Norrene Godfrey

I imagine the reason for the expansion in categories is an attempt at filling races. Often I see various groups racing in the same field but scored separately. While that is far more work for the officials such action does perhaps bring more people into racing.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Marek Litinsky via OBRA"
To: "Mike Murray" , "obra"
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 1:19:35 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey

Increased cost of racing for useless categories (NOT useless racers, every racers is important) is another really good reason to reconsider this model. And I can't think of better way to persuade wide public about this idea other than bringing up arguments in public forum.

Lot of people responded privately in support of combined fields across both genders but nobody is willing to put it out there in public.

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>
> I agree with you. Now we just need to convince everyone else that having a
> bunch of different categories and continual requests for essentially
> uncompleted categories (races for red haired guys born on Tuesday between
> 1964 and 1967) is only increasing the cost of putting on races and doing
> nothing for the participation.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marek Litinsky [mailto:marek.litinsky@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:36
> To: Mike Murray; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>
> Road racing as a product packaged by OBRA (and mirroring USAC category
> model) is definitely not flying off the shelves. To look at the issue and
> suggest the same solution again and again (making racing more accessible
> for beginners) is akin to advocating for faster pigeons in the age of
> emails.
>
> There are on the other hand many road racing events that are highly
> popular. Sometimes thousands of people line up. Even here in Oregon I
> participated in mass start races with hundreds of people on the line and
> finishing group contained the same amount of 1/2/3 category racers as any
> other "major" Oregon race.
>
> To refuse to see this sounds like oh yeah, emails are fast, for sure but
> what if we'd make those pigeon lofts door bigger so they could fly out
> faster?!?
>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mike Murray via OBRA
> wrote:
>>
>> I have to agree that there has not been an organized response to the
>> decline in non-CX races on the part of OBRA but I also have to point
>> out that the biggest reason for that decline is a decrease in
>> participation. There is also an effect of increased costs but this is a
> much smaller effect.
>> Basically road racing is not a product that the market currently wants
>> to purchase as much as in the relatively recent past. Possibly this
>> could be turned around by better marketing, more attractive events,
>> less doping news, etc. but that is not really known. People have to
>> want to go to bike races before it makes any sense to put them on.
>>
>> Mike Murray
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adam
>> Angert via OBRA
>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 15:01
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>>
>> I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
>> While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
>> What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question
>> would leave most obra members scratching their head.
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Candi Murray

2017-01-24

Could we change the subject line of this thread?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Marek Litinsky via OBRA wrote:
>
> Increased cost of racing for useless categories (NOT useless racers, every racers is important) is another really good reason to reconsider this model. And I can't think of better way to persuade wide public about this idea other than bringing up arguments in public forum.
>
> Lot of people responded privately in support of combined fields across both genders but nobody is willing to put it out there in public.
>
>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>>
>> I agree with you. Now we just need to convince everyone else that having a
>> bunch of different categories and continual requests for essentially
>> uncompleted categories (races for red haired guys born on Tuesday between
>> 1964 and 1967) is only increasing the cost of putting on races and doing
>> nothing for the participation.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marek Litinsky [mailto:marek.litinsky@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:36
>> To: Mike Murray; obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>>
>> Road racing as a product packaged by OBRA (and mirroring USAC category
>> model) is definitely not flying off the shelves. To look at the issue and
>> suggest the same solution again and again (making racing more accessible
>> for beginners) is akin to advocating for faster pigeons in the age of
>> emails.
>>
>> There are on the other hand many road racing events that are highly
>> popular. Sometimes thousands of people line up. Even here in Oregon I
>> participated in mass start races with hundreds of people on the line and
>> finishing group contained the same amount of 1/2/3 category racers as any
>> other "major" Oregon race.
>>
>> To refuse to see this sounds like oh yeah, emails are fast, for sure but
>> what if we'd make those pigeon lofts door bigger so they could fly out
>> faster?!?
>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mike Murray via OBRA
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have to agree that there has not been an organized response to the
>>> decline in non-CX races on the part of OBRA but I also have to point
>>> out that the biggest reason for that decline is a decrease in
>>> participation. There is also an effect of increased costs but this is a
>> much smaller effect.
>>> Basically road racing is not a product that the market currently wants
>>> to purchase as much as in the relatively recent past. Possibly this
>>> could be turned around by better marketing, more attractive events,
>>> less doping news, etc. but that is not really known. People have to
>>> want to go to bike races before it makes any sense to put them on.
>>>
>>> Mike Murray
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adam
>>> Angert via OBRA
>>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 15:01
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>>>
>>> I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
>>> While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
>>> What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question
>>> would leave most obra members scratching their head.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Marek Litinsky

2017-01-24

It doesn't make sense to compare cross and road racing at all. It takes different bike, different mind set (race for 45 minutes as opposed to 4 1/2 hours), training and time of the year.

From promoters point of view (and cost of organizing it) it's also very different as it won't cost you more to let big boned racers run around for 30 minutes on the same grass field as everybody else but for extra $20 bucks a pop in cross race. Very different from requirement of extra lead/follow cars full of volunteers/paid officials, longer volunteering/paid corner marshals etc. on the road.

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 1:21 PM, Ormerod, Gilbert wrote:
>
> I don’t believe too many categories was offered as part of the problem as much as it was a possible solution.
>
> I mean, yeah, chicken/egg, or whatever. But the idea that reducing the number of categories may make racing more fun for many of us certainly has some merit. It would be really interesting to try this and see how it went!
>
> And obviously, it doesn’t matter in cross, but that’s because cross will draw crowds no matter what.
>
> Gil
>
> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of craig austin via OBRA
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 1:13 PM
> To: Marek Litinsky
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>
> If the problem was too many categories or too beginner-accessible, then 'cross would be dying as well. For crissake, we have Clydesdale, Athena, SS men AND women, and unicycle categories (plus actual beginner, several junior, Cat 1-5, masters, etc). As race promoters, you either give the people what they want or they'll stop coming.
>
> As Mike said, there are many factors leading to the decline in road racing. About 12 years ago we had this exact same discussion about why we lost the Big K, Santiam Pedalfest, Race at Reehers, and Oakridge mountain bike races. Now mountain biking is making somewhat of a resurgence, and "gravel bikes" outnumber road racing bikes in most of the local shops.
>
> I don't have the answers here. I do know that if we don't attract juniors to bike racing, pretty soon there won't be any bike racing. I applaud the promoters who take the risks and try to appease the many different desires of the OBRA community. And I think this discussion is very worthwhile and hope that existing and potential race promoters are reading. It sounds to me like there's a market out there for some good old fashioned road racing, as well as some new-school gravel-endurance racing, if anyone's willing to put on a race.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Marek Litinsky via OBRA wrote:
> Road racing as a product packaged by OBRA (and mirroring USAC category model) is definitely not flying off the shelves. To look at the issue and suggest the same solution again and again (making racing more accessible for beginners) is akin to advocating for faster pigeons in the age of emails.
>
> There are on the other hand many road racing events that are highly popular. Sometimes thousands of people line up. Even here in Oregon I participated in mass start races with hundreds of people on the line and finishing group contained the same amount of 1/2/3 category racers as any other "major" Oregon race.
>
> To refuse to see this sounds like oh yeah, emails are fast, for sure but what if we'd make those pigeon lofts door bigger so they could fly out faster?!?
> > On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mike Murray via OBRA wrote:
> >
> > I have to agree that there has not been an organized response to the decline
> > in non-CX races on the part of OBRA but I also have to point out that the
> > biggest reason for that decline is a decrease in participation. There is
> > also an effect of increased costs but this is a much smaller effect.
> > Basically road racing is not a product that the market currently wants to
> > purchase as much as in the relatively recent past. Possibly this could be
> > turned around by better marketing, more attractive events, less doping news,
> > etc. but that is not really known. People have to want to go to bike races
> > before it makes any sense to put them on.
> >
> > Mike Murray
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adam Angert via
> > OBRA
> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 15:01
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
> >
> > I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
> > While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
> > What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question would
> > leave most obra members scratching their head.
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Lisa Eriksson

2017-01-24

I have to agree with Marek that combining fields is a possible solution and
interesting angle. Because road is not cross, and here abundance of fields
doesn't promote inclusiveness.
As a female cyclist, I must say it's very disheartening to see the decrease
in participation and showing up to a race week after week and be joined be
3 other women (4 on a "good night"), but the solution isn't to not come to
the races.
Combining the fields of men with women (on a comparable level like cat 4
men with cat 3 women etc) would give everyone an interesting and
challenging race.
I like the way races are split up in BC, Canada, they have A,B,C,D fields
when needed, and thats all, then men and women are scored separately
afterwards. That way racing is fun, we get time and experience in larger
packs and aren't "racing" with the same 3 women spread out all over the
course.
I for one will be lining up where there is a race this season, i.e. with
the men, because leaving the sport is not the solution.

Cheers!
Lisa Eriksson

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 1:13 PM, craig austin via OBRA
wrote:

> If the problem was too many categories or too beginner-accessible, then
> 'cross would be dying as well. For crissake, we have Clydesdale, Athena, SS
> men AND women, and unicycle categories (plus actual beginner, several
> junior, Cat 1-5, masters, etc). As race promoters, you either give the
> people what they want or they'll stop coming.
>
> As Mike said, there are many factors leading to the decline in road
> racing. About 12 years ago we had this exact same discussion about why we
> lost the Big K, Santiam Pedalfest, Race at Reehers, and Oakridge mountain
> bike races. Now mountain biking is making somewhat of a resurgence, and
> "gravel bikes" outnumber road racing bikes in most of the local shops.
>
> I don't have the answers here. I do know that if we don't attract juniors
> to bike racing, pretty soon there won't be any bike racing. I applaud the
> promoters who take the risks and try to appease the many different desires
> of the OBRA community. And I think this discussion is very worthwhile and
> hope that existing and potential race promoters are reading. It sounds to
> me like there's a market out there for some good old fashioned road racing,
> as well as some new-school gravel-endurance racing, if anyone's willing to
> put on a race.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Marek Litinsky via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>
>> Road racing as a product packaged by OBRA (and mirroring USAC category
>> model) is definitely not flying off the shelves. To look at the issue and
>> suggest the same solution again and again (making racing more accessible
>> for beginners) is akin to advocating for faster pigeons in the age of
>> emails.
>>
>> There are on the other hand many road racing events that are highly
>> popular. Sometimes thousands of people line up. Even here in Oregon I
>> participated in mass start races with hundreds of people on the line and
>> finishing group contained the same amount of 1/2/3 category racers as any
>> other "major" Oregon race.
>>
>> To refuse to see this sounds like oh yeah, emails are fast, for sure but
>> what if we'd make those pigeon lofts door bigger so they could fly out
>> faster?!?
>> > On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mike Murray via OBRA
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have to agree that there has not been an organized response to the
>> decline
>> > in non-CX races on the part of OBRA but I also have to point out that
>> the
>> > biggest reason for that decline is a decrease in participation. There is
>> > also an effect of increased costs but this is a much smaller effect.
>> > Basically road racing is not a product that the market currently wants
>> to
>> > purchase as much as in the relatively recent past. Possibly this could
>> be
>> > turned around by better marketing, more attractive events, less doping
>> news,
>> > etc. but that is not really known. People have to want to go to bike
>> races
>> > before it makes any sense to put them on.
>> >
>> > Mike Murray
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adam
>> Angert via
>> > OBRA
>> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 15:01
>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>> >
>> > I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
>> > While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
>> > What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question would
>> > leave most obra members scratching their head.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > OBRA mailing list
>> > obra@list.obra.org
>> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Marek Litinsky

2017-01-24

Increased cost of racing for useless categories (NOT useless racers, every racers is important) is another really good reason to reconsider this model. And I can't think of better way to persuade wide public about this idea other than bringing up arguments in public forum.

Lot of people responded privately in support of combined fields across both genders but nobody is willing to put it out there in public.

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>
> I agree with you. Now we just need to convince everyone else that having a
> bunch of different categories and continual requests for essentially
> uncompleted categories (races for red haired guys born on Tuesday between
> 1964 and 1967) is only increasing the cost of putting on races and doing
> nothing for the participation.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marek Litinsky [mailto:marek.litinsky@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:36
> To: Mike Murray; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>
> Road racing as a product packaged by OBRA (and mirroring USAC category
> model) is definitely not flying off the shelves. To look at the issue and
> suggest the same solution again and again (making racing more accessible
> for beginners) is akin to advocating for faster pigeons in the age of
> emails.
>
> There are on the other hand many road racing events that are highly
> popular. Sometimes thousands of people line up. Even here in Oregon I
> participated in mass start races with hundreds of people on the line and
> finishing group contained the same amount of 1/2/3 category racers as any
> other "major" Oregon race.
>
> To refuse to see this sounds like oh yeah, emails are fast, for sure but
> what if we'd make those pigeon lofts door bigger so they could fly out
> faster?!?
>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mike Murray via OBRA
> wrote:
>>
>> I have to agree that there has not been an organized response to the
>> decline in non-CX races on the part of OBRA but I also have to point
>> out that the biggest reason for that decline is a decrease in
>> participation. There is also an effect of increased costs but this is a
> much smaller effect.
>> Basically road racing is not a product that the market currently wants
>> to purchase as much as in the relatively recent past. Possibly this
>> could be turned around by better marketing, more attractive events,
>> less doping news, etc. but that is not really known. People have to
>> want to go to bike races before it makes any sense to put them on.
>>
>> Mike Murray
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adam
>> Angert via OBRA
>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 15:01
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>>
>> I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
>> While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
>> What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question
>> would leave most obra members scratching their head.
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>> _______________________________________________
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>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org


craig austin

2017-01-24

If the problem was too many categories or too beginner-accessible, then
'cross would be dying as well. For crissake, we have Clydesdale, Athena, SS
men AND women, and unicycle categories (plus actual beginner, several
junior, Cat 1-5, masters, etc). As race promoters, you either give the
people what they want or they'll stop coming.

As Mike said, there are many factors leading to the decline in road racing.
About 12 years ago we had this exact same discussion about why we lost the
Big K, Santiam Pedalfest, Race at Reehers, and Oakridge mountain bike
races. Now mountain biking is making somewhat of a resurgence, and "gravel
bikes" outnumber road racing bikes in most of the local shops.

I don't have the answers here. I do know that if we don't attract juniors
to bike racing, pretty soon there won't be any bike racing. I applaud the
promoters who take the risks and try to appease the many different desires
of the OBRA community. And I think this discussion is very worthwhile and
hope that existing and potential race promoters are reading. It sounds to
me like there's a market out there for some good old fashioned road racing,
as well as some new-school gravel-endurance racing, if anyone's willing to
put on a race.

Craig

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Marek Litinsky via OBRA <
obra@list.obra.org> wrote:

> Road racing as a product packaged by OBRA (and mirroring USAC category
> model) is definitely not flying off the shelves. To look at the issue and
> suggest the same solution again and again (making racing more accessible
> for beginners) is akin to advocating for faster pigeons in the age of
> emails.
>
> There are on the other hand many road racing events that are highly
> popular. Sometimes thousands of people line up. Even here in Oregon I
> participated in mass start races with hundreds of people on the line and
> finishing group contained the same amount of 1/2/3 category racers as any
> other "major" Oregon race.
>
> To refuse to see this sounds like oh yeah, emails are fast, for sure but
> what if we'd make those pigeon lofts door bigger so they could fly out
> faster?!?
> > On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mike Murray via OBRA
> wrote:
> >
> > I have to agree that there has not been an organized response to the
> decline
> > in non-CX races on the part of OBRA but I also have to point out that the
> > biggest reason for that decline is a decrease in participation. There is
> > also an effect of increased costs but this is a much smaller effect.
> > Basically road racing is not a product that the market currently wants to
> > purchase as much as in the relatively recent past. Possibly this could be
> > turned around by better marketing, more attractive events, less doping
> news,
> > etc. but that is not really known. People have to want to go to bike
> races
> > before it makes any sense to put them on.
> >
> > Mike Murray
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adam Angert
> via
> > OBRA
> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 15:01
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
> >
> > I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
> > While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
> > What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question would
> > leave most obra members scratching their head.
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
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> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Kelly Myers

2017-01-24

Traffic from the westside to PIR is definitely an issue for me. I can only
attend during my summer break (teacher) and even then traffic talks me out
of it most times...if it wasn't for traffic I would be there almost every
Monday and Tuesday in the summer.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Mike Murray via OBRA
wrote:

> Although participation at PIR has decreased, that is not the real issue.
> Participation there is (barely) enough to be economically viable. It is
> participation at weekend road and crit races which has tanked enough that
> the number of people willing to put those on has decreased. The traffic
> issue is probably a big point contributing to the decline in numbers at
> PIR but it does not really effect weekend races much.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joec@aracnet.com [mailto:joec@aracnet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:48
> To: Mike Murray
> Cc: OBRA remailer
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>
> Part of the participation decline, at least on Mon/Tue eves is the commute
> from the West-side. Travel from points West of Sylvan has become a
> nightmare to the point that my nightly commute to Vancouver takes as long
> as 2.5 hrs.
> Even if I were to leave my office right at 4 (on those rare occasions) I
> *may*
> get to PIR by 6 which leaves literally no time to change, warm-up,
> register/pay.
> Other events that many of us know and base (a part of) our season on have
> gone away. Banana Belt, Estacada TT, various crits. That too likely has an
> influence over participation decline.
>
> One other aspect that I dont think any one can really do about is the age
> of the peloton. From what I have observed (anecdotal) the largest fields
> are Masters level riders. Many of us who are getting up into our 50's,
> 60's and even 70's simply are tired of spinning in circles and are
> choosing to do other things. I know I no longer have the desire to crank
> out 7K+ miles/year like I did 10 years ago. I have other interests/hobbies
> I am starting to enjoy.
>
> Costs to me are a negligible issue. Especially when you consider what many
> of us have invested in terms of equipment. Now, if a family with children
> is involved with the sport (or other sports) then costs will become an
> issue of concern. For a given athlete, I think it is miniscule.
>
> Bottom line: I think we all want to see the organization/sport grow. As
> with all things though, times and events change. Old(er) events go away.
> New events spring up. As athletes retire and move on to other things,
> (hopefully) younger athletes step in to take their place.
>
> Just an observation from the Back of the Pack,
>
> Joe
>
> On 2017-01-24 12:18, Mike Murray via OBRA wrote:
> > I have to agree that there has not been an organized response to the
> > decline in non-CX races on the part of OBRA but I also have to point
> > out that the biggest reason for that decline is a decrease in
> > participation. There is also an effect of increased costs but this is
> > a much smaller effect.
> > Basically road racing is not a product that the market currently wants
> > to purchase as much as in the relatively recent past. Possibly this
> > could be turned around by better marketing, more attractive events,
> > less doping news, etc. but that is not really known. People have to
> > want to go to bike races before it makes any sense to put them on.
> >
> > Mike Murray
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> > Angert via OBRA
> > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 15:01
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
> >
> > I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
> > While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
> > What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question
> > would leave most obra members scratching their head.
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Mike Murray

2017-01-24

Although participation at PIR has decreased, that is not the real issue.
Participation there is (barely) enough to be economically viable. It is
participation at weekend road and crit races which has tanked enough that
the number of people willing to put those on has decreased. The traffic
issue is probably a big point contributing to the decline in numbers at
PIR but it does not really effect weekend races much.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: joec@aracnet.com [mailto:joec@aracnet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:48
To: Mike Murray
Cc: OBRA remailer
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey

Part of the participation decline, at least on Mon/Tue eves is the commute
from the West-side. Travel from points West of Sylvan has become a
nightmare to the point that my nightly commute to Vancouver takes as long
as 2.5 hrs.
Even if I were to leave my office right at 4 (on those rare occasions) I
*may*
get to PIR by 6 which leaves literally no time to change, warm-up,
register/pay.
Other events that many of us know and base (a part of) our season on have
gone away. Banana Belt, Estacada TT, various crits. That too likely has an
influence over participation decline.

One other aspect that I dont think any one can really do about is the age
of the peloton. From what I have observed (anecdotal) the largest fields
are Masters level riders. Many of us who are getting up into our 50's,
60's and even 70's simply are tired of spinning in circles and are
choosing to do other things. I know I no longer have the desire to crank
out 7K+ miles/year like I did 10 years ago. I have other interests/hobbies
I am starting to enjoy.

Costs to me are a negligible issue. Especially when you consider what many
of us have invested in terms of equipment. Now, if a family with children
is involved with the sport (or other sports) then costs will become an
issue of concern. For a given athlete, I think it is miniscule.

Bottom line: I think we all want to see the organization/sport grow. As
with all things though, times and events change. Old(er) events go away.
New events spring up. As athletes retire and move on to other things,
(hopefully) younger athletes step in to take their place.

Just an observation from the Back of the Pack,

Joe

On 2017-01-24 12:18, Mike Murray via OBRA wrote:
> I have to agree that there has not been an organized response to the
> decline in non-CX races on the part of OBRA but I also have to point
> out that the biggest reason for that decline is a decrease in
> participation. There is also an effect of increased costs but this is
> a much smaller effect.
> Basically road racing is not a product that the market currently wants
> to purchase as much as in the relatively recent past. Possibly this
> could be turned around by better marketing, more attractive events,
> less doping news, etc. but that is not really known. People have to
> want to go to bike races before it makes any sense to put them on.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> Angert via OBRA
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 15:01
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>
> I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
> While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
> What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question
> would leave most obra members scratching their head.
> _______________________________________________
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jo..@aracnet.com

2017-01-24

Part of the participation decline, at least on Mon/Tue eves is the
commute
from the West-side. Travel from points West of Sylvan has become a
nightmare
to the point that my nightly commute to Vancouver takes as long as 2.5
hrs.
Even if I were to leave my office right at 4 (on those rare occasions) I
*may*
get to PIR by 6 which leaves literally no time to change, warm-up,
register/pay.
Other events that many of us know and base (a part of) our season on
have gone
away. Banana Belt, Estacada TT, various crits. That too likely has an
influence
over participation decline.

One other aspect that I dont think any one can really do about is the
age of
the peloton. From what I have observed (anecdotal) the largest fields
are
Masters level riders. Many of us who are getting up into our 50's, 60's
and
even 70's simply are tired of spinning in circles and are choosing to do
other
things. I know I no longer have the desire to crank out 7K+ miles/year
like I
did 10 years ago. I have other interests/hobbies I am starting to enjoy.

Costs to me are a negligible issue. Especially when you consider what
many of
us have invested in terms of equipment. Now, if a family with children
is
involved with the sport (or other sports) then costs will become an
issue of
concern. For a given athlete, I think it is miniscule.

Bottom line: I think we all want to see the organization/sport grow. As
with
all things though, times and events change. Old(er) events go away. New
events
spring up. As athletes retire and move on to other things, (hopefully)
younger
athletes step in to take their place.

Just an observation from the Back of the Pack,

Joe

On 2017-01-24 12:18, Mike Murray via OBRA wrote:
> I have to agree that there has not been an organized response to the
> decline
> in non-CX races on the part of OBRA but I also have to point out that
> the
> biggest reason for that decline is a decrease in participation. There
> is
> also an effect of increased costs but this is a much smaller effect.
> Basically road racing is not a product that the market currently wants
> to
> purchase as much as in the relatively recent past. Possibly this could
> be
> turned around by better marketing, more attractive events, less doping
> news,
> etc. but that is not really known. People have to want to go to bike
> races
> before it makes any sense to put them on.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adam Angert
> via
> OBRA
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 15:01
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>
> I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
> While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
> What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question would
> leave most obra members scratching their head.
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Marek Litinsky

2017-01-24

Road racing as a product packaged by OBRA (and mirroring USAC category model) is definitely not flying off the shelves. To look at the issue and suggest the same solution again and again (making racing more accessible for beginners) is akin to advocating for faster pigeons in the age of emails.

There are on the other hand many road racing events that are highly popular. Sometimes thousands of people line up. Even here in Oregon I participated in mass start races with hundreds of people on the line and finishing group contained the same amount of 1/2/3 category racers as any other "major" Oregon race.

To refuse to see this sounds like oh yeah, emails are fast, for sure but what if we'd make those pigeon lofts door bigger so they could fly out faster?!?
> On Jan 24, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mike Murray via OBRA wrote:
>
> I have to agree that there has not been an organized response to the decline
> in non-CX races on the part of OBRA but I also have to point out that the
> biggest reason for that decline is a decrease in participation. There is
> also an effect of increased costs but this is a much smaller effect.
> Basically road racing is not a product that the market currently wants to
> purchase as much as in the relatively recent past. Possibly this could be
> turned around by better marketing, more attractive events, less doping news,
> etc. but that is not really known. People have to want to go to bike races
> before it makes any sense to put them on.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adam Angert via
> OBRA
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 15:01
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey
>
> I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
> While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
> What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question would
> leave most obra members scratching their head.
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Mike Murray

2017-01-24

I have to agree that there has not been an organized response to the decline
in non-CX races on the part of OBRA but I also have to point out that the
biggest reason for that decline is a decrease in participation. There is
also an effect of increased costs but this is a much smaller effect.
Basically road racing is not a product that the market currently wants to
purchase as much as in the relatively recent past. Possibly this could be
turned around by better marketing, more attractive events, less doping news,
etc. but that is not really known. People have to want to go to bike races
before it makes any sense to put them on.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adam Angert via
OBRA
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 15:01
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Norrene Godfrey

I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question would
leave most obra members scratching their head.
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T. Kenji Sugahara

2017-01-24

Rob-

Absolutely- and thanks for the feedback. Without it, we can't
improve. We've changed the way we communicate but you are completely
right- we can do better. Thanks for taking the time to let us know
your thoughts.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Robert via OBRA wrote:
> It���s great that things are being done to promote bike racing here. But
> unless you tell us, we don't know. Communication to the membership has been
> abysmal. The website is years out of date, the Facebook and twitter
> accounts average less than one post a day. We haven't heard from Joel (who
> is he? what does he do? What projects is he working on?) We haven't
> (until now - which is the most detailed accounting of what is going on in I
> can't remember how long...) heard from you, Kenji, about what is going on
> and what you are doing. I���m not suggesting that you are not doing anything,
> but without any communication (like what happened to the newsletter?) we are
> left to wonder.
>
> John Klupar and Norrene Godfrey finally realized that no help was going to
> from the leadership with respect to the track, and took matters into their
> own hands. We are on the path, hopefully, to renewed participation at the
> track. Norrene not only has the management skills and experience, but is an
> excellent communicator. She will be very adept at communicating with the
> membership about the efforts to reinvigorate bicycle racing.
>
> I fully support Norrene Godfrey for the OBRA board of directors.
>
>
>
> On 1/23/2017 17:44, T. Kenji Sugahara via OBRA wrote:
>
> I totally understand where Brian is coming from. In the past when
> times were good and we racing was popular, no one had any issues.
> However, racing is facing a significant downturn nationwide. We are
> not the only ones- and like everyone else, we have seen a decline in
> traditional racing. Indicative of this is a letter that was sent out
> to one of the stronger racing regions- the SCNCA (see below).
> Traditionally we took a hands off approach with "let the market
> decide".
>
> However, with the downturn it became apparent that we needed to work
> better and have everyone on the same page. To that end we made some
> structural changes so we can work smarter and collaborate much more
> effectively. Whereas many of us operated in silos, it became apparent
> that we needed to have everyone on the same page. We began using an
> online collaboration tool this fall that has been effective in
> generating ideas and getting people talking. We had a strategic
> planning session with promoters to highlight some of the priorities of
> group and help shape the calendar. Joel is working on a number of
> initiatives including outreach to many community organizations and
> many groups that wouldn't commonly be associated with bike racing- and
> we hired Jen Featheringill as well to replace Charlie. We have had
> folks like Adam Artner step up and offer to help. We are constantly
> encouraging promoters to try new ideas. While some may question and
> ask whether we are a bike racing organization anymore- we need to
> continue to innovate and try new ideas. With changing demographics,
> changing training patterns and changing in our environments, we need
> to continue to adapt.
>
> Races are getting harder and harder to put on with a triple whammy of
> increasing costs to run the races (our costs to promoters have
> remained static for 10 years), more difficulty obtaining permits, and
> changing tastes in events. We are working on both the local, state,
> and national level to try to help with some of the issues- engaging
> with people to address issues with obtaining permits and opening up
> new areas for trails and events. Further, we have been working with
> our partners in the tourism industry to help promoters with both
> funding and other opportunities.
>
> Oftentimes we work in the background, doing our day-to-day things.
> Answering e-mails, meeting with people and generally making the whole
> organization run. Can we do better to communicate? Absolutely- and
> we'll continually work on it. If you can help us, please do! We're
> always open to feedback and ideas.
>
> We should take a second to thank all those involved- as our
> organization would not run without the selfless and devoted people.
> Mike, Candi, Catherine, Joel, Jen, Tony, Kevin, Kelli, Andrea- and of
> course all of our board members, officials and promoters.
>
> But most importantly- thanks to all of YOU!
>
> k-
>
>
>
> "On behalf of the SCNCA BoD, I would like to welcome you to another
> year of racing in the Southern California/Southern Nevada Cycling
> Association.
> Calendars for both the SoCal Cup(still confirming a number of events)
> and races within our association can be found at www.SCNCA.com
> If you will notice, most of your favorite races are still going
> strong, with some exceptions. We have lost a number of good races,
> notably road races, and some very good criteriums due to the lack of
> participation and the cost of doing business. Our racing customer base
> is changing and there is a need to service our long term competitors,
> as well as those who have not been in the sport for very long. It is
> difficult to do both with consistency because riders want different
> things, have different goals. One thing I know for sure, and that is
> that we need much better participation and support at our road events
> or these will be a thing of the past. Road Races are costly to
> organize, even those that are bare bone events.
> New races are also a difficult venture, as Organizers find themselves
> having high expectations and little return in way of participation and
> support from USA Cycling (as we have a free market and competition
> with another event on the same day is very difficult, especially for a
> new race).
> As we all know, bike racing is a difficult sport with a very high rate
> of attrition. Grand Fondos and fun rides are on the rise, and I think
> we all understand why they are so attractive, especially to new
> riders. So in an effort to make bike racing more attractive and fun
> for newer riders, the SCNCA has spent a significant amount of time and
> resources developing new programs for newer and less experienced
> racers. You will see these "Beginning Racer Programs" and racing
> mentorships popping up at many of our local events. Attending a BRP is
> where you can learn "HOW" to race your bike in a friendly,
> non-threatening environment. If you are an organizer that is
> interested in adding a BRP to your event, please contact Sean Wilson
> at seanwilson@scnca.com
> This has been a tough year for the SCNCA, membership was down, rider
> days were down, and reasons for that are many, there is not just one
> thing driving the downturn.
> On an up note, we are making headway with juniors entering the sport,
> and support for juniors has been VERY positive, track participation is
> up, we had a great yearend party with Seth Davidson and friends, and
> we have another year to continue to do good things.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Brian Abers via OBRA
> wrote:
>
> As both a private and Team USA cycling coach and competitor, I am very
> concerned about the direction OBRA is heading, the loss of races, and how
> its leadership is dealing with theses issues. Lack of transparency in what
> the board is doing, as well as questionable focus in direction and
> organization should be of concern to us all, which is why I am endorsing
> Norrene Godfrey, and would urge the OBRA membership to read her posted bio,
> and cast their votes for her as board member in the current election this
> weekend. Having worked with Norrene as a rider, coach and in the somewhat
> contentious relationship with USAC track and PVC committees, I am confident
> she will be a strong voice for the ridership of OBRA. Thank you for your
> consideration
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Marek Litinsky

2017-01-24

Thanks Lisa!

Paradoxically it happens a lot in female categories when fields get combined due to low participation numbers. Not every time and I totally understand where you're coming from. But it happens much more than in men's field.

The result? So many female crushers from PNW killing it on national scene. It's awesome to see all these ladies getting on pro teams and getting to compete out of state with the rest of the world. That in turn will make racing more popular.

Could we have equality and combine men's fields as a rule? 1/2/3 and 4/5 as only two fields for senior men (not juniors or masters)? It would be good start imho.

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Lisa Eriksson wrote:
>
> Thank you Marek for sharing those valuable insights and experience! That was very interesting and I think it's good for our OBRA people to hear about other solutions...they've got so complacent and come to demand so many categories to make racing "easier" and "friendlier". Easy is boring!
> As a competitive female cyclist it drives me crazy that I show up for an OBRA race day and there are only 2 or 3 other women in my category that I will be "racing". That is not a race. Better to combine fields and make a fun and challenging race!
> This season I will be lining up with the men so I get a real race and can work on pack dynamics and get experience.
> Maybe I'll have to try some gran fondos too!
>
> Cheers,
> Lisa Eriksson
>
>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Marek Litinsky via OBRA wrote:
>> I have few ideas how to "grow" our little pond of cycling. And by "growth" I don't necessarily mean attracting new riders by meddling mediocrity by making things easier but instead making races harder and more challenging. Kinda like gran fondos. What?!? You say? I'll explain.
>>
>> Sports go through bust and boom cycles like many other areas of human interests. Cycling is not an exception. I've been lucky enough to participate and compete in few different activities through out my life and got to experience all of them on relatively high level growing up in Czechoslovakia.
>>
>> I've seen ski clubs come and go, cycling teams being formed and dissolved and skateparks being built and later torn down. I've also seen Czech and Slovak skiers repeatedly reach top ten in World Cup, Czech and Slovak skaters being in world wide magazines and getting paid for goofing around on plank of wood and Czech and Slovak cyclists winning few bike races over the years. You guys heard of that Sagan dude, right?
>>
>> In skiing I was member of generation that had few guys (including my dad) that realized that riding on tiny, mellow Czech mountains with snow coverage lasting few month will never lead to quality racing. There was a boom of parents who managed to put their whole life on hold both personally and financially, formed elite teams and basically moved to Alps (in my case months of van camping in snow) and trained like the best. When we came back, those of us who had success saw their clubs blossom, attracting new talent and few generations of racers later we are out there with the rest of the world. Also help and growth didn't come from official racing organization. Do it yourself, do it the hard way and results will follow. Oh, and there's only one category for racers from the age fifteen. There was so many naysayers that wanted more programs for kids and beginners rather than supporting elite level. They were wrong.
>>
>> In skateboarding it's little bit different but it's still relatively same. There were few skateparks built in the nineties that were really easy to ride and very beginner friendly. Nobody really liked them after a while and most people who started riding quit very soon. It was never any Skateboarding association or even park building company that made things happened. People who reached out to their town leaderships and forged ways with mayors explaining to them that hard to ride parks that are not made for beginners are the way to go. I was one of those teenagers going to town meetings and halls and eventually ended making sure we had hard to ride park. Within a year there was a crowd of riders and star emerged. Few more exceptional rides followed. Participation was and is up. How many categories are there? One or two. Amateurs and Sponsored. No coddling mediocrity. People who wanted make things easy and accessible were wrong.
>>
>> Czech cycling always had all what I keep talking about. Very few age categories. All adults racing together separated not by "category" but instead ranking allowing them to race. 140 guys in State Championship. Kinda fun. Here in the States it is very different. Coddling mediocrity by having multiple silly categories doesn't serve growth. Combining fields (making them larger and harder to race) leads to more exciting and fun racing. Have you ever raced any Gran Fondo? It's one giant field of racers. So much fun. And it's hard. You have fun when it's hard. No wonder that events that are actually fun are on come up while "racers" insist we need more people racing in Cat 4 masters 45-48 field. Make racing hard and fun and give support to elite riders who win these things.
>>
>> Not sure (from experience) if it will lead anywhere to expect changes from official racing organization. OBRA can't even do that as they said many times. And to be clear I do think that OBRA does amazing job facilitating races and organize the whole behind the scene shebang. Nothing but respect to judges and all officials out there. Progress is up to promoters (you know, anybody who wants to reach out to possible venue and forge ways with cities, property owners etc.) to make things happen and make things hard and thus fun. It is up to racers to show up at those events (and yes, I'll be racing any and all Gran Fondos I could handle just like I did in past few years). I'm not angry at Gorge Roubaix organizer. I'll try to line up. I am however laughing at folks soliciting "donations" from teams to race additional $5000 to keep our silly extra race for twelve special categories as it is really short term solution and slap in face of every other race organizer out there who wouldn't hold the whole OBRA hostage for $5000 on top of race fees. Again it didn't come from promoter themselves but it just doesn't make sense to have TWO races for extra one time $5000 fee when there's already one amazing Gravel Grinder in Gorge lined up. Where could OBRA help? By recognizing racing in those events as racing. Come up with formula how combination of size of the field and participation of high ranking riders could produce meaningful results. Award winners of hard races, gran fondos, grinders or whatever you want to call it.
>>
>> I believe that would make it more fun for everybody and lead to growth.
>>
>> Sorry about the rant. Just my two cents.
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 23, 2017, at 5:44 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara via OBRA wrote:
>> >
>> > I totally understand where Brian is coming from. In the past when
>> > times were good and we racing was popular, no one had any issues.
>> > However, racing is facing a significant downturn nationwide. We are
>> > not the only ones- and like everyone else, we have seen a decline in
>> > traditional racing. Indicative of this is a letter that was sent out
>> > to one of the stronger racing regions- the SCNCA (see below).
>> > Traditionally we took a hands off approach with "let the market
>> > decide".
>> >
>> > However, with the downturn it became apparent that we needed to work
>> > better and have everyone on the same page. To that end we made some
>> > structural changes so we can work smarter and collaborate much more
>> > effectively. Whereas many of us operated in silos, it became apparent
>> > that we needed to have everyone on the same page. We began using an
>> > online collaboration tool this fall that has been effective in
>> > generating ideas and getting people talking. We had a strategic
>> > planning session with promoters to highlight some of the priorities of
>> > group and help shape the calendar. Joel is working on a number of
>> > initiatives including outreach to many community organizations and
>> > many groups that wouldn't commonly be associated with bike racing- and
>> > we hired Jen Featheringill as well to replace Charlie. We have had
>> > folks like Adam Artner step up and offer to help. We are constantly
>> > encouraging promoters to try new ideas. While some may question and
>> > ask whether we are a bike racing organization anymore- we need to
>> > continue to innovate and try new ideas. With changing demographics,
>> > changing training patterns and changing in our environments, we need
>> > to continue to adapt.
>> >
>> > Races are getting harder and harder to put on with a triple whammy of
>> > increasing costs to run the races (our costs to promoters have
>> > remained static for 10 years), more difficulty obtaining permits, and
>> > changing tastes in events. We are working on both the local, state,
>> > and national level to try to help with some of the issues- engaging
>> > with people to address issues with obtaining permits and opening up
>> > new areas for trails and events. Further, we have been working with
>> > our partners in the tourism industry to help promoters with both
>> > funding and other opportunities.
>> >
>> > Oftentimes we work in the background, doing our day-to-day things.
>> > Answering e-mails, meeting with people and generally making the whole
>> > organization run. Can we do better to communicate? Absolutely- and
>> > we'll continually work on it. If you can help us, please do! We're
>> > always open to feedback and ideas.
>> >
>> > We should take a second to thank all those involved- as our
>> > organization would not run without the selfless and devoted people.
>> > Mike, Candi, Catherine, Joel, Jen, Tony, Kevin, Kelli, Andrea- and of
>> > course all of our board members, officials and promoters.
>> >
>> > But most importantly- thanks to all of YOU!
>> >
>> > k-
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "On behalf of the SCNCA BoD, I would like to welcome you to another
>> > year of racing in the Southern California/Southern Nevada Cycling
>> > Association.
>> > Calendars for both the SoCal Cup(still confirming a number of events)
>> > and races within our association can be found at www.SCNCA.com
>> > If you will notice, most of your favorite races are still going
>> > strong, with some exceptions. We have lost a number of good races,
>> > notably road races, and some very good criteriums due to the lack of
>> > participation and the cost of doing business. Our racing customer base
>> > is changing and there is a need to service our long term competitors,
>> > as well as those who have not been in the sport for very long. It is
>> > difficult to do both with consistency because riders want different
>> > things, have different goals. One thing I know for sure, and that is
>> > that we need much better participation and support at our road events
>> > or these will be a thing of the past. Road Races are costly to
>> > organize, even those that are bare bone events.
>> > New races are also a difficult venture, as Organizers find themselves
>> > having high expectations and little return in way of participation and
>> > support from USA Cycling (as we have a free market and competition
>> > with another event on the same day is very difficult, especially for a
>> > new race).
>> > As we all know, bike racing is a difficult sport with a very high rate
>> > of attrition. Grand Fondos and fun rides are on the rise, and I think
>> > we all understand why they are so attractive, especially to new
>> > riders. So in an effort to make bike racing more attractive and fun
>> > for newer riders, the SCNCA has spent a significant amount of time and
>> > resources developing new programs for newer and less experienced
>> > racers. You will see these "Beginning Racer Programs" and racing
>> > mentorships popping up at many of our local events. Attending a BRP is
>> > where you can learn "HOW" to race your bike in a friendly,
>> > non-threatening environment. If you are an organizer that is
>> > interested in adding a BRP to your event, please contact Sean Wilson
>> > at seanwilson@scnca.com
>> > This has been a tough year for the SCNCA, membership was down, rider
>> > days were down, and reasons for that are many, there is not just one
>> > thing driving the downturn.
>> > On an up note, we are making headway with juniors entering the sport,
>> > and support for juniors has been VERY positive, track participation is
>> > up, we had a great yearend party with Seth Davidson and friends, and
>> > we have another year to continue to do good things.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Brian Abers via OBRA
>> > wrote:
>> >> As both a private and Team USA cycling coach and competitor, I am very concerned about the direction OBRA is heading, the loss of races, and how its leadership is dealing with theses issues. Lack of transparency in what the board is doing, as well as questionable focus in direction and organization should be of concern to us all, which is why I am endorsing Norrene Godfrey, and would urge the OBRA membership to read her posted bio, and cast their votes for her as board member in the current election this weekend. Having worked with Norrene as a rider, coach and in the somewhat contentious relationship with USAC track and PVC committees, I am confident she will be a strong voice for the ridership of OBRA. Thank you for your consideration
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> OBRA mailing list
>> >> obra@list.obra.org
>> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kenji Sugahara
>> > Executive Director
>> > Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>> > Phone: 503-278-5550
>> > http://www.obra.org
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > OBRA mailing list
>> > obra@list.obra.org
>> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Marek Litinsky

2017-01-24

I have few ideas how to "grow" our little pond of cycling. And by "growth" I don't necessarily mean attracting new riders by meddling mediocrity by making things easier but instead making races harder and more challenging. Kinda like gran fondos. What?!? You say? I'll explain.

Sports go through bust and boom cycles like many other areas of human interests. Cycling is not an exception. I've been lucky enough to participate and compete in few different activities through out my life and got to experience all of them on relatively high level growing up in Czechoslovakia.

I've seen ski clubs come and go, cycling teams being formed and dissolved and skateparks being built and later torn down. I've also seen Czech and Slovak skiers repeatedly reach top ten in World Cup, Czech and Slovak skaters being in world wide magazines and getting paid for goofing around on plank of wood and Czech and Slovak cyclists winning few bike races over the years. You guys heard of that Sagan dude, right?

In skiing I was member of generation that had few guys (including my dad) that realized that riding on tiny, mellow Czech mountains with snow coverage lasting few month will never lead to quality racing. There was a boom of parents who managed to put their whole life on hold both personally and financially, formed elite teams and basically moved to Alps (in my case months of van camping in snow) and trained like the best. When we came back, those of us who had success saw their clubs blossom, attracting new talent and few generations of racers later we are out there with the rest of the world. Also help and growth didn't come from official racing organization. Do it yourself, do it the hard way and results will follow. Oh, and there's only one category for racers from the age fifteen. There was so many naysayers that wanted more programs for kids and beginners rather than supporting elite level. They were wrong.

In skateboarding it's little bit different but it's still relatively same. There were few skateparks built in the nineties that were really easy to ride and very beginner friendly. Nobody really liked them after a while and most people who started riding quit very soon. It was never any Skateboarding association or even park building company that made things happened. People who reached out to their town leaderships and forged ways with mayors explaining to them that hard to ride parks that are not made for beginners are the way to go. I was one of those teenagers going to town meetings and halls and eventually ended making sure we had hard to ride park. Within a year there was a crowd of riders and star emerged. Few more exceptional rides followed. Participation was and is up. How many categories are there? One or two. Amateurs and Sponsored. No coddling mediocrity. People who wanted make things easy and accessible were wrong.

Czech cycling always had all what I keep talking about. Very few age categories. All adults racing together separated not by "category" but instead ranking allowing them to race. 140 guys in State Championship. Kinda fun. Here in the States it is very different. Coddling mediocrity by having multiple silly categories doesn't serve growth. Combining fields (making them larger and harder to race) leads to more exciting and fun racing. Have you ever raced any Gran Fondo? It's one giant field of racers. So much fun. And it's hard. You have fun when it's hard. No wonder that events that are actually fun are on come up while "racers" insist we need more people racing in Cat 4 masters 45-48 field. Make racing hard and fun and give support to elite riders who win these things.

Not sure (from experience) if it will lead anywhere to expect changes from official racing organization. OBRA can't even do that as they said many times. And to be clear I do think that OBRA does amazing job facilitating races and organize the whole behind the scene shebang. Nothing but respect to judges and all officials out there. Progress is up to promoters (you know, anybody who wants to reach out to possible venue and forge ways with cities, property owners etc.) to make things happen and make things hard and thus fun. It is up to racers to show up at those events (and yes, I'll be racing any and all Gran Fondos I could handle just like I did in past few years). I'm not angry at Gorge Roubaix organizer. I'll try to line up. I am however laughing at folks soliciting "donations" from teams to race additional $5000 to keep our silly extra race for twelve special categories as it is really short term solution and slap in face of every other race organizer out there who wouldn't hold the whole OBRA hostage for $5000 on top of race fees. Again it didn't come from promoter themselves but it just doesn't make sense to have TWO races for extra one time $5000 fee when there's already one amazing Gravel Grinder in Gorge lined up. Where could OBRA help? By recognizing racing in those events as racing. Come up with formula how combination of size of the field and participation of high ranking riders could produce meaningful results. Award winners of hard races, gran fondos, grinders or whatever you want to call it.

I believe that would make it more fun for everybody and lead to growth.

Sorry about the rant. Just my two cents.

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 5:44 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara via OBRA wrote:
>
> I totally understand where Brian is coming from. In the past when
> times were good and we racing was popular, no one had any issues.
> However, racing is facing a significant downturn nationwide. We are
> not the only ones- and like everyone else, we have seen a decline in
> traditional racing. Indicative of this is a letter that was sent out
> to one of the stronger racing regions- the SCNCA (see below).
> Traditionally we took a hands off approach with "let the market
> decide".
>
> However, with the downturn it became apparent that we needed to work
> better and have everyone on the same page. To that end we made some
> structural changes so we can work smarter and collaborate much more
> effectively. Whereas many of us operated in silos, it became apparent
> that we needed to have everyone on the same page. We began using an
> online collaboration tool this fall that has been effective in
> generating ideas and getting people talking. We had a strategic
> planning session with promoters to highlight some of the priorities of
> group and help shape the calendar. Joel is working on a number of
> initiatives including outreach to many community organizations and
> many groups that wouldn't commonly be associated with bike racing- and
> we hired Jen Featheringill as well to replace Charlie. We have had
> folks like Adam Artner step up and offer to help. We are constantly
> encouraging promoters to try new ideas. While some may question and
> ask whether we are a bike racing organization anymore- we need to
> continue to innovate and try new ideas. With changing demographics,
> changing training patterns and changing in our environments, we need
> to continue to adapt.
>
> Races are getting harder and harder to put on with a triple whammy of
> increasing costs to run the races (our costs to promoters have
> remained static for 10 years), more difficulty obtaining permits, and
> changing tastes in events. We are working on both the local, state,
> and national level to try to help with some of the issues- engaging
> with people to address issues with obtaining permits and opening up
> new areas for trails and events. Further, we have been working with
> our partners in the tourism industry to help promoters with both
> funding and other opportunities.
>
> Oftentimes we work in the background, doing our day-to-day things.
> Answering e-mails, meeting with people and generally making the whole
> organization run. Can we do better to communicate? Absolutely- and
> we'll continually work on it. If you can help us, please do! We're
> always open to feedback and ideas.
>
> We should take a second to thank all those involved- as our
> organization would not run without the selfless and devoted people.
> Mike, Candi, Catherine, Joel, Jen, Tony, Kevin, Kelli, Andrea- and of
> course all of our board members, officials and promoters.
>
> But most importantly- thanks to all of YOU!
>
> k-
>
>
>
> "On behalf of the SCNCA BoD, I would like to welcome you to another
> year of racing in the Southern California/Southern Nevada Cycling
> Association.
> Calendars for both the SoCal Cup(still confirming a number of events)
> and races within our association can be found at www.SCNCA.com
> If you will notice, most of your favorite races are still going
> strong, with some exceptions. We have lost a number of good races,
> notably road races, and some very good criteriums due to the lack of
> participation and the cost of doing business. Our racing customer base
> is changing and there is a need to service our long term competitors,
> as well as those who have not been in the sport for very long. It is
> difficult to do both with consistency because riders want different
> things, have different goals. One thing I know for sure, and that is
> that we need much better participation and support at our road events
> or these will be a thing of the past. Road Races are costly to
> organize, even those that are bare bone events.
> New races are also a difficult venture, as Organizers find themselves
> having high expectations and little return in way of participation and
> support from USA Cycling (as we have a free market and competition
> with another event on the same day is very difficult, especially for a
> new race).
> As we all know, bike racing is a difficult sport with a very high rate
> of attrition. Grand Fondos and fun rides are on the rise, and I think
> we all understand why they are so attractive, especially to new
> riders. So in an effort to make bike racing more attractive and fun
> for newer riders, the SCNCA has spent a significant amount of time and
> resources developing new programs for newer and less experienced
> racers. You will see these "Beginning Racer Programs" and racing
> mentorships popping up at many of our local events. Attending a BRP is
> where you can learn "HOW" to race your bike in a friendly,
> non-threatening environment. If you are an organizer that is
> interested in adding a BRP to your event, please contact Sean Wilson
> at seanwilson@scnca.com
> This has been a tough year for the SCNCA, membership was down, rider
> days were down, and reasons for that are many, there is not just one
> thing driving the downturn.
> On an up note, we are making headway with juniors entering the sport,
> and support for juniors has been VERY positive, track participation is
> up, we had a great yearend party with Seth Davidson and friends, and
> we have another year to continue to do good things.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Brian Abers via OBRA
> wrote:
>> As both a private and Team USA cycling coach and competitor, I am very concerned about the direction OBRA is heading, the loss of races, and how its leadership is dealing with theses issues. Lack of transparency in what the board is doing, as well as questionable focus in direction and organization should be of concern to us all, which is why I am endorsing Norrene Godfrey, and would urge the OBRA membership to read her posted bio, and cast their votes for her as board member in the current election this weekend. Having worked with Norrene as a rider, coach and in the somewhat contentious relationship with USAC track and PVC committees, I am confident she will be a strong voice for the ridership of OBRA. Thank you for your consideration
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
>
> --
> Kenji Sugahara
> Executive Director
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> Phone: 503-278-5550
> http://www.obra.org
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org


Robert

2017-01-24

It’s great that things are being done to promote bike racing here. But
unless you tell us, we don't know. Communication to the membership has
been abysmal. The website is years out of date, the Facebook and
twitter accounts average less than one post a day. We haven't heard
from Joel (who is he? what does he do? What projects is he working
on?) We haven't (until now - which is the most detailed accounting of
what is going on in I can't remember how long...) heard from you, Kenji,
about what is going on and what you are doing. I’m not suggesting that
you are not doing anything, but without any communication (like what
happened to the newsletter?) we are left to wonder.

John Klupar and Norrene Godfrey finally realized that no help was going
to from the leadership with respect to the track, and took matters into
their own hands. We are on the path, hopefully, to renewed participation
at the track. Norrene not only has the management skills and
experience, but is an excellent communicator. She will be very adept at
communicating with the membership about the efforts to reinvigorate
bicycle racing.

I fully support Norrene Godfrey for the OBRA board of directors.

On 1/23/2017 17:44, T. Kenji Sugahara via OBRA wrote:
> I totally understand where Brian is coming from. In the past when
> times were good and we racing was popular, no one had any issues.
> However, racing is facing a significant downturn nationwide. We are
> not the only ones- and like everyone else, we have seen a decline in
> traditional racing. Indicative of this is a letter that was sent out
> to one of the stronger racing regions- the SCNCA (see below).
> Traditionally we took a hands off approach with "let the market
> decide".
>
> However, with the downturn it became apparent that we needed to work
> better and have everyone on the same page. To that end we made some
> structural changes so we can work smarter and collaborate much more
> effectively. Whereas many of us operated in silos, it became apparent
> that we needed to have everyone on the same page. We began using an
> online collaboration tool this fall that has been effective in
> generating ideas and getting people talking. We had a strategic
> planning session with promoters to highlight some of the priorities of
> group and help shape the calendar. Joel is working on a number of
> initiatives including outreach to many community organizations and
> many groups that wouldn't commonly be associated with bike racing- and
> we hired Jen Featheringill as well to replace Charlie. We have had
> folks like Adam Artner step up and offer to help. We are constantly
> encouraging promoters to try new ideas. While some may question and
> ask whether we are a bike racing organization anymore- we need to
> continue to innovate and try new ideas. With changing demographics,
> changing training patterns and changing in our environments, we need
> to continue to adapt.
>
> Races are getting harder and harder to put on with a triple whammy of
> increasing costs to run the races (our costs to promoters have
> remained static for 10 years), more difficulty obtaining permits, and
> changing tastes in events. We are working on both the local, state,
> and national level to try to help with some of the issues- engaging
> with people to address issues with obtaining permits and opening up
> new areas for trails and events. Further, we have been working with
> our partners in the tourism industry to help promoters with both
> funding and other opportunities.
>
> Oftentimes we work in the background, doing our day-to-day things.
> Answering e-mails, meeting with people and generally making the whole
> organization run. Can we do better to communicate? Absolutely- and
> we'll continually work on it. If you can help us, please do! We're
> always open to feedback and ideas.
>
> We should take a second to thank all those involved- as our
> organization would not run without the selfless and devoted people.
> Mike, Candi, Catherine, Joel, Jen, Tony, Kevin, Kelli, Andrea- and of
> course all of our board members, officials and promoters.
>
> But most importantly- thanks to all of YOU!
>
> k-
>
>
>
> "On behalf of the SCNCA BoD, I would like to welcome you to another
> year of racing in the Southern California/Southern Nevada Cycling
> Association.
> Calendars for both the SoCal Cup(still confirming a number of events)
> and races within our association can be found at www.SCNCA.com
> If you will notice, most of your favorite races are still going
> strong, with some exceptions. We have lost a number of good races,
> notably road races, and some very good criteriums due to the lack of
> participation and the cost of doing business. Our racing customer base
> is changing and there is a need to service our long term competitors,
> as well as those who have not been in the sport for very long. It is
> difficult to do both with consistency because riders want different
> things, have different goals. One thing I know for sure, and that is
> that we need much better participation and support at our road events
> or these will be a thing of the past. Road Races are costly to
> organize, even those that are bare bone events.
> New races are also a difficult venture, as Organizers find themselves
> having high expectations and little return in way of participation and
> support from USA Cycling (as we have a free market and competition
> with another event on the same day is very difficult, especially for a
> new race).
> As we all know, bike racing is a difficult sport with a very high rate
> of attrition. Grand Fondos and fun rides are on the rise, and I think
> we all understand why they are so attractive, especially to new
> riders. So in an effort to make bike racing more attractive and fun
> for newer riders, the SCNCA has spent a significant amount of time and
> resources developing new programs for newer and less experienced
> racers. You will see these "Beginning Racer Programs" and racing
> mentorships popping up at many of our local events. Attending a BRP is
> where you can learn "HOW" to race your bike in a friendly,
> non-threatening environment. If you are an organizer that is
> interested in adding a BRP to your event, please contact Sean Wilson
> at seanwilson@scnca.com
> This has been a tough year for the SCNCA, membership was down, rider
> days were down, and reasons for that are many, there is not just one
> thing driving the downturn.
> On an up note, we are making headway with juniors entering the sport,
> and support for juniors has been VERY positive, track participation is
> up, we had a great yearend party with Seth Davidson and friends, and
> we have another year to continue to do good things.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Brian Abers via OBRA
> wrote:
>> As both a private and Team USA cycling coach and competitor, I am very concerned about the direction OBRA is heading, the loss of races, and how its leadership is dealing with theses issues. Lack of transparency in what the board is doing, as well as questionable focus in direction and organization should be of concern to us all, which is why I am endorsing Norrene Godfrey, and would urge the OBRA membership to read her posted bio, and cast their votes for her as board member in the current election this weekend. Having worked with Norrene as a rider, coach and in the somewhat contentious relationship with USAC track and PVC committees, I am confident she will be a strong voice for the ridership of OBRA. Thank you for your consideration
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>


Adam Angert

2017-01-23

I think Michael Richardson is spot on.
While CX has thrived the other disciplines are rapidly disappearing.
What's the OBRA strategy to deal with this? I think that question would leave most obra members scratching their head.


T. Kenji Sugahara

2017-01-24

I totally understand where Brian is coming from. In the past when
times were good and we racing was popular, no one had any issues.
However, racing is facing a significant downturn nationwide. We are
not the only ones- and like everyone else, we have seen a decline in
traditional racing. Indicative of this is a letter that was sent out
to one of the stronger racing regions- the SCNCA (see below).
Traditionally we took a hands off approach with "let the market
decide".

However, with the downturn it became apparent that we needed to work
better and have everyone on the same page. To that end we made some
structural changes so we can work smarter and collaborate much more
effectively. Whereas many of us operated in silos, it became apparent
that we needed to have everyone on the same page. We began using an
online collaboration tool this fall that has been effective in
generating ideas and getting people talking. We had a strategic
planning session with promoters to highlight some of the priorities of
group and help shape the calendar. Joel is working on a number of
initiatives including outreach to many community organizations and
many groups that wouldn't commonly be associated with bike racing- and
we hired Jen Featheringill as well to replace Charlie. We have had
folks like Adam Artner step up and offer to help. We are constantly
encouraging promoters to try new ideas. While some may question and
ask whether we are a bike racing organization anymore- we need to
continue to innovate and try new ideas. With changing demographics,
changing training patterns and changing in our environments, we need
to continue to adapt.

Races are getting harder and harder to put on with a triple whammy of
increasing costs to run the races (our costs to promoters have
remained static for 10 years), more difficulty obtaining permits, and
changing tastes in events. We are working on both the local, state,
and national level to try to help with some of the issues- engaging
with people to address issues with obtaining permits and opening up
new areas for trails and events. Further, we have been working with
our partners in the tourism industry to help promoters with both
funding and other opportunities.

Oftentimes we work in the background, doing our day-to-day things.
Answering e-mails, meeting with people and generally making the whole
organization run. Can we do better to communicate? Absolutely- and
we'll continually work on it. If you can help us, please do! We're
always open to feedback and ideas.

We should take a second to thank all those involved- as our
organization would not run without the selfless and devoted people.
Mike, Candi, Catherine, Joel, Jen, Tony, Kevin, Kelli, Andrea- and of
course all of our board members, officials and promoters.

But most importantly- thanks to all of YOU!

k-

"On behalf of the SCNCA BoD, I would like to welcome you to another
year of racing in the Southern California/Southern Nevada Cycling
Association.
Calendars for both the SoCal Cup(still confirming a number of events)
and races within our association can be found at www.SCNCA.com
If you will notice, most of your favorite races are still going
strong, with some exceptions. We have lost a number of good races,
notably road races, and some very good criteriums due to the lack of
participation and the cost of doing business. Our racing customer base
is changing and there is a need to service our long term competitors,
as well as those who have not been in the sport for very long. It is
difficult to do both with consistency because riders want different
things, have different goals. One thing I know for sure, and that is
that we need much better participation and support at our road events
or these will be a thing of the past. Road Races are costly to
organize, even those that are bare bone events.
New races are also a difficult venture, as Organizers find themselves
having high expectations and little return in way of participation and
support from USA Cycling (as we have a free market and competition
with another event on the same day is very difficult, especially for a
new race).
As we all know, bike racing is a difficult sport with a very high rate
of attrition. Grand Fondos and fun rides are on the rise, and I think
we all understand why they are so attractive, especially to new
riders. So in an effort to make bike racing more attractive and fun
for newer riders, the SCNCA has spent a significant amount of time and
resources developing new programs for newer and less experienced
racers. You will see these "Beginning Racer Programs" and racing
mentorships popping up at many of our local events. Attending a BRP is
where you can learn "HOW" to race your bike in a friendly,
non-threatening environment. If you are an organizer that is
interested in adding a BRP to your event, please contact Sean Wilson
at seanwilson@scnca.com
This has been a tough year for the SCNCA, membership was down, rider
days were down, and reasons for that are many, there is not just one
thing driving the downturn.
On an up note, we are making headway with juniors entering the sport,
and support for juniors has been VERY positive, track participation is
up, we had a great yearend party with Seth Davidson and friends, and
we have another year to continue to do good things.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Brian Abers via OBRA
wrote:
> As both a private and Team USA cycling coach and competitor, I am very concerned about the direction OBRA is heading, the loss of races, and how its leadership is dealing with theses issues. Lack of transparency in what the board is doing, as well as questionable focus in direction and organization should be of concern to us all, which is why I am endorsing Norrene Godfrey, and would urge the OBRA membership to read her posted bio, and cast their votes for her as board member in the current election this weekend. Having worked with Norrene as a rider, coach and in the somewhat contentious relationship with USAC track and PVC committees, I am confident she will be a strong voice for the ridership of OBRA. Thank you for your consideration
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Brian Abers

2017-01-23

As both a private and Team USA cycling coach and competitor, I am very concerned about the direction OBRA is heading, the loss of races, and how its leadership is dealing with theses issues. Lack of transparency in what the board is doing, as well as questionable focus in direction and organization should be of concern to us all, which is why I am endorsing Norrene Godfrey, and would urge the OBRA membership to read her posted bio, and cast their votes for her as board member in the current election this weekend. Having worked with Norrene as a rider, coach and in the somewhat contentious relationship with USAC track and PVC committees, I am confident she will be a strong voice for the ridership of OBRA. Thank you for your consideration