banners for upcoming OBRA races including all sponsors logos etc. ?Might be incentive for potential sponsors i.e. local bike businesses and who knows maybe even reach out to somebody who never lurks on OBRA chat

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Salvatore Collura via OBRA wrote:
>
> "Social Media" is fairly vague. We're not talking about marketing an event to an audience that is already looking for it. We're talking about reaching some triathlete who has never tried a Road Race, or some Cross Country runner in HS that has never even heard of Cyclocross. These people won't be checking bike racing sites.
>
> -sal
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Lisa Eriksson wrote:
>
>> Social Media.
>> The one location you will reach non-bike racers (i.e potential beginners) and racers alike.
>> Videos, pictures and engaging material, as seen excellently demonstrated recently by the crew of Bone Machine Crit by using Facebook and Instagram.
>> Also, it's free.
>>
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Salvatore Collura via OBRA wrote:
>>> I'm gonna speak for Ron here and say that he doesn't care what the method is, he's just asking about outreach. No one has suggested a great solution.
>>>
>>> -sal
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Rick Johnson via OBRA wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well sure Ron, those 60's poster illustrators were not working regular jobs and smoking lots of weed.
>>>> What was old is new again...
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/16/2016 7:37 AM, rondot@spiritone.com wrote:
>>>>> Rick, Jon..........all
>>>>> yeah people throw stuff like Jon out and some posters are not going to create more clear cuts somewhere....but this just shows me how some in the bike racing world do not care at all if people who have never thought of racing see information about it and maybe give it a go. an app does not put it in a public place where people’s eyes actually see it (they need to seek it out). electronic devices have their positive points, but do not serve all avenues. so whatever happens with this is what happens. I am old and will die before you know it. my ideas will be gone with me. others like me who think racing should be made accessible are on the fringe of the bike racing world. Thus it only grows (for the most part) through people connected to it already. Beginners do not have to be just the Juniors.
>>>>> Rick you seem to know a lot about the 60s. Was there a ton of free time then to do these posters?
>>>>> ron
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Rick Johnson via OBRA
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:41 PM
>>>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>>>>>
>>>>> Posters, how quaint. Reminds me of the 60's and free love festivals - with their psychedelic advertisements also done by people with lots of free time - which could only be an in utero memory of course.
>>>>> No, someone should do an app. You know, like having a pocket full of race fliers when you feel the need for speed. So may choices, flip, flip.
>>>>> No need to kill trees and all that.
>>>>> I hear apps are the cool new thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick Johnson
>>>>> Bend, Oregon
>>>>>
>>>>> Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
>>>>> One, it's completely impossible.
>>>>> Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
>>>>> Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arthur C. Clarke
>>>>>> On 9/15/2016 9:07 PM, jon.ragsdale via OBRA wrote:
>>>>>> Cross Crusade did as well. I dropped off flyers at two Clackamas places and I'm pretty sure the bike shop threw them out
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>> From: Salvatore Collura via OBRA mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>>>>>> Date: 9/15/16 8:58 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>>>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>>>>>> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure Jim Anderson tried to do this exact thing, and couldn't get much traction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:48 PM, via OBRA wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Matt R. and Kevin. Now I know what I might reg. for.
>>>>>>> I understand Candi. The people doing so much work to put on these races are just amazing. The idea of posters or flyers in bike shops, health clubs is a great idea, but would be an additional cost and time expenditure for promoters. I wonder if there might be some compromise of sort.
>>>>>>> My connection to OBRA is the site and the races I attend. So for the most part I am pretty well connected. People who might be interested in trying races who are not going to the website do not have the information which might motivate them to give it a go.
>>>>>>> I wonder if maybe.... a small OBRA fee from promoters might be enough to allow OBRA to print maybe two or three seasonal posters with info on races including contact info. Kind of like looking at the Calendar with a picture on top like the main page of the site. It could be posted in bike shops, 24hr fitness etc. Not trying to make more work for someone, but getting the word out to people other than folks who are already racers would expand participation. If the promoters were left to do it, it probably would hardly ever happen because they usually get enough racers to make it work just with a website and posting on OBRA. Is it up to OBRA to do the promotion on a grander scale? You OBRA folks are already sainted........the promoters are really just nominated for sainthood. Maybe you powerbrokers / promoters can laugh at the idea or discuss it at the promoters meeting. Might be a really bad idea from a small brained ronnie.
>>>>>>> Next up.............Zaaldercross, Ride Hard Finish Thirsty, KFCX More Cowbell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Candi Murray via OBRA
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:35 PM
>>>>>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did not mean any indictment of a particular race organizer. I have a pet peeve about marketing and publicizing events. I wish more was done. I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’d like to see posters and or flyers in bike shops and health clubs. But generally I think the people doing this job are saints.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Candi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:45 PM
>>>>>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the nicest possibly way to explain this. Some race organizers have gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes in way after the wire. Thank gawd we have race organizers but I have to question the complacency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Candi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of via OBRA
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20 PM
>>>>>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so my simple mind can understand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar, registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know. Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> OBRA mailing list
>>>>>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>>>>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Salvatore Collura

2016-09-16

"Social Media" is fairly vague. We're not talking about marketing an event to an audience that is already looking for it. We're talking about reaching some triathlete who has never tried a Road Race, or some Cross Country runner in HS that has never even heard of Cyclocross. These people won't be checking bike racing sites.

-sal

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Lisa Eriksson > wrote:

Social Media.
The one location you will reach non-bike racers (i.e potential beginners) and racers alike.
Videos, pictures and engaging material, as seen excellently demonstrated recently by the crew of Bone Machine Crit by using Facebook and Instagram.
Also, it's free.

Lisa

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Salvatore Collura via OBRA > wrote:
I'm gonna speak for Ron here and say that he doesn't care what the method is, he's just asking about outreach. No one has suggested a great solution.

-sal

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Rick Johnson via OBRA > wrote:

Well sure Ron, those 60's poster illustrators were not working regular jobs and smoking lots of weed.

What was old is new again...

On 9/16/2016 7:37 AM, rondot@spiritone.com wrote:
Rick, Jon..........all
yeah people throw stuff like Jon out and some posters are not going to create more clear cuts somewhere....but this just shows me how some in the bike racing world do not care at all if people who have never thought of racing see information about it and maybe give it a go. an app does not put it in a public place where people’s eyes actually see it (they need to seek it out). electronic devices have their positive points, but do not serve all avenues. so whatever happens with this is what happens. I am old and will die before you know it. my ideas will be gone with me. others like me who think racing should be made accessible are on the fringe of the bike racing world. Thus it only grows (for the most part) through people connected to it already. Beginners do not have to be just the Juniors.
Rick you seem to know a lot about the 60s. Was there a ton of free time then to do these posters?
ron

From: Rick Johnson via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:41 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

Posters, how quaint. Reminds me of the 60's and free love festivals - with their psychedelic advertisements also done by people with lots of free time - which could only be an in utero memory of course.

No, someone should do an app. You know, like having a pocket full of race fliers when you feel the need for speed. So may choices, flip, flip.

No need to kill trees and all that.

I hear apps are the cool new thing.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke

On 9/15/2016 9:07 PM, jon.ragsdale via OBRA wrote:
Cross Crusade did as well. I dropped off flyers at two Clackamas places and I'm pretty sure the bike shop threw them out

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original message --------
From: Salvatore Collura via OBRA mailto:obra@list.obra.org
Date: 9/15/16 8:58 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: rondot@spiritone.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

I'm pretty sure Jim Anderson tried to do this exact thing, and couldn't get much traction.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:48 PM, via OBRA > wrote:

Thanks Matt R. and Kevin. Now I know what I might reg. for.
I understand Candi. The people doing so much work to put on these races are just amazing. The idea of posters or flyers in bike shops, health clubs is a great idea, but would be an additional cost and time expenditure for promoters. I wonder if there might be some compromise of sort.
My connection to OBRA is the site and the races I attend. So for the most part I am pretty well connected. People who might be interested in trying races who are not going to the website do not have the information which might motivate them to give it a go.
I wonder if maybe.... a small OBRA fee from promoters might be enough to allow OBRA to print maybe two or three seasonal posters with info on races including contact info. Kind of like looking at the Calendar with a picture on top like the main page of the site. It could be posted in bike shops, 24hr fitness etc. Not trying to make more work for someone, but getting the word out to people other than folks who are already racers would expand participation. If the promoters were left to do it, it probably would hardly ever happen because they usually get enough racers to make it work just with a website and posting on OBRA. Is it up to OBRA to do the promotion on a grander scale? You OBRA folks are already sainted........the promoters are really just nominated for sainthood. Maybe you powerbrokers / promoters can laugh at the idea or discuss it at the promoters meeting. Might be a really bad idea from a small brained ronnie.
Next up.............Zaaldercross, Ride Hard Finish Thirsty, KFCX More Cowbell

From: Candi Murray via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:35 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

I did not mean any indictment of a particular race organizer. I have a pet peeve about marketing and publicizing events. I wish more was done. I
I’d like to see posters and or flyers in bike shops and health clubs. But generally I think the people doing this job are saints.
Candi

From: Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:45 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

Ron
In the nicest possibly way to explain this. Some race organizers have gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes in way after the wire. Thank gawd we have race organizers but I have to question the complacency.
Candi

From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

so my simple mind can understand.
Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar, registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know. Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.
ron
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Lisa Eriksson

2016-09-16

Social Media.
The one location you will reach non-bike racers (i.e potential beginners)
and racers alike.
Videos, pictures and engaging material, as seen excellently demonstrated
recently by the crew of Bone Machine Crit by using Facebook and Instagram.
Also, it's free.

Lisa

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Salvatore Collura via OBRA <
obra@list.obra.org> wrote:

> I'm gonna speak for Ron here and say that he doesn't care what the method
> is, he's just asking about outreach. No one has suggested a great solution.
>
> -sal
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Rick Johnson via OBRA
> wrote:
>
> Well sure Ron, those 60's poster illustrators were not working regular
> jobs and smoking lots of weed.
>
> What was old is new again...
>
> On 9/16/2016 7:37 AM, rondot@spiritone.com wrote:
>
> Rick, Jon..........all
> yeah people throw stuff like Jon out and some posters are not going to
> create more clear cuts somewhere....but this just shows me how some in the
> bike racing world do not care at all if people who have never thought of
> racing see information about it and maybe give it a go. an app does not
> put it in a public place where people’s eyes actually see it (they need to
> seek it out). electronic devices have their positive points, but do not
> serve all avenues. so whatever happens with this is what happens. I am
> old and will die before you know it. my ideas will be gone with me.
> others like me who think racing should be made accessible are on the fringe
> of the bike racing world. Thus it only grows (for the most part) through
> people connected to it already. Beginners do not have to be just the
> Juniors.
> Rick you seem to know a lot about the 60s. Was there a ton of free time
> then to do these posters?
> ron
>
> *From:* Rick Johnson via OBRA
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:41 PM
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>
>
> Posters, how quaint. Reminds me of the 60's and free love festivals - with
> their psychedelic advertisements also done by people with lots of free time
> - which could only be an in utero memory of course.
>
> No, someone should do an app. You know, like having a pocket full of race
> fliers when you feel the need for speed. So may choices, flip, flip.
>
> No need to kill trees and all that.
>
> I hear apps are the cool new thing.
>
>
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
> One, it's completely impossible.
> Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
> Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
>
> Arthur C. Clarke
>
> On 9/15/2016 9:07 PM, jon.ragsdale via OBRA wrote:
>
> Cross Crusade did as well. I dropped off flyers at two Clackamas places
> and I'm pretty sure the bike shop threw them out
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Salvatore Collura via OBRA mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>
> Date: 9/15/16 8:58 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: rondot@spiritone.com
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>
> I'm pretty sure Jim Anderson tried to do this exact thing, and couldn't
> get much traction.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:48 PM, via OBRA wrote:
>
> Thanks Matt R. and Kevin. Now I know what I might reg. for.
> I understand Candi. The people doing so much work to put on these races
> are just amazing. The idea of posters or flyers in bike shops, health
> clubs is a great idea, but would be an additional cost and time expenditure
> for promoters. I wonder if there might be some compromise of sort.
> My connection to OBRA is the site and the races I attend. So for the most
> part I am pretty well connected. People who might be interested in trying
> races who are not going to the website do not have the information which
> might motivate them to give it a go.
> I wonder if maybe.... a small OBRA fee from promoters might be enough to
> allow OBRA to print maybe two or three seasonal posters with info on races
> including contact info. Kind of like looking at the Calendar with a
> picture on top like the main page of the site. It could be posted in bike
> shops, 24hr fitness etc. Not trying to make more work for someone, but
> getting the word out to people other than folks who are already racers
> would expand participation. If the promoters were left to do it, it
> probably would hardly ever happen because they usually get enough racers to
> make it work just with a website and posting on OBRA. Is it up to OBRA to
> do the promotion on a grander scale? You OBRA folks are already
> sainted........the promoters are really just nominated for sainthood.
> Maybe you powerbrokers / promoters can laugh at the idea or discuss it at
> the promoters meeting. Might be a really bad idea from a small brained
> ronnie.
> Next up.............Zaaldercross, Ride Hard Finish Thirsty, KFCX More
> Cowbell
>
> *From:* Candi Murray via OBRA
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:35 PM
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>
>
> I did not mean any indictment of a particular race organizer. I have a
> pet peeve about marketing and publicizing events. I wish more was done. I
>
> I’d like to see posters and or flyers in bike shops and health clubs. But
> generally I think the people doing this job are saints.
>
> Candi
>
>
>
> *From:* Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org ]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:45 PM
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* RE: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>
>
>
> Ron
>
> In the nicest possibly way to explain this. Some race organizers have
> gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes in way after
> the wire. Thank gawd we have race organizers but I have to question the
> complacency.
>
> Candi
>
>
>
> *From:* OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *via OBRA
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20 PM
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Please explain...
>
>
>
> so my simple mind can understand.
>
> Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar,
> registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other
> information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is
> “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know.
> Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to
> the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.
>
> ron
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Salvatore Collura

2016-09-16

I'm gonna speak for Ron here and say that he doesn't care what the method is, he's just asking about outreach. No one has suggested a great solution.

-sal

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Rick Johnson via OBRA > wrote:

Well sure Ron, those 60's poster illustrators were not working regular jobs and smoking lots of weed.

What was old is new again...

On 9/16/2016 7:37 AM, rondot@spiritone.com wrote:
Rick, Jon..........all
yeah people throw stuff like Jon out and some posters are not going to create more clear cuts somewhere....but this just shows me how some in the bike racing world do not care at all if people who have never thought of racing see information about it and maybe give it a go. an app does not put it in a public place where people’s eyes actually see it (they need to seek it out). electronic devices have their positive points, but do not serve all avenues. so whatever happens with this is what happens. I am old and will die before you know it. my ideas will be gone with me. others like me who think racing should be made accessible are on the fringe of the bike racing world. Thus it only grows (for the most part) through people connected to it already. Beginners do not have to be just the Juniors.
Rick you seem to know a lot about the 60s. Was there a ton of free time then to do these posters?
ron

From: Rick Johnson via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:41 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

Posters, how quaint. Reminds me of the 60's and free love festivals - with their psychedelic advertisements also done by people with lots of free time - which could only be an in utero memory of course.

No, someone should do an app. You know, like having a pocket full of race fliers when you feel the need for speed. So may choices, flip, flip.

No need to kill trees and all that.

I hear apps are the cool new thing.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke

On 9/15/2016 9:07 PM, jon.ragsdale via OBRA wrote:
Cross Crusade did as well. I dropped off flyers at two Clackamas places and I'm pretty sure the bike shop threw them out

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original message --------
From: Salvatore Collura via OBRA mailto:obra@list.obra.org
Date: 9/15/16 8:58 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: rondot@spiritone.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

I'm pretty sure Jim Anderson tried to do this exact thing, and couldn't get much traction.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:48 PM, via OBRA > wrote:

Thanks Matt R. and Kevin. Now I know what I might reg. for.
I understand Candi. The people doing so much work to put on these races are just amazing. The idea of posters or flyers in bike shops, health clubs is a great idea, but would be an additional cost and time expenditure for promoters. I wonder if there might be some compromise of sort.
My connection to OBRA is the site and the races I attend. So for the most part I am pretty well connected. People who might be interested in trying races who are not going to the website do not have the information which might motivate them to give it a go.
I wonder if maybe.... a small OBRA fee from promoters might be enough to allow OBRA to print maybe two or three seasonal posters with info on races including contact info. Kind of like looking at the Calendar with a picture on top like the main page of the site. It could be posted in bike shops, 24hr fitness etc. Not trying to make more work for someone, but getting the word out to people other than folks who are already racers would expand participation. If the promoters were left to do it, it probably would hardly ever happen because they usually get enough racers to make it work just with a website and posting on OBRA. Is it up to OBRA to do the promotion on a grander scale? You OBRA folks are already sainted........the promoters are really just nominated for sainthood. Maybe you powerbrokers / promoters can laugh at the idea or discuss it at the promoters meeting. Might be a really bad idea from a small brained ronnie.
Next up.............Zaaldercross, Ride Hard Finish Thirsty, KFCX More Cowbell

From: Candi Murray via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:35 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

I did not mean any indictment of a particular race organizer. I have a pet peeve about marketing and publicizing events. I wish more was done. I
I’d like to see posters and or flyers in bike shops and health clubs. But generally I think the people doing this job are saints.
Candi

From: Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:45 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

Ron
In the nicest possibly way to explain this. Some race organizers have gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes in way after the wire. Thank gawd we have race organizers but I have to question the complacency.
Candi

From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

so my simple mind can understand.
Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar, registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know. Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.
ron
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Ok, I'm going to try being serious for a few minutes -


Posters are nostalgic, sure. But in today's retail environment a
bike shop owner isn't going to give up valuable retail space to
clutter their walls with posters and then pay employees to change
and update them. It's not a good use of resources and any benefit
is too indirect.


You've probably all noticed by now that savvy bike shops have TVs
though. They are very efficient for delivering video content
(which of course is all the rage these days) while also creating a
dynamic and exciting vibe in the shop. That helps sell products,
and product sales keep the doors open. If getting people to come
out for bike races helps them sell products then they will have an
interest.


For race promotion to take advantage of that it needs to be easy
for the shop management and complimentary to this modern retail
environment. Figure out a system for promoting races with a
YouTube like video streaming app and you've got something with
real potential.





Rick Johnson

Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke


On 9/16/2016 9:21 AM, Dolan Halbrook
via OBRA wrote:



I think what might work in this situation is to
have a pool of technically-savvy volunteers who are willing to
work directly with promoters to help them learn how to take
advantage of the resources OBRA already has available.�� Teach a
person to fish....




On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:18 AM T. Kenji Sugahara
via OBRA <obra@list.obra.org>
wrote:


We actually
have a CMS system that has been made available to

promoters on industry.obra.org.



Unfortunately, most promoters are not technically savvy.�� We
have made

Catherine available to make flyers at a nominal cost.



We've also streamlined the paperwork process so the necessary

documents can be submitted online.�� We also just implemented
Basecamp

in our operations for collaboration work.



k-



On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Eric Aldinger via OBRA

<obra@list.obra.org> wrote:

> Because promoting is hard.

>

> One solution would be for OBRA to implement an open
source content

> management system on their site, and require promoters to
provide event

> promotional materials on this platform. Not everyone can
make an outstanding

> site like www.crossseries.com.

>

>

> On Sep 15, 2016 3:19 PM, "via OBRA" <obra@list.obra.org> wrote:

>>

>> so my simple mind can understand.

>> Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed
on OBRA calendar,

>> registration becomes available and yet there is no
website or other

>> information available regarding the event?�� The focus
of this inquiry is

>> ���Crosstoberfest���.�� We can register for what and where
we do not know.

>> Thanks to whoever might be able to post information
(about this race) to the

>> list so potential participants might know if they
want to register.

>> ron

>>

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Well sure Ron, those 60's poster illustrators were not working
regular jobs and smoking lots of weed.


What was old is new again...






On 9/16/2016 7:37 AM,
rondot@spiritone.com wrote:






Rick, Jon..........all

yeah people throw stuff like Jon out and some posters are
not going to create more clear cuts somewhere....but this
just shows me how some in the bike racing world do not care
at all if people who have never thought of racing see
information about it and maybe give it a go.�� an app does
not put it in a public place where people���s eyes actually
see it (they need to seek it out).�� electronic devices have
their positive points, but do not serve all avenues.�� so
whatever happens with this is what happens.���� I am old and
will die before you know it.�� my ideas will be gone with
me.�� others like me who think racing should be made
accessible are on the fringe of the bike racing world.�� Thus
it only grows (for the most part) through people connected
to it already.�� Beginners do not have to be just the
Juniors.��

Rick you seem to know a lot about the 60s.�� Was there a
ton of free time then to do these posters?

ron������



��




Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:41 PM



Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...



��



Posters, how quaint. Reminds me of the 60's and free love
festivals - with their psychedelic advertisements also
done by people with lots of free time - which could only
be an in utero memory of course.


No, someone should do an app. You know, like having a
pocket full of race fliers when you feel the need for
speed. So may choices, flip, flip.


No need to kill trees and all that.


I hear apps are the cool new thing.


��


Rick Johnson

Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke


On 9/15/2016 9:07 PM,
jon.ragsdale via OBRA wrote:



Cross Crusade did as well.���� I dropped off flyers at
two Clackamas places and I'm pretty sure the bike shop
threw them out

��

��

��


Sent from my
T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


��


-------- Original message --------

From: Salvatore Collura via OBRA mailto:obra@list.obra.org

Date: 9/15/16 8:58 PM (GMT-08:00)



Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

��


I'm pretty sure Jim Anderson tried to do this exact
thing, and couldn't get much traction.



Sent from my iPhone




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Thanks Matt R. and Kevin.�� Now I know what I
might reg. for.��

I understand Candi.�� The people doing so much
work to put on these races are just amazing.��
The idea of posters or flyers in bike shops,
health clubs is a great idea, but would be an
additional cost and time expenditure for
promoters.�� I wonder if there might be some
compromise of sort.��

My connection to OBRA is the site and the
races I attend.�� So for the most part I am
pretty well connected.�� People who might be
interested in trying races who are not going to
the website do not have the information which
might motivate them to give it a go.����

I wonder if maybe.... a small OBRA fee from
promoters might be enough to allow OBRA to print
maybe two or three seasonal posters with info on
races including contact info.�� Kind of like
looking at the Calendar with a picture on top
like the main page of the site.�� It could be
posted in bike shops, 24hr fitness etc.�� Not
trying to make more work for someone, but
getting the word out to people other than folks
who are already racers would expand
participation.�� If the promoters were left to do
it, it probably would hardly ever happen because
they usually get enough racers to make it work
just with a website and posting on OBRA.�� Is it
up to OBRA to do the promotion on a grander
scale?�� You OBRA folks are already
sainted........the promoters are really just
nominated for sainthood.�� Maybe you powerbrokers
/ promoters can laugh at the idea or discuss it
at the promoters meeting.�� Might be a really bad
idea from a small brained ronnie.

Next up.............Zaaldercross, Ride Hard
Finish Thirsty, KFCX More Cowbell��



��




Sent: Thursday, September 15,
2016 4:35 PM



Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please
explain...



��




I did not mean any
indictment of a particular race
organizer.�� I have a pet peeve about
marketing and publicizing events. I wish
more was done. I


I���d like to see posters
and or flyers in bike shops and health
clubs. But generally I think the people
doing this job are saints.


Candi


��




From:
Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]


Sent: Thursday, September 15,
2016 3:45 PM

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Please
explain...




��


Ron


In the nicest possibly way
to explain this. Some race organizers have
gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance
but many times comes in way after the
wire. Thank gawd we have race organizers
but I have to question the complacency.


Candi


��




From:
OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On Behalf Of via OBRA

Sent: Thursday, September 15,
2016 3:20 PM

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Please
explain...




��





so my simple mind can
understand.




Why does it occur now
and then that a race is placed on
OBRA calendar, registration becomes
available and yet there is no
website or other information
available regarding the event?�� The
focus of this inquiry is
���Crosstoberfest���.�� We can register
for what and where we do not know.��
Thanks to whoever might be able to
post information (about this race)
to the list so potential
participants might know if they want
to register.




ron








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Dolan Halbrook

2016-09-16

I think what might work in this situation is to have a pool of
technically-savvy volunteers who are willing to work directly with
promoters to help them learn how to take advantage of the resources OBRA
already has available. Teach a person to fish....

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:18 AM T. Kenji Sugahara via OBRA <
obra@list.obra.org> wrote:

> We actually have a CMS system that has been made available to
> promoters on industry.obra.org.
>
> Unfortunately, most promoters are not technically savvy. We have made
> Catherine available to make flyers at a nominal cost.
>
> We've also streamlined the paperwork process so the necessary
> documents can be submitted online. We also just implemented Basecamp
> in our operations for collaboration work.
>
> k-
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Eric Aldinger via OBRA
> wrote:
> > Because promoting is hard.
> >
> > One solution would be for OBRA to implement an open source content
> > management system on their site, and require promoters to provide event
> > promotional materials on this platform. Not everyone can make an
> outstanding
> > site like www.crossseries.com.
> >
> >
> > On Sep 15, 2016 3:19 PM, "via OBRA" wrote:
> >>
> >> so my simple mind can understand.
> >> Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar,
> >> registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other
> >> information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is
> >> “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know.
> >> Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race)
> to the
> >> list so potential participants might know if they want to register.
> >> ron
> >>
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T. Kenji Sugahara

2016-09-16

We actually have a CMS system that has been made available to
promoters on industry.obra.org.

Unfortunately, most promoters are not technically savvy. We have made
Catherine available to make flyers at a nominal cost.

We've also streamlined the paperwork process so the necessary
documents can be submitted online. We also just implemented Basecamp
in our operations for collaboration work.

k-

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Eric Aldinger via OBRA
wrote:
> Because promoting is hard.
>
> One solution would be for OBRA to implement an open source content
> management system on their site, and require promoters to provide event
> promotional materials on this platform. Not everyone can make an outstanding
> site like www.crossseries.com.
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2016 3:19 PM, "via OBRA" wrote:
>>
>> so my simple mind can understand.
>> Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar,
>> registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other
>> information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is
>> ���Crosstoberfest���. We can register for what and where we do not know.
>> Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to the
>> list so potential participants might know if they want to register.
>> ron
>>
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Phone: 503-278-5550
http://www.obra.org


Eric Aldinger

2016-09-16

Because promoting is hard.

One solution would be for OBRA to implement an open source content
management system on their site, and require promoters to provide event
promotional materials on this platform. Not everyone can make an
outstanding site like www.crossseries.com.

On Sep 15, 2016 3:19 PM, "via OBRA" wrote:

> so my simple mind can understand.
> Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar,
> registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other
> information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is
> “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know.
> Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to
> the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.
> ron
>
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rond..@spiritone.com

2016-09-16

Rick, Jon..........all
yeah people throw stuff like Jon out and some posters are not going to create more clear cuts somewhere....but this just shows me how some in the bike racing world do not care at all if people who have never thought of racing see information about it and maybe give it a go. an app does not put it in a public place where people’s eyes actually see it (they need to seek it out). electronic devices have their positive points, but do not serve all avenues. so whatever happens with this is what happens. I am old and will die before you know it. my ideas will be gone with me. others like me who think racing should be made accessible are on the fringe of the bike racing world. Thus it only grows (for the most part) through people connected to it already. Beginners do not have to be just the Juniors.
Rick you seem to know a lot about the 60s. Was there a ton of free time then to do these posters?
ron

From: Rick Johnson via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:41 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

Posters, how quaint. Reminds me of the 60's and free love festivals - with their psychedelic advertisements also done by people with lots of free time - which could only be an in utero memory of course.

No, someone should do an app. You know, like having a pocket full of race fliers when you feel the need for speed. So may choices, flip, flip.

No need to kill trees and all that.

I hear apps are the cool new thing.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. ClarkeOn 9/15/2016 9:07 PM, jon.ragsdale via OBRA wrote:

Cross Crusade did as well. I dropped off flyers at two Clackamas places and I'm pretty sure the bike shop threw them out

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-------- Original message --------
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Date: 9/15/16 8:58 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: rondot@spiritone.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

I'm pretty sure Jim Anderson tried to do this exact thing, and couldn't get much traction.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:48 PM, via OBRA wrote:

Thanks Matt R. and Kevin. Now I know what I might reg. for.
I understand Candi. The people doing so much work to put on these races are just amazing. The idea of posters or flyers in bike shops, health clubs is a great idea, but would be an additional cost and time expenditure for promoters. I wonder if there might be some compromise of sort.
My connection to OBRA is the site and the races I attend. So for the most part I am pretty well connected. People who might be interested in trying races who are not going to the website do not have the information which might motivate them to give it a go.
I wonder if maybe.... a small OBRA fee from promoters might be enough to allow OBRA to print maybe two or three seasonal posters with info on races including contact info. Kind of like looking at the Calendar with a picture on top like the main page of the site. It could be posted in bike shops, 24hr fitness etc. Not trying to make more work for someone, but getting the word out to people other than folks who are already racers would expand participation. If the promoters were left to do it, it probably would hardly ever happen because they usually get enough racers to make it work just with a website and posting on OBRA. Is it up to OBRA to do the promotion on a grander scale? You OBRA folks are already sainted........the promoters are really just nominated for sainthood. Maybe you powerbrokers / promoters can laugh at the idea or discuss it at the promoters meeting. Might be a really bad idea from a small brained ronnie.
Next up.............Zaaldercross, Ride Hard Finish Thirsty, KFCX More Cowbell

From: Candi Murray via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:35 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

I did not mean any indictment of a particular race organizer. I have a pet peeve about marketing and publicizing events. I wish more was done. I

I’d like to see posters and or flyers in bike shops and health clubs. But generally I think the people doing this job are saints.

Candi

From: Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:45 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

Ron

In the nicest possibly way to explain this. Some race organizers have gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes in way after the wire. Thank gawd we have race organizers but I have to question the complacency.

Candi

From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

so my simple mind can understand.

Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar, registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know. Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.

ron

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Posters, how quaint. Reminds me of the 60's and free love
festivals - with their psychedelic advertisements also done by
people with lots of free time - which could only be an in utero
memory of course.


No, someone should do an app. You know, like having a pocket full
of race fliers when you feel the need for speed. So may choices,
flip, flip.


No need to kill trees and all that.


I hear apps are the cool new thing.





Rick Johnson

Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke


On 9/15/2016 9:07 PM, jon.ragsdale via
OBRA wrote:




Cross Crusade did as well. �� I dropped off flyers at two
Clackamas places and I'm pretty sure the bike shop threw them
out














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Date: 9/15/16 8:58 PM (GMT-08:00)



Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...






I'm pretty sure Jim Anderson tried to do this exact thing,
and couldn't get much traction.



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Thanks Matt R. and Kevin.�� Now I know what I might
reg. for.��

I understand Candi.�� The people doing so much work to
put on these races are just amazing.�� The idea of
posters or flyers in bike shops, health clubs is a great
idea, but would be an additional cost and time
expenditure for promoters.�� I wonder if there might be
some compromise of sort.��

My connection to OBRA is the site and the races I
attend.�� So for the most part I am pretty well
connected.�� People who might be interested in trying
races who are not going to the website do not have the
information which might motivate them to give it a go.����

I wonder if maybe.... a small OBRA fee from promoters
might be enough to allow OBRA to print maybe two or
three seasonal posters with info on races including
contact info.�� Kind of like looking at the Calendar with
a picture on top like the main page of the site.�� It
could be posted in bike shops, 24hr fitness etc.�� Not
trying to make more work for someone, but getting the
word out to people other than folks who are already
racers would expand participation.�� If the promoters
were left to do it, it probably would hardly ever happen
because they usually get enough racers to make it work
just with a website and posting on OBRA.�� Is it up to
OBRA to do the promotion on a grander scale?�� You OBRA
folks are already sainted........the promoters are
really just nominated for sainthood.�� Maybe you
powerbrokers / promoters can laugh at the idea or
discuss it at the promoters meeting.�� Might be a really
bad idea from a small brained ronnie.

Next up.............Zaaldercross, Ride Hard Finish
Thirsty, KFCX More Cowbell��



��




Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:35
PM



Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please
explain...



��




I did not mean any indictment of a
particular race organizer.�� I have a pet peeve
about marketing and publicizing events. I wish
more was done. I


I���d like to see posters and or flyers in
bike shops and health clubs. But generally I think
the people doing this job are saints.


Candi


��




From:
Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]


Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:45
PM

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Please
explain...




��


Ron


In the nicest possibly way to explain
this. Some race organizers have gotten lazy.
Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes
in way after the wire. Thank gawd we have race
organizers but I have to question the complacency.


Candi


��




From:
OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On Behalf Of via OBRA

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20
PM

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...




��





so my simple mind can
understand.




Why does it occur now and then
that a race is placed on OBRA calendar,
registration becomes available and yet there
is no website or other information available
regarding the event?�� The focus of this
inquiry is ���Crosstoberfest���.�� We can
register for what and where we do not know.��
Thanks to whoever might be able to post
information (about this race) to the list so
potential participants might know if they
want to register.




ron








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jon.ragsdale

2016-09-16

Cross Crusade did as well.   I dropped off flyers at two Clackamas places and I'm pretty sure the bike shop threw them out

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-------- Original message --------From: Salvatore Collura via OBRA Date: 9/15/16 8:58 PM (GMT-08:00) To: rondot@spiritone.com Cc: obra@list.obra.org Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

I'm pretty sure Jim Anderson tried to do this exact thing, and couldn't get much traction.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:48 PM, via OBRA wrote:

Thanks Matt R. and Kevin.  Now I know what I might reg. for. 
I understand Candi.  The people doing so much work to put on these races are just amazing.  The idea of posters or flyers in bike shops, health clubs is a great idea, but would be an additional cost and time expenditure for promoters.  I wonder if there
might be some compromise of sort. 
My connection to OBRA is the site and the races I attend.  So for the most part I am pretty well connected.  People who might be interested in trying races who are not going to the website do not have the information which might motivate them to give it
a go.  
I wonder if maybe.... a small OBRA fee from promoters might be enough to allow OBRA to print maybe two or three seasonal posters with info on races including contact info.  Kind of like looking at the Calendar with a picture on top like the main page of
the site.  It could be posted in bike shops, 24hr fitness etc.  Not trying to make more work for someone, but getting the word out to people other than folks who are already racers would expand participation.  If the promoters were left to do it, it probably
would hardly ever happen because they usually get enough racers to make it work just with a website and posting on OBRA.  Is it up to OBRA to do the promotion on a grander scale?  You OBRA folks are already sainted........the promoters are really just nominated
for sainthood.  Maybe you powerbrokers / promoters can laugh at the idea or discuss it at the promoters meeting.  Might be a really bad idea from a small brained ronnie.
Next up.............Zaaldercross, Ride Hard Finish Thirsty, KFCX More Cowbell 

 

From:
Candi Murray via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:35 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

 

I did not mean any indictment of a particular race organizer.  I have a pet peeve about marketing and publicizing events. I wish more was done. I
I’d like to see posters and or flyers in bike shops and health clubs. But generally I think the people doing this job are saints.
Candi

 

From: Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:45 PM

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

 
Ron
In the nicest possibly way to explain this. Some race organizers have gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes in way after the wire.
Thank gawd we have race organizers but I have to question the complacency.
Candi
 

From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On Behalf Of via OBRA

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20 PM

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

 

so my simple mind can understand.

Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar, registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other information available regarding the
event?  The focus of this inquiry is “Crosstoberfest”.  We can register for what and where we do not know.  Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.

ron

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Salvatore Collura

2016-09-16

I'm pretty sure Jim Anderson tried to do this exact thing, and couldn't get much traction.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:48 PM, via OBRA > wrote:

Thanks Matt R. and Kevin. Now I know what I might reg. for.
I understand Candi. The people doing so much work to put on these races are just amazing. The idea of posters or flyers in bike shops, health clubs is a great idea, but would be an additional cost and time expenditure for promoters. I wonder if there might be some compromise of sort.
My connection to OBRA is the site and the races I attend. So for the most part I am pretty well connected. People who might be interested in trying races who are not going to the website do not have the information which might motivate them to give it a go.
I wonder if maybe.... a small OBRA fee from promoters might be enough to allow OBRA to print maybe two or three seasonal posters with info on races including contact info. Kind of like looking at the Calendar with a picture on top like the main page of the site. It could be posted in bike shops, 24hr fitness etc. Not trying to make more work for someone, but getting the word out to people other than folks who are already racers would expand participation. If the promoters were left to do it, it probably would hardly ever happen because they usually get enough racers to make it work just with a website and posting on OBRA. Is it up to OBRA to do the promotion on a grander scale? You OBRA folks are already sainted........the promoters are really just nominated for sainthood. Maybe you powerbrokers / promoters can laugh at the idea or discuss it at the promoters meeting. Might be a really bad idea from a small brained ronnie.
Next up.............Zaaldercross, Ride Hard Finish Thirsty, KFCX More Cowbell

From: Candi Murray via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:35 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

I did not mean any indictment of a particular race organizer. I have a pet peeve about marketing and publicizing events. I wish more was done. I
I'd like to see posters and or flyers in bike shops and health clubs. But generally I think the people doing this job are saints.
Candi

From: Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:45 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

Ron
In the nicest possibly way to explain this. Some race organizers have gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes in way after the wire. Thank gawd we have race organizers but I have to question the complacency.
Candi

From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

so my simple mind can understand.
Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar, registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is "Crosstoberfest". We can register for what and where we do not know. Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.
ron

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Thanks Matt R. and Kevin. Now I know what I might reg. for.
I understand Candi. The people doing so much work to put on these races are just amazing. The idea of posters or flyers in bike shops, health clubs is a great idea, but would be an additional cost and time expenditure for promoters. I wonder if there might be some compromise of sort.
My connection to OBRA is the site and the races I attend. So for the most part I am pretty well connected. People who might be interested in trying races who are not going to the website do not have the information which might motivate them to give it a go.
I wonder if maybe.... a small OBRA fee from promoters might be enough to allow OBRA to print maybe two or three seasonal posters with info on races including contact info. Kind of like looking at the Calendar with a picture on top like the main page of the site. It could be posted in bike shops, 24hr fitness etc. Not trying to make more work for someone, but getting the word out to people other than folks who are already racers would expand participation. If the promoters were left to do it, it probably would hardly ever happen because they usually get enough racers to make it work just with a website and posting on OBRA. Is it up to OBRA to do the promotion on a grander scale? You OBRA folks are already sainted........the promoters are really just nominated for sainthood. Maybe you powerbrokers / promoters can laugh at the idea or discuss it at the promoters meeting. Might be a really bad idea from a small brained ronnie.
Next up.............Zaaldercross, Ride Hard Finish Thirsty, KFCX More Cowbell

From: Candi Murray via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:35 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

I did not mean any indictment of a particular race organizer. I have a pet peeve about marketing and publicizing events. I wish more was done. I

I’d like to see posters and or flyers in bike shops and health clubs. But generally I think the people doing this job are saints.

Candi

From: Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:45 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

Ron

In the nicest possibly way to explain this. Some race organizers have gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes in way after the wire. Thank gawd we have race organizers but I have to question the complacency.

Candi

From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

so my simple mind can understand.

Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar, registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know. Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.

ron

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Candi Murray

2016-09-15

I did not mean any indictment of a particular race organizer. I have a pet peeve about marketing and publicizing events. I wish more was done. I

I’d like to see posters and or flyers in bike shops and health clubs. But generally I think the people doing this job are saints.

Candi

From: Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:45 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

Ron

In the nicest possibly way to explain this. Some race organizers have gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes in way after the wire. Thank gawd we have race organizers but I have to question the complacency.

Candi

From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

so my simple mind can understand.

Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar, registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know. Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.

ron


Candi Murray

2016-09-15

Ron

In the nicest possibly way to explain this. Some race organizers have gotten lazy. Paperwork is due in advance but many times comes in way after the wire. Thank gawd we have race organizers but I have to question the complacency.

Candi

From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:20 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Please explain...

so my simple mind can understand.

Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar, registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know. Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.

ron


rond..@spiritone.com

2016-09-15

so my simple mind can understand.
Why does it occur now and then that a race is placed on OBRA calendar, registration becomes available and yet there is no website or other information available regarding the event? The focus of this inquiry is “Crosstoberfest”. We can register for what and where we do not know. Thanks to whoever might be able to post information (about this race) to the list so potential participants might know if they want to register.
ron