Matt Martel

To Mike's question, "Would you support no or smaller prize lists in
exchange for lower entry fees?" YES

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 4:40 PM, J Bravard via OBRA
wrote:

> I'm hardly racing these days, but even when I was racing more I wouldn't
> hesitate to support lower entry fees for less or no cash payout.
>
> On Mar 24, 2017 1:25 PM, "Mike Murray via OBRA"
> wrote:
>
>> I have noted that over the past several years there has been a shift from
>> prize lists provided by sponsors to prize lists supported by entry fees.
>> This raises the question:
>>
>> Would you support no or smaller prize lists in exchange for lower entry
>> fees?
>>
>> Mike Murray
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J Bravard

I'm hardly racing these days, but even when I was racing more I wouldn't
hesitate to support lower entry fees for less or no cash payout.

On Mar 24, 2017 1:25 PM, "Mike Murray via OBRA" wrote:

> I have noted that over the past several years there has been a shift from
> prize lists provided by sponsors to prize lists supported by entry fees.
> This raises the question:
>
> Would you support no or smaller prize lists in exchange for lower entry
> fees?
>
> Mike Murray
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rond..@spiritone.com

Steve,
If there are people out there (probably very small number) who believe
promoters should not be making a profit, no biggie. As you said, tons of
work and hours go into putting on a race. All aspects of the work are
important for the race to take place. It is not like one gets the permit
then the prize money (or whatever) just materializes. I take the long view.
OBRA is doing an outstanding job of providing the framework for races to
take place. They promote the sport by helping it take place. Promoters,
volunteers, community members, businesses, friends and family are the core
of what makes a race happen. That will continue if the race is a positive
experience, thus gets the support from racers and backers of the promoter.
A lot needs to be in place for races to happen and continue. Many
(including my little volunteer self) don't have a clue about all the work
involved. It is easy criticize.
I was not racing when you promoted, but I would imagine a good time was had
by many back in the day. It still happens today.
Thanks for all the work you put into racing.
ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Scarich via OBRA
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:23 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Prize List vs. Entry Fee

Best Prize: that's easy....a Cherry Pie

I promoted somewhere between 50 and 100 races (road and mtb) back in the
80's and 90's. Prize Lists varied between $500 and $20,000+. I had a
degree in marketing and worked in Sales my whole life. One of my guiding
principles in race promotion was to always have my 'nut' (the entire cost of
the event, including prizes), covered BEFORE the race even happened. That
way, if I had poor turnout (that happened sometimes), I would do no worse
than break even. Some events, my cash sponsorship exceeded my nut, so I
knew I would make a profit, no matter what. So, when I hear that promoters
depend on entry fees to cover part of their nut, I am a bit shocked. Maybe
it is harder to get sponsors now (I'm sure it is), but the current entry
fees amaze me. I know some will judge me for wanting to make a profit, and
that is their right. There were events where I put in literally hundreds of
hours of my time getting sponsorship, course approvals, recruiting
volunteers ,etc etc.

Steve Scarich
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Steve Scarich

Best Prize: that's easy....a Cherry Pie

I promoted somewhere between 50 and 100 races (road and mtb) back in the 80's and 90's. Prize Lists varied between $500 and $20,000+. I had a degree in marketing and worked in Sales my whole life. One of my guiding principles in race promotion was to always have my 'nut' (the entire cost of the event, including prizes), covered BEFORE the race even happened. That way, if I had poor turnout (that happened sometimes), I would do no worse than break even. Some events, my cash sponsorship exceeded my nut, so I knew I would make a profit, no matter what. So, when I hear that promoters depend on entry fees to cover part of their nut, I am a bit shocked. Maybe it is harder to get sponsors now (I'm sure it is), but the current entry fees amaze me. I know some will judge me for wanting to make a profit, and that is their right. There were events where I put in literally hundreds of hours of my time getting sponsorship, course approvals, recruiting volunteers ,etc etc.

Steve Scarich
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Jake Witty

Best prize was getting the Kona Longboard from being the only junior to do
Karaoke at Estacada '07 I believe...

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Jeff Baertsch via OBRA
wrote:

> While I'm not a top level racer, every time I've been on the podium I
> enjoy small knick knacks donated by sponsors more.
>
> I appreciate both, but the cash is usually a nominal amount that gets
> spent at a cash only taqueria for a burrito that's devoured in a few
> minutes.
>
> Small knick knacks like socks, gloves, cowbell medals, etc I still have
> and are nice little reminders of the great time I had.
>
> If I was chasing cash in the local amateur circuit, I'd just give up
> racing and save myself thousands of dollars.
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Robert via OBRA
> wrote:
>
>> Every trophy I won, goofy or otherwise, I still have. Any cash I won is
>> long gone. I have never raced for the money. Eliminate the cash payout, and
>> get some trophies.
>>
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>> On March 24, 2017 12:56:33 PM PDT, Mike Murray via OBRA <
>> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have noted that over the past several years there has been a shift from prize lists provided by sponsors to prize lists supported by entry fees. This raises the question:
>>>
>>> Would you support no or smaller prize lists in exchange for lower entry fees?
>>>
>>> Mike Murray
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Jeff Baertsch

While I'm not a top level racer, every time I've been on the podium I enjoy
small knick knacks donated by sponsors more.

I appreciate both, but the cash is usually a nominal amount that gets spent
at a cash only taqueria for a burrito that's devoured in a few minutes.

Small knick knacks like socks, gloves, cowbell medals, etc I still have and
are nice little reminders of the great time I had.

If I was chasing cash in the local amateur circuit, I'd just give up racing
and save myself thousands of dollars.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Robert via OBRA wrote:

> Every trophy I won, goofy or otherwise, I still have. Any cash I won is
> long gone. I have never raced for the money. Eliminate the cash payout, and
> get some trophies.
>
> --
> Sent by an Android >^•^<
>
> On March 24, 2017 12:56:33 PM PDT, Mike Murray via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have noted that over the past several years there has been a shift from prize lists provided by sponsors to prize lists supported by entry fees. This raises the question:
>>
>> Would you support no or smaller prize lists in exchange for lower entry fees?
>>
>> Mike Murray
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Robert

Every trophy I won, goofy or otherwise, I still have. Any cash I won is long gone. I have never raced for the money. Eliminate the cash payout, and get some trophies.

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On March 24, 2017 12:56:33 PM PDT, Mike Murray via OBRA wrote:
>I have noted that over the past several years there has been a shift
>from prize lists provided by sponsors to prize lists supported by entry
>fees. This raises the question:
>
>Would you support no or smaller prize lists in exchange for lower entry
>fees?
>
>Mike Murray
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Mike Murray

I have noted that over the past several years there has been a shift from prize lists provided by sponsors to prize lists supported by entry fees. This raises the question:

Would you support no or smaller prize lists in exchange for lower entry fees?

Mike Murray
Sent from a mobile device.