christine
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Sending this on behalf of my husband who is not on OBRA chat, but wanted to chime in...
From: Steven
To: Mike Murray
Mike,
Even though my team pays for the entry fee I would be more than happy to forgo a prize list to get a lower entry fee.
BTW: Attention promoters, ~90% of us will NEVER win a prize so don't worry if you do not have a prize list, that's not why we race.
Secondly, if you do have a prize list, I personally would have zero interest in a trophy a ribbon or a medal. No offense to any promoter out there but I have not kept one single trophy, ribbon or medal over the last 25 years of racing. If you "were" going to have a prize list I would always prefer cash over anything else. Remember you can buy anything you want with cash, unlike some prizes that you might not want or it might not fit or whatever. Gift certificates are nice, also.
Lastly, if a promoter decides to have a cash prize list, then simply have the prize list be based on percentage of the entry fees for each category...the bigger the category, the bigger the prize list, the smaller the category, the smaller the prize list, etc. regardless of age, category, or, gender. This would solve the gender and/or age inequity prize list issue. Reward those who show up without randomness, but on the numbers.
Coolest thing I ever won, a $350 fork at Cascade Classic crit, sold it the next day for $150...........
Steven R Holland
From: "jon.ragsdale via OBRA" >
Date: March 24, 2017 at 1:35:39 PM HST
To: dan@bicyclerepairman.us, Robert >
Cc: Mike Murray via OBRA >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] What's the coolest thing you ever won? (was Prize list vs. entry fee)
Reply-To: jon.ragsdale >
My daughter won a hammer from the Hammer Velo Crit.
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From: via OBRA >
Date: 3/24/17 3:58 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Robert >
Cc: Mike Murray via OBRA >
Subject: [OBRA Chat] What's the coolest thing you ever won? (was Prize list vs. entry fee)
Back when I might get on a poduim, I always liked winning bike parts. It
was random like a tire or a stem and maybe I couldn't use the part but I
could always sell it. Shops usually have random stuff they are willing
to donate. I also still have a string of ribbons from the '80s most of
which were given to me by Phil Sanders. He filled out the tag on the
back with the event, date and yes, even the finishing time. Another
favorite was a lithograph from Larch Mt TT made by R.B. Bushman. Sadly
it was destroyed in a remodeling accident.
I also won a steak dinner and $30 at a Cooper Spur MTB race.
On 2017-03-24 15:09, Robert via OBRA wrote:
> Every trophy I won, goofy or otherwise, I still have. Any cash I won
> is long gone. I have never raced for the money. Eliminate the cash
> payout, and get some trophies.
>
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> On March 24, 2017 12:56:33 PM PDT, Mike Murray via OBRA
> > wrote:
>
>> I have noted that over the past several years there has been a shift
>> from prize lists provided by sponsors to prize lists supported by
>> entry fees. This raises the question:
>>
>> Would you support no or smaller prize lists in exchange for lower
>> entry fees?
>>
>> Mike Murray
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