Beet juice & HR zones

Stretchy PantGuy

February 17, 2017 at 11:07 PM

I'd heard caffeine and beet juice were banned during an emergency meeting at the UCI's December conference, voted in with overwhelming support from the US, Russian and British cycling associations, and over the objections of the French conference, and on the condition no one, including USAC, would implement the rule until a reliable test for beet juice and coffee could be developed.

I believe there is an exception for single speed cyclocross.

I can not speak to any benefit beet juice has provided me. I tried it once, for the PDX Ronde, but can't say it helped me at all - I was probably one of the last ten people to finish. Finishing was good, but I don't credit the beet juice.

Robert

On Feb 17, 2017, 7:58 AM -0800, My Computer , wrote:
> Didn't USAC ban beet juice for this very reason? Something to the effect of:
>
> "...due to heart rate clamping, training zone sweeping and RPE irrelevancy, beet juice is now considered an illegal performance enhancing substance as it has the potential to turn Cat 3 racers into professional cobble stone, Fabian Cancellara crushers...."
>
> Or something to that effect...
>
> N
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 7:41 AM, "Stretchy PantGuy via OBRA" wrote:
> > Actual training / racing question here....
> >
> > Q: What max HR adjustments do you make to allow for training / competing with beet juice?
> >
> > On beet juice, my heart rate doesn't rise to max HR - no higher than 80% of normal. Beet juice feels like a clamp on my heart rate. It sweeps away the meaning of my training zones. Even makes irrelevant my understanding of my perceived effort.
> >
> > Since I don't have a wattage meter to reference, do I assume all numbers are 20% lower than actual when I drink the stuff? Or should I instead be trying to push my HR back up to known maximums while drinking beet juice?
> >
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My Computer

February 17, 2017 at 7:58 AM

Didn't USAC ban beet juice for this very reason? Something to the effect
of:

"...due to heart rate clamping, training zone sweeping and RPE irrelevancy,
beet juice is now considered an illegal performance enhancing substance as
it has the potential to turn Cat 3 racers into professional cobble stone,
Fabian Cancellara crushers...."

Or something to that effect...

N

On Feb 17, 2017 7:41 AM, "Stretchy PantGuy via OBRA"
wrote:

Actual training / racing question here....

Q: What max HR adjustments do you make to allow for training / competing
with beet juice?

On beet juice, my heart rate doesn't rise to max HR - no higher than 80% of
normal. Beet juice feels like a clamp on my heart rate. It sweeps away the
meaning of my training zones. Even makes irrelevant my understanding of my
perceived effort.

Since I don't have a wattage meter to reference, do I assume all numbers
are 20% lower than actual when I drink the stuff? Or should I instead be
trying to push my HR back up to known maximums while drinking beet juice?

Robert Synak

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Stretchy PantGuy

February 17, 2017 at 7:40 AM

Actual training / racing question here....

Q: What max HR adjustments do you make to allow for training / competing with beet juice?

On beet juice, my heart rate doesn't rise to max HR - no higher than 80% of normal. Beet juice feels like a clamp on my heart rate. It sweeps away the meaning of my training zones. Even makes irrelevant my understanding of my perceived effort.

Since I don't have a wattage meter to reference, do I assume all numbers are 20% lower than actual when I drink the stuff? Or should I instead be trying to push my HR back up to known maximums while drinking beet juice?

Robert Synak