Starting Rule - One foot down.

Mike Murray

October 11, 2017 at 9:44 AM

The start manner for mass start freewheel bike races is traditionally one
foot down. Starting with both feet in when all around you are starting with
one foot down is obviously against the rule even if a specific start manner
is not explicitly stated. Yes you could be penalized for refusing the held
start in a TT although that would rarely be done since a one foot down start
would be slower. Technically an "everyone track stand" start would be legal
although it would be a logistic nightmare unless the field size is very
small. Imagine all the restarts as people fall, bump into each other, etc. I
have done criteriums that had a rolling start, like a track race. I don't
recommend that as it is generally a mess as riders bunch behind a pace
vehicle. I once watched the track Nationals at Northbrook where they tried
to start all the riders for the 10 mile with a held start with holders
spread across the width of the track. It was a disaster as riders bumped
into the multiple holders and fell. I think they had to restart 5 times
before they got a clean start.

Mike

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If you read what the rule says, "everyone should start in the same manner".
So unless a race official announces it is a "one foot down start" whose to
say what the start manner is? If you want to be a rules lawyer on this one,
in a TT start with a holder it would be a penalty if you chose to decline
the hold. Does the rule say the official could not mandate everyone start
from a track stand? Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
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My Computer

October 10, 2017 at 10:40 PM

Silly indeed, one the the fundamental things that makes cross what it is.
Now riding around barriers, I'm all for that :)

On Oct 10, 2017 10:12 PM, "Erik Voldengen via OBRA"
wrote:

It's (at least) one foot down. The officials will call you on it if they
see it. Everyone knows this, silly to argue about it.

- Erik

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:05 PM, Matt Mallet via OBRA
wrote:

> If you read what the rule says, "everyone should start in the same
> manner". So unless a race official announces it is a "one foot down start"
> whose to say what the start manner is? If you want to be a rules lawyer on
> this one, in a TT start with a holder it would be a penalty if you chose to
> decline the hold. Does the rule say the official could not mandate
> everyone start from a track stand? Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
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Brian OBRA

October 10, 2017 at 10:39 PM

Yes. I look for that before I start a race.

> On Oct 10, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Erik Voldengen via OBRA wrote:
>
> It's (at least) one foot down. The officials will call you on it if they see it. Everyone knows this, silly to argue about it.
>
>
> - Erik
>
>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:05 PM, Matt Mallet via OBRA wrote:
>> If you read what the rule says, "everyone should start in the same manner". So unless a race official announces it is a "one foot down start" whose to say what the start manner is? If you want to be a rules lawyer on this one, in a TT start with a holder it would be a penalty if you chose to decline the hold. Does the rule say the official could not mandate everyone start from a track stand? Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
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Erik Voldengen

October 10, 2017 at 10:05 PM

It's (at least) one foot down. The officials will call you on it if they
see it. Everyone knows this, silly to argue about it.

- Erik

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:05 PM, Matt Mallet via OBRA
wrote:

> If you read what the rule says, "everyone should start in the same
> manner". So unless a race official announces it is a "one foot down start"
> whose to say what the start manner is? If you want to be a rules lawyer on
> this one, in a TT start with a holder it would be a penalty if you chose to
> decline the hold. Does the rule say the official could not mandate
> everyone start from a track stand? Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
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Matt Mallet

October 10, 2017 at 9:05 PM

If you read what the rule says, "everyone should start in the same manner". So unless a race official announces it is a "one foot down start" whose to say what the start manner is? If you want to be a rules lawyer on this one, in a TT start with a holder it would be a penalty if you chose to decline the hold. Does the rule say the official could not mandate everyone start from a track stand? Don't hate the playa, hate the game.


Brad Davidson

October 10, 2017 at 2:17 PM

This is good mailing list fodder, hope lots of folks see it. I have had to
remind someone near me in the starting chute about it maybe every other
race so far this year. Might be time to stick it in the "through all coned
and taped areas" spiel that we hear (and is talked over) at the start of
every race?

-Brad

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Chip Sloan via OBRA
wrote:

> For the Masters 1/2 rider that didn't believe me that is was illegal to be
> fully clipped in prior to the start of the race on Sunday here you go,
> straight outta the rule book:
>
>
> 9.5 Manner of start All riders will start in the same manner (with
> holders, with one foot on the ground, rolling start, etc.).
>
>
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> Chip
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Chip Sloan

October 10, 2017 at 11:18 AM

For the Masters 1/2 rider that didn't believe me that is was illegal to be
fully clipped in prior to the start of the race on Sunday here you go,
straight outta the rule book:

9.5 Manner of start All riders will start in the same manner (with holders,
with one foot on the ground, rolling start, etc.).

Chip