OBRA: OBRA Chat: We need more Bend CX races

Ron Strasser

2017-10-23

I accept blame. Am also deleting all these messages right now. moving on. deal with a cross race when I see it posted.
ron

From: Eric Aldinger
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 5:55 PM
To: Ron Strasser
Cc: Michael ; EAL ; Scott Jones ; Adam Bergerson ; Ron Strasser via OBRA ; Jeff Johnston
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] We need more Bend CX races

Oh no. Now I am on a thread about when is it to early to CX!!!!

Strasser! I blame you. :)

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Ron Strasser via OBRA wrote:

Support is good for races, but some people can only do one race per weekend....and except for “halloween crunch time weekend” coming up, there could have easily been some family adventures taking place yesterday. Of course there was a pumpkin patch right next door to Crossword.....I assume one close to Psycho.
I do not fall for the replace BB story at Psyco vs Crossword. There have been many BB repair / replacements (as well as hubs and headsets) as a result of a season of cross racing in general. I will be surprised if we do not have some lakes today at Heron.
If the weather is supportive, water can be a significant part of a cross course. Although.....Crossword was the deepest and had the most current I have experienced. It was a very good course! Lots of sketchy sections to keep us on our game. Remember a course is the same for everybody.
Sunday 6:30 AM. Not raining and calm next to U. of Portland.
ron

From: Michael
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 11:08 PM
To: EAL ; Scott Jones ; Adam Bergerson ; Ron Strasser ; Ron Strasser via OBRA
Cc: Jeff Johnston ; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] We need more Bend CX races

Yes, I’m also disappointed about the low turnout at Crossword! It was a great course today, super challenging, and in my opinion much more interesting than Heron Lakes....
From SW (Multnomah Village, Beaverton, Tigard etc.) Crossword/Canby is practically the same distance as going to Heron! Come on OBRA peeps we need to support the Crossword race!

M.Y.

From: EAL via OBRA
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:25 PM
To: Scott Jones ; Adam Bergerson ; Ron Strasser ; Ron Strasser via OBRA
Cc: Jeff Johnston
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] We need more Bend CX races

Good points, Ron. I will just add one thing. I am surprised about the relatively low turnout at Crossword. Folks, I have to tell you that you're really missing an extremely fun course. And it's close to PDX and Salem. Honestly, it's just down the road. Give it a try next year if you've not done it.

Ed

On Saturday, October 21, 2017, 9:20:30 PM PDT, Ron Strasser via OBRA wrote:

Everyone has different comfort levels with regard to the races they undertake. Some love the dry, warmer early ones (not me) while others enjoy the mud and cooler weather. Then you have the more extreme temps in Dec. / Jan. and July. Unless someone wants to put on some cross races in the spring (compete with road and mtb however), it seem there is only the window we have here regarding dates (weekend cross begins in Sept.) or weekday races before that...if they get turnout to be sustainable. I would not like to see participation in road or mtb races decline, but if there were cross like races in the spring close to me, I would be most inclined to take part. But I am only one person.
Over all, I think we have a great cyclocross schedule in which to participate. The scene has evolved with regard to venues and promoters, but even though we have lost some most excellent venues, others have come on line that just rock it. I still have fond memories of so many that we do not race anymore (including Astoria Amory...you folks coming from Bend amaze me!). Many on chat could list courses that they just loved, but some that seem like venues we have done forever really have not been used for that long. Like I said however...they are amazing. Because of the hard work of the promoters, crew sponsors and obra we get these experiences. Just remember that putting on a race takes way more time and hard work than most of us realize. There are people out there in promoter land, volunteer land and obra official land who go way-way beyond giving. Their willingness to give so much cannot be measured. Remember to thank them when you see them at the races.
Yes Ed. I remember the Golf Course venue in south Salem. I think we got to do that two years. I did a major shoulder plant trying to come out of one of the sand traps. It was a great course....not as tough as the old Salem Hospital grounds however. Today at CrossWord I kept thinking about that Jimmy Cliff song.....Many Rivers to Cross.
More water features tomorrow with or without Herons.
as long as my body holds up,
ron

From: Scott Jones via OBRA
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 8:44 PM
To: Adam Bergerson
Cc: Eric Aldinger via OBRA ; Jeff Johnston
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] We need more Bend CX races

Is cyclocross in August even Cyclocross? I like the September 1 window. Maybe make it later in the season when the real mud has arrived!

Thank you,

Scott Jones

Sam Barlow High School
Head Coach - Track & Field

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On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Adam Bergerson via OBRA wrote:

Keizer Rapids is only “defunct” because OBRA won’t allow cross races prior to September 1st.

- Adam

On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:07 PM, EAL via OBRA wrote:

I am sure you'd get a pretty good contingent of PDX racers if the series was early in the year (replacing the defunct Keizer Rapids series) or late in the year, since CCX season ends so early here. I, for one, had already signed up for the Brasada race and I suspect I was hardly a lone Willamette Valley racer.

Side note: Ron, remember the two years we had a CCX race at that golf course in Keizer? That was a really fun course and, in my opinion, the highest and best use for any golf course.

Ed

On Saturday, October 21, 2017, 8:59:55 AM PDT, Eric Aldinger via OBRA wrote:

I could see a small series. I venue in Sisters, one near Smith Rock, one at Maston, and a couple in town. PDX peeps would have the same level of fatigues, but small local races are fine. Just make it a small Saturday series, or midweek.

On Oct 20, 2017 11:35 AM, "Jeff Johnston via OBRA" wrote:

Super bummer that the Brasada race is cancelled. We need more CX races in Bend! I'm growing fatigued from the 5-6 trips to portland every year, which sometimes include snow covered passes, while all the Portland racers get to enjoy a mere 1 weekend of travel to complete the series. I'd whole hardheartedly support a Bend series in October and November, and I'd bet a lot of other Bend racers would as well. We have a good talent pool here in Bend, so I'm confident the racing would be competitive as well. Make it happen TFG and Brad!
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2017-10-23

Oh no. Now I am on a thread about when is it to early to CX!!!!

Strasser! I blame you. :)

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Ron Strasser via OBRA
wrote:

> Support is good for races, but some people can only do one race per
> weekend....and except for “halloween crunch time weekend” coming up, there
> could have easily been some family adventures taking place yesterday. Of
> course there was a pumpkin patch right next door to Crossword.....I assume
> one close to Psycho.
> I do not fall for the replace BB story at Psyco vs Crossword. There have
> been many BB repair / replacements (as well as hubs and headsets) as a
> result of a season of cross racing in general. I will be surprised if we
> do not have some lakes today at Heron.
> If the weather is supportive, water can be a significant part of a cross
> course. Although.....Crossword was the deepest and had the most current I
> have experienced. It was a very good course! Lots of sketchy sections to
> keep us on our game. Remember a course is the same for everybody.
> Sunday 6:30 AM. Not raining and calm next to U. of Portland.
> ron
>
> *From:* Michael
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 21, 2017 11:08 PM
> *To:* EAL ; Scott Jones ; Adam Bergerson ; Ron Strasser ; Ron Strasser
> via OBRA
> *Cc:* Jeff Johnston ; obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] We need more Bend CX races
>
> Yes, I’m also disappointed about the low turnout at Crossword! It was a
> great course today, super challenging, and in my opinion much more
> interesting than Heron Lakes....
> From SW (Multnomah Village, Beaverton, Tigard etc.) Crossword/Canby is
> practically the same distance as going to Heron! Come on OBRA peeps we
> need to support the Crossword race!
>
> M.Y.
>
>
> *From:* EAL via OBRA
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:25 PM
> *To:* Scott Jones ; Adam Bergerson ; Ron Strasser ; Ron Strasser via OBRA
> *Cc:* Jeff Johnston
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] We need more Bend CX races
>
> Good points, Ron. I will just add one thing. I am surprised about the
> relatively low turnout at Crossword. Folks, I have to tell you that you're
> really missing an extremely fun course. And it's close to PDX and Salem.
> Honestly, it's just down the road. Give it a try next year if you've not
> done it.
>
> Ed
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2017, 9:20:30 PM PDT, Ron Strasser via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>
>
> Everyone has different comfort levels with regard to the races they
> undertake. Some love the dry, warmer early ones (not me) while others
> enjoy the mud and cooler weather. Then you have the more extreme temps in
> Dec. / Jan. and July. Unless someone wants to put on some cross races in
> the spring (compete with road and mtb however), it seem there is only the
> window we have here regarding dates (weekend cross begins in Sept.) or
> weekday races before that...if they get turnout to be sustainable. I would
> not like to see participation in road or mtb races decline, but if there
> were cross like races in the spring close to me, I would be most inclined
> to take part. But I am only one person.
> Over all, I think we have a great cyclocross schedule in which to
> participate. The scene has evolved with regard to venues and promoters,
> but even though we have lost some most excellent venues, others have come
> on line that just rock it. I still have fond memories of so many that we
> do not race anymore (including Astoria Amory...you folks coming from Bend
> amaze me!). Many on chat could list courses that they just loved, but some
> that seem like venues we have done forever really have not been used for
> that long. Like I said however...they are amazing. Because of the hard
> work of the promoters, crew sponsors and obra we get these experiences.
> Just remember that putting on a race takes way more time and hard work than
> most of us realize. There are people out there in promoter land, volunteer
> land and obra official land who go way-way beyond giving. Their
> willingness to give so much cannot be measured. Remember to thank them
> when you see them at the races.
> Yes Ed. I remember the Golf Course venue in south Salem. I think we got
> to do that two years. I did a major shoulder plant trying to come out of
> one of the sand traps. It was a great course....not as tough as the old
> Salem Hospital grounds however. Today at CrossWord I kept thinking about
> that Jimmy Cliff song.....Many Rivers to Cross.
> More water features tomorrow with or without Herons.
> as long as my body holds up,
> ron
>
> *From:* Scott Jones via OBRA
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 21, 2017 8:44 PM
> *To:* Adam Bergerson
> *Cc:* Eric Aldinger via OBRA ; Jeff Johnston
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] We need more Bend CX races
>
> Is cyclocross in August even Cyclocross? I like the September 1 window.
> Maybe make it later in the season when the real mud has arrived!
>
>
> *Thank you,*
>
> *Scott Jones*
> *Sam Barlow High School *
> *Head Coach - Track & Field *
> *971.998.2132*
>
> *Go Bruins!*
>
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> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Adam Bergerson via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>
> Keizer Rapids is only “defunct” because OBRA won’t allow cross races prior
> to September 1st.
>
> - Adam
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:07 PM, EAL via OBRA wrote:
>
> I am sure you'd get a pretty good contingent of PDX racers if the series
> was early in the year (replacing the defunct Keizer Rapids series) or late
> in the year, since CCX season ends so early here. I, for one, had already
> signed up for the Brasada race and I suspect I was hardly a lone Willamette
> Valley racer.
>
> Side note: Ron, remember the two years we had a CCX race at that golf
> course in Keizer? That was a really fun course and, in my opinion, the
> highest and best use for any golf course.
>
> Ed
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2017, 8:59:55 AM PDT, Eric Aldinger via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>
>
> I could see a small series. I venue in Sisters, one near Smith Rock, one
> at Maston, and a couple in town. PDX peeps would have the same level of
> fatigues, but small local races are fine. Just make it a small Saturday
> series, or midweek.
>
> On Oct 20, 2017 11:35 AM, "Jeff Johnston via OBRA"
> wrote:
>
> Super bummer that the Brasada race is cancelled. We need more CX races in
> Bend! I'm growing fatigued from the 5-6 trips to portland every year, which
> sometimes include snow covered passes, while all the Portland racers get to
> enjoy a mere 1 weekend of travel to complete the series. I'd whole
> hardheartedly support a Bend series in October and November, and I'd bet a
> lot of other Bend racers would as well. We have a good talent pool here in
> Bend, so I'm confident the racing would be competitive as well. Make it
> happen TFG and Brad!
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Ron Strasser

2017-10-22

Support is good for races, but some people can only do one race per weekend....and except for “halloween crunch time weekend” coming up, there could have easily been some family adventures taking place yesterday. Of course there was a pumpkin patch right next door to Crossword.....I assume one close to Psycho.
I do not fall for the replace BB story at Psyco vs Crossword. There have been many BB repair / replacements (as well as hubs and headsets) as a result of a season of cross racing in general. I will be surprised if we do not have some lakes today at Heron.
If the weather is supportive, water can be a significant part of a cross course. Although.....Crossword was the deepest and had the most current I have experienced. It was a very good course! Lots of sketchy sections to keep us on our game. Remember a course is the same for everybody.
Sunday 6:30 AM. Not raining and calm next to U. of Portland.
ron

From: Michael
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 11:08 PM
To: EAL ; Scott Jones ; Adam Bergerson ; Ron Strasser ; Ron Strasser via OBRA
Cc: Jeff Johnston ; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] We need more Bend CX races

Yes, I’m also disappointed about the low turnout at Crossword! It was a great course today, super challenging, and in my opinion much more interesting than Heron Lakes....
>From SW (Multnomah Village, Beaverton, Tigard etc.) Crossword/Canby is practically the same distance as going to Heron! Come on OBRA peeps we need to support the Crossword race!

M.Y.

From: EAL via OBRA
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:25 PM
To: Scott Jones ; Adam Bergerson ; Ron Strasser ; Ron Strasser via OBRA
Cc: Jeff Johnston
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] We need more Bend CX races

Good points, Ron. I will just add one thing. I am surprised about the relatively low turnout at Crossword. Folks, I have to tell you that you're really missing an extremely fun course. And it's close to PDX and Salem. Honestly, it's just down the road. Give it a try next year if you've not done it.

Ed

On Saturday, October 21, 2017, 9:20:30 PM PDT, Ron Strasser via OBRA wrote:

Everyone has different comfort levels with regard to the races they undertake. Some love the dry, warmer early ones (not me) while others enjoy the mud and cooler weather. Then you have the more extreme temps in Dec. / Jan. and July. Unless someone wants to put on some cross races in the spring (compete with road and mtb however), it seem there is only the window we have here regarding dates (weekend cross begins in Sept.) or weekday races before that...if they get turnout to be sustainable. I would not like to see participation in road or mtb races decline, but if there were cross like races in the spring close to me, I would be most inclined to take part. But I am only one person.
Over all, I think we have a great cyclocross schedule in which to participate. The scene has evolved with regard to venues and promoters, but even though we have lost some most excellent venues, others have come on line that just rock it. I still have fond memories of so many that we do not race anymore (including Astoria Amory...you folks coming from Bend amaze me!). Many on chat could list courses that they just loved, but some that seem like venues we have done forever really have not been used for that long. Like I said however...they are amazing. Because of the hard work of the promoters, crew sponsors and obra we get these experiences. Just remember that putting on a race takes way more time and hard work than most of us realize. There are people out there in promoter land, volunteer land and obra official land who go way-way beyond giving. Their willingness to give so much cannot be measured. Remember to thank them when you see them at the races.
Yes Ed. I remember the Golf Course venue in south Salem. I think we got to do that two years. I did a major shoulder plant trying to come out of one of the sand traps. It was a great course....not as tough as the old Salem Hospital grounds however. Today at CrossWord I kept thinking about that Jimmy Cliff song.....Many Rivers to Cross.
More water features tomorrow with or without Herons.
as long as my body holds up,
ron

From: Scott Jones via OBRA
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 8:44 PM
To: Adam Bergerson
Cc: Eric Aldinger via OBRA ; Jeff Johnston
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] We need more Bend CX races

Is cyclocross in August even Cyclocross? I like the September 1 window. Maybe make it later in the season when the real mud has arrived!

Thank you,

Scott Jones

Sam Barlow High School
Head Coach - Track & Field

971.998.2132

Go Bruins!

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On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Adam Bergerson via OBRA wrote:

Keizer Rapids is only “defunct” because OBRA won’t allow cross races prior to September 1st.

- Adam

On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:07 PM, EAL via OBRA wrote:

I am sure you'd get a pretty good contingent of PDX racers if the series was early in the year (replacing the defunct Keizer Rapids series) or late in the year, since CCX season ends so early here. I, for one, had already signed up for the Brasada race and I suspect I was hardly a lone Willamette Valley racer.

Side note: Ron, remember the two years we had a CCX race at that golf course in Keizer? That was a really fun course and, in my opinion, the highest and best use for any golf course.

Ed

On Saturday, October 21, 2017, 8:59:55 AM PDT, Eric Aldinger via OBRA wrote:

I could see a small series. I venue in Sisters, one near Smith Rock, one at Maston, and a couple in town. PDX peeps would have the same level of fatigues, but small local races are fine. Just make it a small Saturday series, or midweek.

On Oct 20, 2017 11:35 AM, "Jeff Johnston via OBRA" wrote:

Super bummer that the Brasada race is cancelled. We need more CX races in Bend! I'm growing fatigued from the 5-6 trips to portland every year, which sometimes include snow covered passes, while all the Portland racers get to enjoy a mere 1 weekend of travel to complete the series. I'd whole hardheartedly support a Bend series in October and November, and I'd bet a lot of other Bend racers would as well. We have a good talent pool here in Bend, so I'm confident the racing would be competitive as well. Make it happen TFG and Brad!
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