PIR Results Detail

Hans Ibold

May 18, 2018 at 11:27 AM

Adam, you���re right. No delusions here. Just wanting to create more of an experience for our local community, which might in turn BUILD and sustain our community. Slowly. Incrementally. Kinda desperate for something, b/c road racing (here, everywhere) needs a little TLC. What do we have to lose?


Adam Angert

May 18, 2018 at 8:58 AM

The last time I watched the Track Cycling World Championships live stream, there were 34 people watching worldwide....34... in the whole world... I think we may need to accept that nobody is as interested in our local amateur racing as we are.


Candi Murray

May 18, 2018 at 8:32 AM

I can send a file with the finish lynx camera if someone wants to work on that file.

Candi

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Go for it! I don’t have the capacity to volunteer time right now, but I’d happily provide some financial support for any reasonable infrastructure costs related to a project like this. Especially if there was a focus on getting new—and particularly younger—riders interested in the sport.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 10:54 PM Hans Ibold via OBRA > wrote:

I'd help edit/develop content (brief race reports, interviews, captions, etc.) FOR FREE.
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Mike Murray

May 18, 2018 at 8:23 AM

Lap times are in the FinishLynx system but to harvest them the images need to be marked. Marking every single rider for every lap, as is done for CX, would be very labor intensive and not really practical. Machine evaluation of the images would be a very big project. I am sure FinishLynx would be very interested in this. Reportedly a few of the RFID systems will interface with FinishLynx. We have looked at a few but have been unable to get them to function as advertised. In addition only the more expensive active chip systems can read a wide finish line like at PIR, and even that is questionable.

Currently the pack lap times are generally marked but it would take some work to format them to something publishable.

Mike Murray
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> On May 17, 2018, at 19:03, Brad Davidson via OBRA wrote:
>
> I always wondered what would happen if someone were to use the finish camera images and race results from the last few years to build a machine learning model. Lap split time AI, anyone?
>
>> On Thu, May 17, 2018, 18:16 John Wilger via OBRA wrote:
>> Sure, if you have about $2,400 to hire me for a day, I’ll take a stab at it. ;-)
>>
>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:52 PM Eric Kaczmarek wrote:
>>> John and all,
>>>
>>> It is just software. I am sure there are software engineers on here that could write that code in a day.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2018, at 8:03 AM, John Wilger via OBRA wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I guess the question is: how much would you (and everyone else) be willing to pay for that? I very much doubt our existing entry fees would even begin to cover that expense (of everything Hans listed; maybe just publishing hotspot scoring is reasonable, but I'd have to let someone with results-tallying experience chime in on that). Renting the track at PIR is not cheap, and I believe I heard that the price even went up this year. Somehow I doubt Kevin and William are laughing their way to the bank every week after PIR.
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Hans Ibold via OBRA wrote:
>>>>> Agreed. I'm sure there's a laundry list of limitations/obstacles (time, CMS, resources, etc.) to publishing this and other content that would enhance the PIR experience for participants. But I think it would be so worth it to build on what's already an amazing and unique event. Not to get carried away, but: video, speed/power data, race recaps, still images, interviews. I'd be hooked.
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John Wilger

May 17, 2018 at 11:08 PM

Go for it! I don’t have the capacity to volunteer time right now, but I’d
happily provide some financial support for any reasonable infrastructure
costs related to a project like this. Especially if there was a focus on
getting new—and particularly younger—riders interested in the sport.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 10:54 PM Hans Ibold via OBRA
wrote:

> I'd help edit/develop content (brief race reports, interviews, captions,
> etc.) FOR FREE.
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Brad Davidson

May 17, 2018 at 7:03 PM

I always wondered what would happen if someone were to use the finish
camera images and race results from the last few years to build a machine
learning model. Lap split time AI, anyone?

On Thu, May 17, 2018, 18:16 John Wilger via OBRA wrote:

> Sure, if you have about $2,400 to hire me for a day, I’ll take a stab at
> it. ;-)
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:52 PM Eric Kaczmarek
> wrote:
>
>> John and all,
>>
>> It is just software. I am sure there are software engineers on here that
>> could write that code in a day.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2018, at 8:03 AM, John Wilger via OBRA
>> wrote:
>>
>> I guess the question is: how much would you (and everyone else) be
>> willing to pay for that? I very much doubt our existing entry fees would
>> even begin to cover that expense (of everything Hans listed; maybe just
>> publishing hotspot scoring is reasonable, but I'd have to let someone with
>> results-tallying experience chime in on that). Renting the track at PIR is
>> not cheap, and I believe I heard that the price even went up this year.
>> Somehow I doubt Kevin and William are laughing their way to the bank every
>> week after PIR.
>>
>> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Hans Ibold via OBRA
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. I'm sure there's a laundry list of limitations/obstacles (time,
>>> CMS, resources, etc.) to publishing this and other content that would
>>> enhance the PIR experience for participants. But I think it would be so
>>> worth it to build on what's already an amazing and unique event. Not to get
>>> carried away, but: video, speed/power data, race recaps, still images,
>>> interviews. I'd be hooked.
>>>
>>> HI
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Joe Cipale

May 17, 2018 at 6:25 PM

It's all just software is usually the answer one gets from people who don't
know the first thing about software.

On Thu, May 17, 2018, 6:17 PM Eric Kaczmarek via OBRA
wrote:

> John and all,
>
> It is just software. I am sure there are software engineers on here that
> could write that code in a day.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2018, at 8:03 AM, John Wilger via OBRA
> wrote:
>
> I guess the question is: how much would you (and everyone else) be willing
> to pay for that? I very much doubt our existing entry fees would even begin
> to cover that expense (of everything Hans listed; maybe just publishing
> hotspot scoring is reasonable, but I'd have to let someone with
> results-tallying experience chime in on that). Renting the track at PIR is
> not cheap, and I believe I heard that the price even went up this year.
> Somehow I doubt Kevin and William are laughing their way to the bank every
> week after PIR.
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Hans Ibold via OBRA
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. I'm sure there's a laundry list of limitations/obstacles (time,
>> CMS, resources, etc.) to publishing this and other content that would
>> enhance the PIR experience for participants. But I think it would be so
>> worth it to build on what's already an amazing and unique event. Not to get
>> carried away, but: video, speed/power data, race recaps, still images,
>> interviews. I'd be hooked.
>>
>> HI
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Hans Ibold

May 17, 2018 at 4:16 PM

I'd help edit/develop content (brief race reports, interviews, captions, etc.) FOR FREE.


Eric Kaczmarek

May 17, 2018 at 3:24 PM

I would do it for free :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2018, at 1:54 PM, John Wilger wrote:
>
> Sure, if you have about $2,400 to hire me for a day, I’ll take a stab at it. ;-)
>
>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:52 PM Eric Kaczmarek wrote:
>> John and all,
>>
>> It is just software. I am sure there are software engineers on here that could write that code in a day.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 17, 2018, at 8:03 AM, John Wilger via OBRA wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess the question is: how much would you (and everyone else) be willing to pay for that? I very much doubt our existing entry fees would even begin to cover that expense (of everything Hans listed; maybe just publishing hotspot scoring is reasonable, but I'd have to let someone with results-tallying experience chime in on that). Renting the track at PIR is not cheap, and I believe I heard that the price even went up this year. Somehow I doubt Kevin and William are laughing their way to the bank every week after PIR.
>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Hans Ibold via OBRA wrote:
>>>> Agreed. I'm sure there's a laundry list of limitations/obstacles (time, CMS, resources, etc.) to publishing this and other content that would enhance the PIR experience for participants. But I think it would be so worth it to build on what's already an amazing and unique event. Not to get carried away, but: video, speed/power data, race recaps, still images, interviews. I'd be hooked.
>>>>
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Adam Angert

May 17, 2018 at 2:46 PM

Dude... you guys are getting crazy with it. I was just hoping to see some hotspot points.


John Wilger

May 17, 2018 at 1:54 PM

Sure, if you have about $2,400 to hire me for a day, I’ll take a stab at
it. ;-)

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:52 PM Eric Kaczmarek
wrote:

> John and all,
>
> It is just software. I am sure there are software engineers on here that
> could write that code in a day.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2018, at 8:03 AM, John Wilger via OBRA
> wrote:
>
> I guess the question is: how much would you (and everyone else) be willing
> to pay for that? I very much doubt our existing entry fees would even begin
> to cover that expense (of everything Hans listed; maybe just publishing
> hotspot scoring is reasonable, but I'd have to let someone with
> results-tallying experience chime in on that). Renting the track at PIR is
> not cheap, and I believe I heard that the price even went up this year.
> Somehow I doubt Kevin and William are laughing their way to the bank every
> week after PIR.
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Hans Ibold via OBRA
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. I'm sure there's a laundry list of limitations/obstacles (time,
>> CMS, resources, etc.) to publishing this and other content that would
>> enhance the PIR experience for participants. But I think it would be so
>> worth it to build on what's already an amazing and unique event. Not to get
>> carried away, but: video, speed/power data, race recaps, still images,
>> interviews. I'd be hooked.
>>
>> HI
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>
>
>
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Eric Kaczmarek

May 17, 2018 at 1:52 PM

John and all,

It is just software. I am sure there are software engineers on here that could write that code in a day.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2018, at 8:03 AM, John Wilger via OBRA wrote:
>
> I guess the question is: how much would you (and everyone else) be willing to pay for that? I very much doubt our existing entry fees would even begin to cover that expense (of everything Hans listed; maybe just publishing hotspot scoring is reasonable, but I'd have to let someone with results-tallying experience chime in on that). Renting the track at PIR is not cheap, and I believe I heard that the price even went up this year. Somehow I doubt Kevin and William are laughing their way to the bank every week after PIR.
>
>> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Hans Ibold via OBRA wrote:
>> Agreed. I'm sure there's a laundry list of limitations/obstacles (time, CMS, resources, etc.) to publishing this and other content that would enhance the PIR experience for participants. But I think it would be so worth it to build on what's already an amazing and unique event. Not to get carried away, but: video, speed/power data, race recaps, still images, interviews. I'd be hooked.
>>
>> HI
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
>
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John Wilger

May 17, 2018 at 8:03 AM

I guess the question is: how much would you (and everyone else) be willing
to pay for that? I very much doubt our existing entry fees would even begin
to cover that expense (of everything Hans listed; maybe just publishing
hotspot scoring is reasonable, but I'd have to let someone with
results-tallying experience chime in on that). Renting the track at PIR is
not cheap, and I believe I heard that the price even went up this year.
Somehow I doubt Kevin and William are laughing their way to the bank every
week after PIR.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Hans Ibold via OBRA
wrote:

> Agreed. I'm sure there's a laundry list of limitations/obstacles (time,
> CMS, resources, etc.) to publishing this and other content that would
> enhance the PIR experience for participants. But I think it would be so
> worth it to build on what's already an amazing and unique event. Not to get
> carried away, but: video, speed/power data, race recaps, still images,
> interviews. I'd be hooked.
>
> HI
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Hans Ibold

May 16, 2018 at 2:14 PM

Agreed. I'm sure there's a laundry list of limitations/obstacles (time, CMS, resources, etc.) to publishing this and other content that would enhance the PIR experience for participants. But I think it would be so worth it to build on what's already an amazing and unique event. Not to get carried away, but: video, speed/power data, race recaps, still images, interviews. I'd be hooked.

HI


Adam Angert

May 16, 2018 at 1:05 PM

Obviously this request slows down the speed at which results can be posted, and creates more work for officials, but as a consumer of the PIR product I'd like to see a breakdown of each hotspot sprint on the race results. Similar to what a track points race scoring sheet might look like (for the track savvy).
Is anyone else interested in seeing this on results or am I just being annoying?