I've been suggesting BMI for years. A reference chart at registration & the honor system are all that's really needed. A scale & tape measure if you're picky (or suspicious).
There are very few good reasons someone heavy but visibly thinner should be able to race clydes. Like someone offensively tall and barely over 200# for example. Jerks.
However, rules are rules and until they change...
Isn't this why we have Cat 5?
Also my BMI puts me in the Overweight category. Are there going to be cash prizes for this new road cat?
I think it should be by BMI. Just weight is unfair to short fat guys.
Mike
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Higher for men :)
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From: "stevea.long"
Date: 1/31/17 11:02 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: "jon.ragsdale" , Robert ,
Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA <
obra@list.obra.org>
Cc: thompsok@loswego.k12.or.us
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Sweet.
Should it weights be any lower for road racing or stick with the cx
categories?
Like maybe 190 men, 150 women?
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-------- Original message --------
From: "jon.ragsdale"
Date:01/31/2017 10:07 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: "stevea.long" , Robert ,
Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA <
obra@list.obra.org>
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Clyde is over 200, Athena I think is over 160
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From: "stevea.long via OBRA"
Date: 1/31/17 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: "stevea.long" , Robert ,
Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA <
obra@list.obra.org>
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
I can't find the definition of clydsdale though. I need it for both men and
women
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From: "stevea.long via OBRA"
Date:01/31/2017 9:30 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Robert , Norm Swygert ,
Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Whaaat? I like his idea. I was thinking about adding that category, both
for women and men, to the Barton Park Circuit Race. More to follow.
Steve Long
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-------- Original message --------
From: Robert via OBRA
Date:01/31/2017 8:47 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA <
obra@list.obra.org>
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Race Track. No hills.
--
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On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA <
obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog
that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and
diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet
rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate.
Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I
would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races.
This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over
dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence
would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a
happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon
farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out
with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the
venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1
policy, where F=Feast, too?
Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to
200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending
to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have
an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
But... let us also think of the potential increase in public
acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of
praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the
present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into
the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that
curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of
cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken
aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us
renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men
and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon
that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall
repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction
for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our
strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at
dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the
coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then
take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion
partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely
to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
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The bottom line here is more people riding or racing their bikes!
ron
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Cc: Marek Litinsky ; stevea.long ; Norm Swygert via OBRA ; Norm Swygert
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Lotsa fast moms in OBRA in fact. I've been obliterated by many.
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On Jan 31, 2017, at 12:06 PM, via OBRA wrote:
We have no self-respect! Your mother may not even be able to get past security checkpoints these days, but if she could, we would welcome her on the course and cheer her on!
I remember a neat little drawing a first grader gave to me with a big green blob in the middle of a brown mass with the words under it.......
“Take your time like Slime”. Kids get it. The race (however slow) is the important part. That slime will start and finish in the slime cat.
Marek.....you can race elite and have lots of fun (nobody slower wants to deny you that), but let the slower racers heading for the bottom have some fun too. You might just be there some day! Let us lazy, fat jerks race our bikes. We sure want you to race! Does not have to be all or nothing. People (young and old) come to racing from lots of different places. Fewer walls please.
ronnie
From: Marek Litinsky via OBRA
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:15 AM
To: stevea.long
Cc: Norm Swygert via OBRA ; Norm Swygert
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Is the race towards the bottom of racing culture ever gonna slow down around here?Weight categories in road racing? Why don't we just walk the bikes on flat grass and hiss on anybody who skip and jump even once? Like suuuuuper slow. That way my mom could race too. I'll fly her in for that because this wouldn't be a go in any country with developed race cycling culture with self respect.
On Jan 31, 2017, at 11:02 AM, stevea.long via OBRA wrote:
Sweet.
Should it weights be any lower for road racing or stick with the cx categories?
Like maybe 190 men, 150 women?
Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: "jon.ragsdale"
Date:01/31/2017 10:07 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: "stevea.long" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Clyde is over 200, Athena I think is over 160
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-------- Original message --------
From: "stevea.long via OBRA"
Date: 1/31/17 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: "stevea.long" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
I can't find the definition of clydsdale though. I need it for both men and women
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-------- Original message --------
From: "stevea.long via OBRA"
Date:01/31/2017 9:30 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Whaaat? I like his idea. I was thinking about adding that category, both for women and men, to the Barton Park Circuit Race. More to follow.
Steve Long
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-------- Original message --------
From: Robert via OBRA
Date:01/31/2017 8:47 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Race Track. No hills.
--
Sent by an Android >^•^<
On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA wrote:
Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation. But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too? Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.--------------------------------------------------------------------------OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org_______________________________________________
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Lotsa fast moms in OBRA in fact. I've been obliterated by many.
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On Jan 31, 2017, at 12:06 PM, via OBRA > wrote:
We have no self-respect! Your mother may not even be able to get past security checkpoints these days, but if she could, we would welcome her on the course and cheer her on!
I remember a neat little drawing a first grader gave to me with a big green blob in the middle of a brown mass with the words under it.......
“Take your time like Slime”. Kids get it. The race (however slow) is the important part. That slime will start and finish in the slime cat.
Marek.....you can race elite and have lots of fun (nobody slower wants to deny you that), but let the slower racers heading for the bottom have some fun too. You might just be there some day! Let us lazy, fat jerks race our bikes. We sure want you to race! Does not have to be all or nothing. People (young and old) come to racing from lots of different places. Fewer walls please.
ronnie
From: Marek Litinsky via OBRA
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:15 AM
To: stevea.long
Cc: Norm Swygert via OBRA ; Norm Swygert
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Is the race towards the bottom of racing culture ever gonna slow down around here?Weight categories in road racing? Why don't we just walk the bikes on flat grass and hiss on anybody who skip and jump even once? Like suuuuuper slow. That way my mom could race too. I'll fly her in for that because this wouldn't be a go in any country with developed race cycling culture with self respect.
On Jan 31, 2017, at 11:02 AM, stevea.long via OBRA wrote:
Sweet.
Should it weights be any lower for road racing or stick with the cx categories?
Like maybe 190 men, 150 women?
Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: "jon.ragsdale"
Date:01/31/2017 10:07 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: "stevea.long" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Clyde is over 200, Athena I think is over 160
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-------- Original message --------
From: "stevea.long via OBRA"
Date: 1/31/17 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: "stevea.long" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
I can't find the definition of clydsdale though. I need it for both men and women
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-------- Original message --------
From: "stevea.long via OBRA"
Date:01/31/2017 9:30 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Whaaat? I like his idea. I was thinking about adding that category, both for women and men, to the Barton Park Circuit Race. More to follow.
Steve Long
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-------- Original message --------
From: Robert via OBRA
Date:01/31/2017 8:47 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Race Track. No hills.
--
Sent by an Android >^•^<
On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA wrote:
Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too?
Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
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We have no self-respect! Your mother may not even be able to get past security checkpoints these days, but if she could, we would welcome her on the course and cheer her on!
I remember a neat little drawing a first grader gave to me with a big green blob in the middle of a brown mass with the words under it.......
“Take your time like Slime”. Kids get it. The race (however slow) is the important part. That slime will start and finish in the slime cat.
Marek.....you can race elite and have lots of fun (nobody slower wants to deny you that), but let the slower racers heading for the bottom have some fun too. You might just be there some day! Let us lazy, fat jerks race our bikes. We sure want you to race! Does not have to be all or nothing. People (young and old) come to racing from lots of different places. Fewer walls please.
ronnie
From: Marek Litinsky via OBRA
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:15 AM
To: stevea.long
Cc: Norm Swygert via OBRA ; Norm Swygert
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Is the race towards the bottom of racing culture ever gonna slow down around here?Weight categories in road racing? Why don't we just walk the bikes on flat grass and hiss on anybody who skip and jump even once? Like suuuuuper slow. That way my mom could race too. I'll fly her in for that because this wouldn't be a go in any country with developed race cycling culture with self respect.
On Jan 31, 2017, at 11:02 AM, stevea.long via OBRA wrote:
Sweet.
Should it weights be any lower for road racing or stick with the cx categories?
Like maybe 190 men, 150 women?
Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: "jon.ragsdale"
Date:01/31/2017 10:07 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: "stevea.long" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Clyde is over 200, Athena I think is over 160
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-------- Original message --------
From: "stevea.long via OBRA"
Date: 1/31/17 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: "stevea.long" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
I can't find the definition of clydsdale though. I need it for both men and women
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-------- Original message --------
From: "stevea.long via OBRA"
Date:01/31/2017 9:30 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Whaaat? I like his idea. I was thinking about adding that category, both for women and men, to the Barton Park Circuit Race. More to follow.
Steve Long
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-------- Original message --------
From: Robert via OBRA
Date:01/31/2017 8:47 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Race Track. No hills.
--
Sent by an Android >^•^<
On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA wrote:
Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation. But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too? Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.----------------------------------------------------------------------------OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org_______________________________________________
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Is the race towards the bottom of racing culture ever gonna slow down around here?Weight categories in road racing? Why don't we just walk the bikes on flat grass and hiss on anybody who skip and jump even once? Like suuuuuper slow. That way my mom could race too. I'll fly her in for that because this wouldn't be a go in any country with developed race cycling culture with self respect.
> On Jan 31, 2017, at 11:02 AM, stevea.long via OBRA wrote:
>
> Sweet.
> Should it weights be any lower for road racing or stick with the cx categories?
> Like maybe 190 men, 150 women?
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "jon.ragsdale"
> Date:01/31/2017 10:07 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: "stevea.long" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
>
> Clyde is over 200, Athena I think is over 160
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "stevea.long via OBRA"
> Date: 1/31/17 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: "stevea.long" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
>
> I can't find the definition of clydsdale though. I need it for both men and women
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "stevea.long via OBRA"
> Date:01/31/2017 9:30 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
>
> Whaaat? I like his idea. I was thinking about adding that category, both for women and men, to the Barton Park Circuit Race. More to follow.
>
> Steve Long
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Robert via OBRA
> Date:01/31/2017 8:47 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
>
> Race Track. No hills.
> --
> Sent by an Android >^•^<
>
>> On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA wrote:
>> Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
>>
>> But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too?
>>
>> Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
>>
>> But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
>>
>> Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
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Higher for men :)
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-------- Original message --------From: "stevea.long" Date: 1/31/17 11:02 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "jon.ragsdale" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA Cc: thompsok@loswego.k12.or.us Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Sweet. Should it weights be any lower for road racing or stick with the cx categories? Like maybe 190 men, 150 women?
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-------- Original message --------From: "jon.ragsdale" Date:01/31/2017 10:07 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "stevea.long" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA Cc: Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Clyde is over 200, Athena I think is over 160
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-------- Original message --------From: "stevea.long via OBRA" Date: 1/31/17 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "stevea.long" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
I can't find the definition of clydsdale though. I need it for both men and women
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-------- Original message --------From: "stevea.long via OBRA" Date:01/31/2017 9:30 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA Cc: Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Whaaat? I like his idea. I was thinking about adding that category, both for women and men, to the Barton Park Circuit Race. More to follow.
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-------- Original message --------From: Robert via OBRA Date:01/31/2017 8:47 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA Cc: Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Race Track. No hills.
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On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA wrote:
Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too?
Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
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Sweet.
Should it weights be any lower for road racing or stick with the cx categories?
Like maybe 190 men, 150 women?
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
I can't find the definition of clydsdale though. I need it for both men and women
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Date:01/31/2017 9:30 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Whaaat? I like his idea. I was thinking about adding that category, both for women and men, to the Barton Park Circuit Race. More to follow.
Steve Long
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From: Robert via OBRA
Date:01/31/2017 8:47 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Race Track. No hills.
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On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA wrote:
Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too?
Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
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Clyde is over 200, Athena I think is over 160
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-------- Original message --------From: "stevea.long via OBRA" Date: 1/31/17 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "stevea.long" , Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
I can't find the definition of clydsdale though. I need it for both men and women
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-------- Original message --------From: "stevea.long via OBRA" Date:01/31/2017 9:30 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Robert , Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA Cc: Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Whaaat? I like his idea. I was thinking about adding that category, both for women and men, to the Barton Park Circuit Race. More to follow.
Steve Long
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-------- Original message --------From: Robert via OBRA Date:01/31/2017 8:47 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA Cc: Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Race Track. No hills.
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On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA wrote:
Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too?
Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
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I can't find the definition of clydsdale though. I need it for both men and women
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From: Robert via OBRA
Date:01/31/2017 8:47 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Norm Swygert , Norm Swygert via OBRA
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Race Track. No hills.
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On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA wrote:
Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too?
Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
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Whaaat? I like his idea. I was thinking about adding that category, both for women and men, to the Barton Park Circuit Race. More to follow.
Steve Long
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On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA wrote:
Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too?
Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
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I think "Pork and Squash" is a fantastic name for a cycling team.
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> LOL. You are new to this whole thing that's clear ;)
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Robert via OBRA
> wrote:
>
>> Race Track. No hills.
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>>
>> On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA <
>> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
>>>
>>> But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too?
>>>
>>> Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
>>>
>>> But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
>>>
>>> Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
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LOL. You are new to this whole thing that's clear ;)
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> On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>>
>> Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
>>
>> But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too?
>>
>> Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
>>
>> But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
>>
>> Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
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On January 30, 2017 10:46:00 PM PST, Norm Swygert via OBRA wrote:
>Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog
>that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and
>diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
>
>But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet
>rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps
>it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to
>see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would
>help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight
>from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from
>the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy,
>stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer,
>brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie
>watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1
>equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where
>F=Feast, too?
>
>Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to
>200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending
>to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have
>an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
>
>But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance
>and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in
>society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day
>peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge
>hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that
>curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of
>cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken
>aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us
>renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men
>and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon
>that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall
>repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for
>us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong
>bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk,
>rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit
>of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of
>the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
>
>Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion
>partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely
>to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
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They already have that; it's called Cat 3. I am a seemingly permanent
member.
- Erik
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Norm Swygert via OBRA
wrote:
> Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog
> that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and
> diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
>
> But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet
> rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps
> it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see
> an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me
> greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the
> low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt,
> ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the
> vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good,
> sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most
> of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not
> adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too?
>
> Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+
> pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a
> healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an
> audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
>
> But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance
> and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in
> society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day
> peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills
> or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous
> cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing
> his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new
> embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and
> confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few
> hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these
> cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and
> squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine
> after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return
> to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks
> shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit
> fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
>
> Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion
> partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to
> lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
>
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Still fairly new to Oregon and to bike racing, I appreciate the dialog that's happening here. Cycling is evolving and the skirmishing and diplomacy are surely crucial to adaptation.
But, to be selfish for a moment, I'd like to suggest a narrow --yet rounded in sense-- idea for road race promoters to contemplate. Perhaps it's been done before (most things have after all), but I would love to see an Open Clydesdale category for all OBRA road races. This would help me greatly in that I would no longer fret over dropping weight from 175 to the low 160's. Instead, my daily existence would turn from the hair shirt, ascetic, calorie-restricting Hell to a happy, stress-free welcoming of the vast, fresh bounty of the Oregon farmer, brewer and wine maker. Good, sumptuous food and drink! Out with calorie watching, IN with calories! Most of us observe the venerable N + 1 equation of bicycle inventory. Why not adopt an F + 1 policy, where F=Feast, too?
Indeed, is it not a novel thing to relish the GOAL of stepping up to 200+ pounds as a dedicated roadie? Bulking up muscle mass and tending to a healthy store of belly and subcutaneous fat. Promoters, you have an audience here! OK, it may only be an audience of one...
But... let us also think of the potential increase in public acceptance and supprt of the roadie cyclist as as a figure worthy of praise in society. No longer the scrawny, bird-framed figure of the present day peloton, but a burly and strong being! Imagine riding into the gorge hills or other perimeter lands --and there!, Ho! there that curmudeonous cattleman who cursed us a thousand times! Long-sore of cyclists obstructing his tractors en route to the range is now taken aback: on seeing this new embodiment of the roadie, he finds us renewed, resplendent --and confidently asks the peloton "Yo, good men and women, might ye spare a few hands to throw hay for an afternoon that I might have enough to feed these cattle through winter? I shall repay ye a goodly portion in pork and squash." And the satisfaction for us, my possible burly friends? Imagine after having lent our strong bodies to the farmer and his work, we return to our bicycles at dusk, rolling home in quiet rotation, pork flanks shouldered, the coarse grit of the farm interlaced into our fine kit fibers, we then take supper of the pork and squash. Beer too +1.
Although I do feel peckish too frequently, I've made this suggestion partly in jest. If there is something good in it, perhaps it's merely to lighten the mood, or to twist open the thinking.
Every year we put out an All Call for officials. Usually around the annual meeting. We reduced the annual Team membership for teams that sent people to training. But after training they fail to help at events. That requirement needs to be added and the discount needs to be not as steep as it currently is.
But at least one more time throughout the year we plead for people to help. Our pool of officials is diminishing, just like the pool of races. I believe that currently we have less than 5 that can officiate the track. I see requests for volunteers from race organizers almost every week.
Lisa, maybe since you are new to the organization you have missed these pleas. They have been there for many many years.
Candi
From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Eriksson via OBRA
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 10:53 AM
To: Jordan Staples
Cc: Obra Chat
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Road Races
Jordan,
In all fairness, this is the first time I'm seeing these discussions out in the open. This past week is really the first time I'm hearing the full problems being laid out and explained, thanks to promoters speaking up. This may have been very clear and out in the open to you as an official and well involved in OBRA, but to common folk like myself, it wasn't.
Perhaps you didn't read my entire message, I specifically said
"Sounds like we need to rally the troops and fight back on some of these things, not shake our fists in the air and accept, no?
Here's a perfect opportunity for our community to get involved. "
With all due respect, OBRA is a governing body for bike racing in Oregon and needs to lobby for our rights, but we are a community and I think we would all like to help (see my response as well as Benjamin Beckerish's response)
I think your response is a bit harsh and uncalled for as we are willing to help, we just need leadership to be leaders and to be giving us the information.
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jordan Staples via OBRA wrote:
Its's incredibly hard to keep biting my tongue on this one.
I think the question that needs to be asked is WHAT ARE YOU going to for YOUR community. It sounds like a few people have some good ideas however its not OBRA's responsibility to come to the rescue. Before people get up in arms I ask you to look in the mirror and ask what have you done to help your community.
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I'm fairly new to OBRA, but sounds like there's some long standing issues
and pain points...
I'll be at the annual meeting and I look forward to learning how I can help
and be involved.
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:59 AM, jordan staples
wrote:
> Lisa,
>
> My message was directed for everyone who has posted in the last week
> providing all different types of feedback. Systematically this time of year
> we see the same questions asked as it's annual meeting time. What fails to
> happen is any follow through or execution outside of email banter. We have
> one of the easiest communities in which to ask questions and get answers
> yet it seems people are less than thrilled with actually putting forth the
> effort needed to make a change that we end up discussing like "Lance
> Doping" or "cross tire choices"
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Lisa Eriksson
> wrote:
>
> Jordan,
> In all fairness, this is the first time I'm seeing these discussions out
> in the open. This past week is really the first time I'm hearing the full
> problems being laid out and explained, thanks to promoters speaking up.
> This may have been very clear and out in the open to you as an official and
> well involved in OBRA, but to common folk like myself, it wasn't.
> Perhaps you didn't read my entire message, I specifically said
> *"Sounds like we need to rally the troops and fight back on some of these
> things, not shake our fists in the air and accept, no? *
> *Here's a perfect opportunity for our community to get involved. "*
>
> With all due respect, OBRA is a governing body for bike racing in Oregon
> and needs to lobby for our rights, but we are a community and I think we
> would all like to help (see my response as well as Benjamin Beckerish's
> response)
>
> I think your response is a bit harsh and uncalled for as we are willing to
> help, we just need leadership to be leaders and to be giving us the
> information.
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jordan Staples via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>
> Its's incredibly hard to keep biting my tongue on this one.
>
>
>
>
>
> I think the question that needs to be asked is WHAT ARE YOU going to for
> YOUR community. It sounds like a few people have some good ideas however
> its not OBRA's responsibility to come to the rescue. Before people get up
> in arms I ask you to look in the mirror and ask what have you done to help
> your community.
>
>
>
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>
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Lisa,
My message was directed for everyone who has posted in the last week providing all different types of feedback. Systematically this time of year we see the same questions asked as it's annual meeting time. What fails to happen is any follow through or execution outside of email banter. We have one of the easiest communities in which to ask questions and get answers yet it seems people are less than thrilled with actually putting forth the effort needed to make a change that we end up discussing like "Lance Doping" or "cross tire choices"
> On Jan 27, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Lisa Eriksson wrote:
>
> Jordan,
> In all fairness, this is the first time I'm seeing these discussions out in the open. This past week is really the first time I'm hearing the full problems being laid out and explained, thanks to promoters speaking up. This may have been very clear and out in the open to you as an official and well involved in OBRA, but to common folk like myself, it wasn't.
> Perhaps you didn't read my entire message, I specifically said
> "Sounds like we need to rally the troops and fight back on some of these things, not shake our fists in the air and accept, no?
> Here's a perfect opportunity for our community to get involved. "
>
> With all due respect, OBRA is a governing body for bike racing in Oregon and needs to lobby for our rights, but we are a community and I think we would all like to help (see my response as well as Benjamin Beckerish's response)
>
> I think your response is a bit harsh and uncalled for as we are willing to help, we just need leadership to be leaders and to be giving us the information.
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jordan Staples via OBRA wrote:
> Its's incredibly hard to keep biting my tongue on this one.
>
>
>
>
>
> I think the question that needs to be asked is WHAT ARE YOU going to for YOUR community. It sounds like a few people have some good ideas however its not OBRA's responsibility to come to the rescue. Before people get up in arms I ask you to look in the mirror and ask what have you done to help your community.
>
>
>
>
>
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Jordan,
In all fairness, this is the first time I'm seeing these discussions out in
the open. This past week is really the first time I'm hearing the full
problems being laid out and explained, thanks to promoters speaking up.
This may have been very clear and out in the open to you as an official and
well involved in OBRA, but to common folk like myself, it wasn't.
Perhaps you didn't read my entire message, I specifically said
*"Sounds like we need to rally the troops and fight back on some of these
things, not shake our fists in the air and accept, no? *
*Here's a perfect opportunity for our community to get involved. "*
With all due respect, OBRA is a governing body for bike racing in Oregon
and needs to lobby for our rights, but we are a community and I think we
would all like to help (see my response as well as Benjamin Beckerish's
response)
I think your response is a bit harsh and uncalled for as we are willing to
help, we just need leadership to be leaders and to be giving us the
information.
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jordan Staples via OBRA <
obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
Its's incredibly hard to keep biting my tongue on this one.
I think the question that needs to be asked is WHAT ARE YOU going to for
YOUR community. It sounds like a few people have some good ideas however
its not OBRA's responsibility to come to the rescue. Before people get up
in arms I ask you to look in the mirror and ask what have you done to help
your community.
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Just a few ideas for all those email thinkers....
1. show up to the annual meeting
2. volunteer at an event/events
3. become an official
4. get involved
5. take time to step off the bike a few times a year to be proactive not reactive
You cannot affect change or help if you never make the move.....
We'll written Jordan!
> On Jan 27, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Jordan Staples via OBRA wrote:
>
> Its's incredibly hard to keep biting my tongue on this one.
>
> I think the question that needs to be asked is WHAT ARE YOU going to for YOUR community. It sounds like a few people have some good ideas however its not OBRA's responsibility to come to the rescue. Before people get up in arms I ask you to look in the mirror and ask what have you done to help your community.
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Long game-
I'm working with Travel Oregon in an Outdoor Recreation Leadership team
group that is working on identifying issues that are barriers to outdoor
recreation and coming up with a strategy to align interests and address the
issues. Permits are high on the list. The ban on new events on Mt. Hood
is high on the list.
I'm also engaged with a number of outdoor recreation groups and industry
leaders (REI, Keen, Columbia, Mazamas) among others exploring the idea of
an Office of Outdoor Recreation at the state. The idea is that this office
would help advocate for outdoor recreation and coordinate many different
stakeholders. Currently, Rep. Mark Johnson out of Hood River has
placeholder legislation to address the issue.
The biggest hurdle is the funding that is required, but we're hoping to
attach it to another piece of legislation that is addressing funding for
another state agency. But, the state budget is looking grim and it may
have fallen down the priority list.
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Lisa Eriksson via OBRA
wrote:
> What is OBRA doing to lobby against the raising permit fees and road use
> restrictions? Anything? Any plans?
> Sounds like we need to rally the troops and fight back on some of these
> things, not shake our fists in the air and accept, no?
> Here's a perfect opportunity for our community to get involved.
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Scott Damon via OBRA
> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks to David Saltzberg for the Piece of Cake and Silverton RR, we
>> appreciate your hard work and efforts to not lose more RR in Oregon.
>> Reading the latest posts I wonder how many racers are willing to step up
>> and help road racing by working to preserve present races and adding more
>> to the calendar. It's easy to yak; lots of yakking going on all over the
>> country on different issues; action gets things done. Washington isn't
>> losing RR as fast as Oregon; why not? How about every team that's large
>> enough put on one race? How about helping promote an existing race? This
>> isn't FB people, I'm talking about road racing. Are we going to watch it
>> disappear, like some interesting blurb on FB or some other social media? I
>> hear things like burnout, other kinds of bike racing, hard to get permits,
>> etc. Road Racing has survived through challenges greater than these, but
>> will it survive complacency?
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Its's incredibly hard to keep biting my tongue on this one.
I think the question that needs to be asked is WHAT ARE YOU going to for YOUR community. It sounds like a few people have some good ideas however its not OBRA's responsibility to come to the rescue. Before people get up in arms I ask you to look in the mirror and ask what have you done to help your community.
YES.... also would like an answer to this one.
How can I help with this? If it costs $40 gapping Gs to put on a race, sounds like that's THE problem right there - and a fixable one. They can legislate away an entire sport.
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> On Jan 27, 2017, at 08:56, Lisa Eriksson via OBRA wrote:
>
> What is OBRA doing to lobby against the raising permit fees and road use restrictions? Anything? Any plans?
> Sounds like we need to rally the troops and fight back on some of these things, not shake our fists in the air and accept, no?
> Here's a perfect opportunity for our community to get involved.
>
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Scott Damon via OBRA wrote:
>> Many thanks to David Saltzberg for the Piece of Cake and Silverton RR, we appreciate your hard work and efforts to not lose more RR in Oregon. Reading the latest posts I wonder how many racers are willing to step up and help road racing by working to preserve present races and adding more to the calendar. It's easy to yak; lots of yakking going on all over the country on different issues; action gets things done. Washington isn't losing RR as fast as Oregon; why not? How about every team that's large enough put on one race? How about helping promote an existing race? This isn't FB people, I'm talking about road racing. Are we going to watch it disappear, like some interesting blurb on FB or some other social media? I hear things like burnout, other kinds of bike racing, hard to get permits, etc. Road Racing has survived through challenges greater than these, but will it survive complacency?
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What is OBRA doing to lobby against the raising permit fees and road use
restrictions? Anything? Any plans?
Sounds like we need to rally the troops and fight back on some of these
things, not shake our fists in the air and accept, no?
Here's a perfect opportunity for our community to get involved.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Scott Damon via OBRA
wrote:
> Many thanks to David Saltzberg for the Piece of Cake and Silverton RR, we
> appreciate your hard work and efforts to not lose more RR in Oregon.
> Reading the latest posts I wonder how many racers are willing to step up
> and help road racing by working to preserve present races and adding more
> to the calendar. It's easy to yak; lots of yakking going on all over the
> country on different issues; action gets things done. Washington isn't
> losing RR as fast as Oregon; why not? How about every team that's large
> enough put on one race? How about helping promote an existing race? This
> isn't FB people, I'm talking about road racing. Are we going to watch it
> disappear, like some interesting blurb on FB or some other social media? I
> hear things like burnout, other kinds of bike racing, hard to get permits,
> etc. Road Racing has survived through challenges greater than these, but
> will it survive complacency?
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Many thanks to David Saltzberg for the Piece of Cake and Silverton RR, we appreciate your hard work and efforts to not lose more RR in Oregon. Reading the latest posts I wonder how many racers are willing to step up and help road racing by working to preserve present races and adding more to the calendar. It's easy to yak; lots of yakking going on all over the country on different issues; action gets things done. Washington isn't losing RR as fast as Oregon; why not? How about every team that's large enough put on one race? How about helping promote an existing race? This isn't FB people, I'm talking about road racing. Are we going to watch it disappear, like some interesting blurb on FB or some other social media? I hear things like burnout, other kinds of bike racing, hard to get permits, etc. Road Racing has survived through challenges greater than these, but will it survive complacency?
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