How to keep feet dry?

My Computer

2016-11-18

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On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Eric Aldinger wrote:

> Wear gators over boots. The rain may sneak into the gators but splashing
> and runoff from fenders do not
>
> On Nov 17, 2016 9:30 PM, "My Computer via OBRA"
> wrote:
>
>> Waterproof shoes still make a lot of sense, heavy rain and water spray on
>> your shoes, even with fenders.
>>
>> I use Sidi waterproof boots and hiking gators which go above them 3 or 4
>> inches. Gators go under my tights. Feet stay dry.
>>
>> Shimano has some nice looking boots too that are cheaper.
>>
>> Gators at REI are cheap. They are not waterproof (I'm sure some are) but
>> work well enough. Kind of like rain fly for tent.
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2016 9:15 PM, "David via OBRA" wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for everyone's thoughts. The original point was "several
>>> companies are making $300+ shoes, of which I have a pair, that are billed
>>> as waterproof but rain just comes right down through the ankle - what am I
>>> missing?" But the responses of "yep, that's how that works" and "try
>>> something else, such as..." make me realize that these expensive waterproof
>>> boots are more for warmth when dry, and light rain / splashing. Not steady
>>> rain. And yes you can put waterproof booties over them, or wear waterproof
>>> socks, but you could do that with your regular shoes and save the cash. And
>>> some suggested duct tape, which is probably the closest to the right answer
>>> to the problem. But not sure I want to put tape on my ankles each time I
>>> ride...or have sticky residue on my shoes...or solve any problem, besides
>>> an HVAC issue, with duct tape! ;)
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Eric Aldinger

2016-11-18

Wear gators over boots. The rain may sneak into the gators but splashing
and runoff from fenders do not

On Nov 17, 2016 9:30 PM, "My Computer via OBRA" wrote:

> Waterproof shoes still make a lot of sense, heavy rain and water spray on
> your shoes, even with fenders.
>
> I use Sidi waterproof boots and hiking gators which go above them 3 or 4
> inches. Gators go under my tights. Feet stay dry.
>
> Shimano has some nice looking boots too that are cheaper.
>
> Gators at REI are cheap. They are not waterproof (I'm sure some are) but
> work well enough. Kind of like rain fly for tent.
>
> On Nov 17, 2016 9:15 PM, "David via OBRA" wrote:
>
>> Thanks for everyone's thoughts. The original point was "several companies
>> are making $300+ shoes, of which I have a pair, that are billed as
>> waterproof but rain just comes right down through the ankle - what am I
>> missing?" But the responses of "yep, that's how that works" and "try
>> something else, such as..." make me realize that these expensive waterproof
>> boots are more for warmth when dry, and light rain / splashing. Not steady
>> rain. And yes you can put waterproof booties over them, or wear waterproof
>> socks, but you could do that with your regular shoes and save the cash. And
>> some suggested duct tape, which is probably the closest to the right answer
>> to the problem. But not sure I want to put tape on my ankles each time I
>> ride...or have sticky residue on my shoes...or solve any problem, besides
>> an HVAC issue, with duct tape! ;)
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My Computer

2016-11-18

Waterproof shoes still make a lot of sense, heavy rain and water spray on
your shoes, even with fenders.

I use Sidi waterproof boots and hiking gators which go above them 3 or 4
inches. Gators go under my tights. Feet stay dry.

Shimano has some nice looking boots too that are cheaper.

Gators at REI are cheap. They are not waterproof (I'm sure some are) but
work well enough. Kind of like rain fly for tent.

On Nov 17, 2016 9:15 PM, "David via OBRA" wrote:

> Thanks for everyone's thoughts. The original point was "several companies
> are making $300+ shoes, of which I have a pair, that are billed as
> waterproof but rain just comes right down through the ankle - what am I
> missing?" But the responses of "yep, that's how that works" and "try
> something else, such as..." make me realize that these expensive waterproof
> boots are more for warmth when dry, and light rain / splashing. Not steady
> rain. And yes you can put waterproof booties over them, or wear waterproof
> socks, but you could do that with your regular shoes and save the cash. And
> some suggested duct tape, which is probably the closest to the right answer
> to the problem. But not sure I want to put tape on my ankles each time I
> ride...or have sticky residue on my shoes...or solve any problem, besides
> an HVAC issue, with duct tape! ;)
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David

2016-11-18

Thanks for everyone's thoughts. The original point was "several companies are making $300+ shoes, of which I have a pair, that are billed as waterproof but rain just comes right down through the ankle - what am I missing?" But the responses of "yep, that's how that works" and "try something else, such as..." make me realize that these expensive waterproof boots are more for warmth when dry, and light rain / splashing. Not steady rain. And yes you can put waterproof booties over them, or wear waterproof socks, but you could do that with your regular shoes and save the cash. And some suggested duct tape, which is probably the closest to the right answer to the problem. But not sure I want to put tape on my ankles each time I ride...or have sticky residue on my shoes...or solve any problem, besides an HVAC issue, with duct tape! ;)


danandlaur..@comcast.net

2016-11-17

do you have an extra size shoe for winter? I can't squeeze waterproof socks into my shoes.

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From: "Tim Schauer via OBRA"
To: "Rick Johnson"
Cc: "OBRA"
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:03:41 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] How to keep feet dry?

As Mike says, Definitely tights/leggings over the shoe cover instead of the cuff inside the shoe covers. But in addition, I HIGHLY recommend Shower's pass wool water proof socks. Not only are they the best cyclocross racing socks in this year's wet muddy conditions, they are my rainy road ride sock of choice inside my winter road shoe, which is inside my Endura show covers.

Tim Schauer, PE
PRESIDENT/CEO

P 360 823 1313 M 360 904 0748
1325 SE Tech Center Drive, Suite 140
Vancouver, WA 98683

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Rick Johnson via OBRA < obra@list.obra.org > wrote:

I have had good results with Sealskinz earlier products. They are made in England so I think they have some pretty good experience with wet weather. I suggest you give a look to their current line up but in particular these:

https://www.sealskinz.com/US/socks/oversock-black

On 11/17/2016 11:18 AM, David via OBRA wrote:


Let's say you ride your bike in the winter. And let's say you live in a place where it rains a lot in the winter, like Portland, Oregon. And let's also say you have a pair of waterproof, high-cuff cycling shoes. Lastly, let's say there's gravity, and therefore rain flows down your legs into your shoes. How do you keep your feet dry? A 2-hour road ride isn't very conducive to baggy rain pants that cover the cuffs.... I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but these expensive shoes were designed for road riders, and road riders wear tights, which just allow water into the shoes at the cuff.
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Leibowitz, Flora Lynn

2016-11-17

Wearing a bootie with the bottom of the tights going over the bootie helps. Bootie can be lightweight with the heavier duty shoes. This means there isn't an upward facing thing on the outermost surface. The tights will get wet and then you may have to pack it in, but this extends the ride time considerably in my experience.

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On Nov 17, 2016, at 11:28 AM, Benjamin Beckerich via OBRA > wrote:

In my experience, not gonna happen. Riding in the rain, one should seek to regulate body temperature and keep compression layers against the skin for comfort/prevent chaffing, wear water-shedding outer layers to keep majority of water out, but staying DRY is a dream. Even if you can somehow keep all water out, how are you going to keep from getting sweaty?

As I said, in my experience.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:18 AM, David via OBRA > wrote:
Let's say you ride your bike in the winter. And let's say you live in a place where it rains a lot in the winter, like Portland, Oregon. And let's also say you have a pair of waterproof, high-cuff cycling shoes. Lastly, let's say there's gravity, and therefore rain flows down your legs into your shoes. How do you keep your feet dry? A 2-hour road ride isn't very conducive to baggy rain pants that cover the cuffs.... I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but these expensive shoes were designed for road riders, and road riders wear tights, which just allow water into the shoes at the cuff.
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Tim Schauer

2016-11-17

As Mike says, Definitely tights/leggings over the shoe cover instead of the
cuff inside the shoe covers. But in addition, I HIGHLY recommend Shower's
pass wool water proof socks. Not only are they the best cyclocross racing
socks in this year's wet muddy conditions, they are my rainy road ride sock
of choice inside my winter road shoe, which is inside my Endura show
covers.

*Tim Schauer, PE*
PRESIDENT/CEO

*P *360 823 1313 *M *360 904 0748
1325 SE Tech Center Drive, Suite 140
Vancouver, WA 98683

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Rick Johnson via OBRA
wrote:

> I have had good results with Sealskinz earlier products. They are made in
> England so I think they have some pretty good experience with wet weather.
> I suggest you give a look to their current line up but in particular these:
>
> https://www.sealskinz.com/US/socks/oversock-black
>
>
>
> On 11/17/2016 11:18 AM, David via OBRA wrote:
>
>> Let's say you ride your bike in the winter. And let's say you live in a
>> place where it rains a lot in the winter, like Portland, Oregon. And let's
>> also say you have a pair of waterproof, high-cuff cycling shoes. Lastly,
>> let's say there's gravity, and therefore rain flows down your legs into
>> your shoes. How do you keep your feet dry? A 2-hour road ride isn't very
>> conducive to baggy rain pants that cover the cuffs.... I feel like I'm
>> missing something obvious, but these expensive shoes were designed for road
>> riders, and road riders wear tights, which just allow water into the shoes
>> at the cuff.
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stevea.long

2016-11-17

Mike's got it here. The trick is to stay warm rather than dry. In rainy conditions, feet get wet from water going down the legs rather than from the ground if you've got some type of water proof booty. You cannot make anything tight enough around the ankle or slightly above to keep water out. Well maybe if you also cut off your circulation too that is. 
So nothing too tight and it should help retain heat like wool. And keep the wind off of them too. You should be able to get a couple of hours without the feet getting too cold if you do the above.

Steve

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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Murray via OBRA
Date:11/17/2016 11:24 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: OBRA remailer
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] How to keep feet dry?

Shoe covers work better than high cycling shoes. Tights over the covers
rather than the other way around helps. Socks short enough so that they do
not wick water into the shoe. Neoprene covers are best as even if your feet
get wet, as they will one way or another, they will stay warm.

Mike

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From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of David via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:19
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] How to keep feet dry?

Let's say you ride your bike in the winter. And let's say you live in a
place where it rains a lot in the winter, like Portland, Oregon. And let's
also say you have a pair of waterproof, high-cuff cycling shoes. Lastly,
let's say there's gravity, and therefore rain flows down your legs into your
shoes. How do you keep your feet dry? A 2-hour road ride isn't very
conducive to baggy rain pants that cover the cuffs.... I feel like I'm
missing something obvious, but these expensive shoes were designed for road
riders, and road riders wear tights, which just allow water into the shoes
at the cuff.
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Rick Johnson

2016-11-17

I have had good results with Sealskinz earlier products. They are made
in England so I think they have some pretty good experience with wet
weather. I suggest you give a look to their current line up but in
particular these:

https://www.sealskinz.com/US/socks/oversock-black

On 11/17/2016 11:18 AM, David via OBRA wrote:
> Let's say you ride your bike in the winter. And let's say you live in a place where it rains a lot in the winter, like Portland, Oregon. And let's also say you have a pair of waterproof, high-cuff cycling shoes. Lastly, let's say there's gravity, and therefore rain flows down your legs into your shoes. How do you keep your feet dry? A 2-hour road ride isn't very conducive to baggy rain pants that cover the cuffs.... I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but these expensive shoes were designed for road riders, and road riders wear tights, which just allow water into the shoes at the cuff.
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Tommy Tuite

2016-11-17

Dave's killer bread Sin dog: Eat two and put the bags over your socks.


Mike Murray

2016-11-17

Shoe covers work better than high cycling shoes. Tights over the covers
rather than the other way around helps. Socks short enough so that they do
not wick water into the shoe. Neoprene covers are best as even if your feet
get wet, as they will one way or another, they will stay warm.

Mike

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From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of David via OBRA
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:19
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] How to keep feet dry?

Let's say you ride your bike in the winter. And let's say you live in a
place where it rains a lot in the winter, like Portland, Oregon. And let's
also say you have a pair of waterproof, high-cuff cycling shoes. Lastly,
let's say there's gravity, and therefore rain flows down your legs into your
shoes. How do you keep your feet dry? A 2-hour road ride isn't very
conducive to baggy rain pants that cover the cuffs.... I feel like I'm
missing something obvious, but these expensive shoes were designed for road
riders, and road riders wear tights, which just allow water into the shoes
at the cuff.
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Benjamin Beckerich

2016-11-17

In my experience, not gonna happen. Riding in the rain, one should seek to
regulate body temperature and keep compression layers against the skin for
comfort/prevent chaffing, wear water-shedding outer layers to keep majority
of water out, but staying DRY is a dream. Even if you can somehow keep all
water out, how are you going to keep from getting sweaty?

As I said, in my experience.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:18 AM, David via OBRA wrote:

> Let's say you ride your bike in the winter. And let's say you live in a
> place where it rains a lot in the winter, like Portland, Oregon. And let's
> also say you have a pair of waterproof, high-cuff cycling shoes. Lastly,
> let's say there's gravity, and therefore rain flows down your legs into
> your shoes. How do you keep your feet dry? A 2-hour road ride isn't very
> conducive to baggy rain pants that cover the cuffs.... I feel like I'm
> missing something obvious, but these expensive shoes were designed for road
> riders, and road riders wear tights, which just allow water into the shoes
> at the cuff.
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David

2016-11-17

Let's say you ride your bike in the winter. And let's say you live in a place where it rains a lot in the winter, like Portland, Oregon. And let's also say you have a pair of waterproof, high-cuff cycling shoes. Lastly, let's say there's gravity, and therefore rain flows down your legs into your shoes. How do you keep your feet dry? A 2-hour road ride isn't very conducive to baggy rain pants that cover the cuffs.... I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but these expensive shoes were designed for road riders, and road riders wear tights, which just allow water into the shoes at the cuff.