Doug Bowman

I moved here 3 years ago from Michigan and was a little despondent to find the cross season was essentially over by early November (admittedly there was a race here in Corvallis that I did not see in December that year) Psychocross does run into late November. In Michgan we almost always had one cross race in the snow and that was always fun to race in different conditions, I do not personally see much difference between November and December weather here.

> No Craig. We are wimp racers! It is just too nasty outside in winter!
> Actually I would do one in Dec or Jan. However as someone who has
> volunteered at races, setting up and tearing down a course at that time of
> year would be COLD and probably WET. That would be a big message for a
> promoter is racers did not show and make it worthwhile. Oh well.
> If you build a trail, people will ride it. But more people will ride it
> when the conditions are ideal.
> ron

Doug Bowman

Sure

Steven Beardsley

I'm going to need one of those magic brushes...

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:06 AM, craig austin via OBRA
wrote:

> You're right, Ron. I guess it's just a question of what we think are
> "ideal" conditions. For me, the muddier the better.
>
> Craig
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Ron Strasser > wrote:
>
>> No Craig. We are wimp racers! It is just too nasty outside in winter!
>> Actually I would do one in Dec or Jan. However as someone who has
>> volunteered at races, setting up and tearing down a course at that time of
>> year would be COLD and probably WET. That would be a big message for a
>> promoter is racers did not show and make it worthwhile. Oh well.
>> If you build a trail, people will ride it. But more people will ride it
>> when the conditions are ideal.
>> ron
>>
>> *From:* craig austin via OBRA
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 23, 2017 9:39 AM
>> *To:* Robert ; obra@list.obra.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Extend the season into December
>>
>> "By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA."
>>
>> That's a pretty odd comment if you look at the schedule. First road race
>> is March, last is August. That's 6 months.
>>
>> First 'cross race is September, and the last (a single race) is in early
>> December. That's not even 3-1/2 months. Even MTB season is longer than
>> 'cross, with races from April through October.
>>
>> Promoters all say that Oregon racers won't race after November and I'm
>> sure they have the data to back that statement. If we want to race in
>> December, I guess we have to prove to promoters that we can be as tough as
>> the Washington racers. They also start in September, but they have six
>> races in December (only taking the weekends of Christmas and New Year's
>> off) and one in January. The Washington State Championship is a full month
>> after ours, on December 17. That works nicely for Washington racers who
>> plan to attend nationals, which is in Reno in early January. How is an
>> Oregon racer supposed to compete at natz without any racing for the 6 weeks
>> leading up to it? I guess they race in Washington.
>>
>> Northern California's schedule is similar in December and January. NorCal
>> and Washington show up to race when the weather gets bad, but Oregonians
>> don't. Would we, if we had the opportunity?
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Robert via OBRA
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message
>>> From: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Sent: October 23, 2017 07:44
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Reply-to: adamangert@hotmail.com
>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Extend the season into December
>>>
>>> We should just eliminate road season and run cross year-round. Conflict
>>> solved.
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I want to seize this opportunity to encourage everyone looking to ride at race pace in December to come out and train at race intensity on The Sauvie Shootout! We ride year-round at a VERY spirited intensity. A major goal of The Shootout is to help bond the cycling community, grow OBRA membership, race participation and make OBRA races of all disciplines even better!

We meet for coffee around 8:30 and depart promptly at 9AM every Sunday from Ovation Coffee 941 NW Overton. Join the Facebook page for details and updates: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sauvieislandshootout/

Mike Murray

Not by OBRA, but seemingly by OBRA's market.

Mike Murray

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Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 08:23
To: Adam Angert; Adam Angert via OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Extend the season into December

By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA.

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We should just eliminate road season and run cross year-round. Conflict
solved.
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craig austin

You're right, Ron. I guess it's just a question of what we think are
"ideal" conditions. For me, the muddier the better.

Craig

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Ron Strasser
wrote:

> No Craig. We are wimp racers! It is just too nasty outside in winter!
> Actually I would do one in Dec or Jan. However as someone who has
> volunteered at races, setting up and tearing down a course at that time of
> year would be COLD and probably WET. That would be a big message for a
> promoter is racers did not show and make it worthwhile. Oh well.
> If you build a trail, people will ride it. But more people will ride it
> when the conditions are ideal.
> ron
>
> *From:* craig austin via OBRA
> *Sent:* Monday, October 23, 2017 9:39 AM
> *To:* Robert ; obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Extend the season into December
>
> "By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA."
>
> That's a pretty odd comment if you look at the schedule. First road race
> is March, last is August. That's 6 months.
>
> First 'cross race is September, and the last (a single race) is in early
> December. That's not even 3-1/2 months. Even MTB season is longer than
> 'cross, with races from April through October.
>
> Promoters all say that Oregon racers won't race after November and I'm
> sure they have the data to back that statement. If we want to race in
> December, I guess we have to prove to promoters that we can be as tough as
> the Washington racers. They also start in September, but they have six
> races in December (only taking the weekends of Christmas and New Year's
> off) and one in January. The Washington State Championship is a full month
> after ours, on December 17. That works nicely for Washington racers who
> plan to attend nationals, which is in Reno in early January. How is an
> Oregon racer supposed to compete at natz without any racing for the 6 weeks
> leading up to it? I guess they race in Washington.
>
> Northern California's schedule is similar in December and January. NorCal
> and Washington show up to race when the weather gets bad, but Oregonians
> don't. Would we, if we had the opportunity?
>
> Craig
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Robert via OBRA
> wrote:
>
>> By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA.
>>
>>
>> Original Message
>> From: obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: October 23, 2017 07:44
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Reply-to: adamangert@hotmail.com
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Extend the season into December
>>
>> We should just eliminate road season and run cross year-round. Conflict
>> solved.
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Ron Strasser

No Craig. We are wimp racers! It is just too nasty outside in winter!
Actually I would do one in Dec or Jan. However as someone who has volunteered at races, setting up and tearing down a course at that time of year would be COLD and probably WET. That would be a big message for a promoter is racers did not show and make it worthwhile. Oh well.
If you build a trail, people will ride it. But more people will ride it when the conditions are ideal.
ron

From: craig austin via OBRA
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 9:39 AM
To: Robert ; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Extend the season into December

"By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA."

That's a pretty odd comment if you look at the schedule. First road race is March, last is August. That's 6 months.

First 'cross race is September, and the last (a single race) is in early December. That's not even 3-1/2 months. Even MTB season is longer than 'cross, with races from April through October.

Promoters all say that Oregon racers won't race after November and I'm sure they have the data to back that statement. If we want to race in December, I guess we have to prove to promoters that we can be as tough as the Washington racers. They also start in September, but they have six races in December (only taking the weekends of Christmas and New Year's off) and one in January. The Washington State Championship is a full month after ours, on December 17. That works nicely for Washington racers who plan to attend nationals, which is in Reno in early January. How is an Oregon racer supposed to compete at natz without any racing for the 6 weeks leading up to it? I guess they race in Washington.

Northern California's schedule is similar in December and January. NorCal and Washington show up to race when the weather gets bad, but Oregonians don't. Would we, if we had the opportunity?

Craig

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Robert via OBRA wrote:

By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA.

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We should just eliminate road season and run cross year-round. Conflict solved.
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Michael Rosenberg

Starting next year, USA Cycling is bringing nationals back to December. So that won’t be a problem any longer.

Mike

> On Oct 23, 2017, at 9:39 AM, craig austin via OBRA wrote:
>
> "By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA."
>
> That's a pretty odd comment if you look at the schedule. First road race is March, last is August. That's 6 months.
>
> First 'cross race is September, and the last (a single race) is in early December. That's not even 3-1/2 months. Even MTB season is longer than 'cross, with races from April through October.
>
> Promoters all say that Oregon racers won't race after November and I'm sure they have the data to back that statement. If we want to race in December, I guess we have to prove to promoters that we can be as tough as the Washington racers. They also start in September, but they have six races in December (only taking the weekends of Christmas and New Year's off) and one in January. The Washington State Championship is a full month after ours, on December 17. That works nicely for Washington racers who plan to attend nationals, which is in Reno in early January. How is an Oregon racer supposed to compete at natz without any racing for the 6 weeks leading up to it? I guess they race in Washington.
>
> Northern California's schedule is similar in December and January. NorCal and Washington show up to race when the weather gets bad, but Oregonians don't. Would we, if we had the opportunity?
>
> Craig
>
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Robert via OBRA wrote:
>> By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA.
>>
>>
>> Original Message
>> From: obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: October 23, 2017 07:44
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Reply-to: adamangert@hotmail.com
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Extend the season into December
>>
>> We should just eliminate road season and run cross year-round. Conflict solved.
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craig austin

"By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA."

That's a pretty odd comment if you look at the schedule. First road race is
March, last is August. That's 6 months.

First 'cross race is September, and the last (a single race) is in early
December. That's not even 3-1/2 months. Even MTB season is longer than
'cross, with races from April through October.

Promoters all say that Oregon racers won't race after November and I'm sure
they have the data to back that statement. If we want to race in December,
I guess we have to prove to promoters that we can be as tough as the
Washington racers. They also start in September, but they have six races in
December (only taking the weekends of Christmas and New Year's off) and one
in January. The Washington State Championship is a full month after ours,
on December 17. That works nicely for Washington racers who plan to attend
nationals, which is in Reno in early January. How is an Oregon racer
supposed to compete at natz without any racing for the 6 weeks leading up
to it? I guess they race in Washington.

Northern California's schedule is similar in December and January. NorCal
and Washington show up to race when the weather gets bad, but
Oregonians don't. Would we, if we had the opportunity?

Craig

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Robert via OBRA wrote:

> By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA.
>
>
> Original Message
> From: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: October 23, 2017 07:44
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Reply-to: adamangert@hotmail.com
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Extend the season into December
>
> We should just eliminate road season and run cross year-round. Conflict
> solved.
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Michael

LOL. I like it!

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Extend the season into December

We should just eliminate road season and run cross year-round. Conflict
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Enter road races, bring your cross bike, and ride off the shoulder. Problem
solved! ;->

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By all appearances that plan is already being implemented by OBRA.

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Adam Angert

We should just eliminate road season and run cross year-round. Conflict solved.

Josh Anderson

Heeeere we go again...

Promotors don���t put races on in December because people don���t show up.

Doug

If everyone is worried about overlapping with road and MTB then why not have more races in November and December? The weather in Oregon certainly supports it.