Jeff Wills

So I can't add... :-)

Nevertheless, it would be a tight squeeze. Tom pointed out that there may not be enough hotel rooms to support something of this size, too.

The sad part of this announcement is that we probably *won't* see the North American Handmade Bicycle Show in Portland:
http://bikeportland.org/2006/10/31/eurobike-portland-means-no-nahbs/

Grrr....

--
Jeff Wills
------------------------------------------------------------

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Rick C Johnson
> Actually the Oregon Convention Center boasts of 315,000 sq/ft when
> combined with the Portland and Oregon Ballrooms.
>
> http://www.pova.org/meeting_planners/facilities/convention_ctr.html
>
> Rick
>
>
> Jeff Wills wrote:
>
> >>Even better would be to wrest Interbike from the slimy tentacles of the
> >>city of vacuous puss and bring it to Portland for two consecutive
> >>weekends of bicycle fanaticism.
> >>The whole idea of it makes me giddy...
> >>
> >>Rick
> >>
> >>
> >
> >One problem with that is Interbike is too large for the Oregon Convention
> Center. The last edition was 310,000 square feet, where the OCC maxs out at
> about 300,000 square feet *if* you add in the ball rooms. . Another is that the
> exhibitors wouldn't last through "two consecutive weekends" of the trade show
> grind. I came back from four days working at Interbike feeling like ground
> hamburger, and it usually took me 3 weeks to get my voice back.
> >
> >It would be cool, though.
> >
> >My experience (as shop rat, warehouse rat, and exhibitor) with bike trade shows
> goes back before Interbike to the old BDS (Bicycle Dealer Showcase) Expo. Those
> were usually closed to the general public, except for the last year or two. The
> "open to the public" days were disasters- people were either looking for free
> samples or simply stealing from the exhibitors.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Jeff Wills
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------
> >Make plans now to attend the Portland Human Power Challenge:
> >http://www.ohpv.org/PIR/index.htm
> >and the Recumbent Retreat:
> >http://www.recumbentretreat.org/
> >------------------------------------------------------------
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> >

Jonathan Maus

I addressed this and some other information in a post I published yesterday:

"Reactions and thoughts on Eurobike Portland"
http://bikeportland.org/2006/10/31/reactions-and-thoughts-on-eurobike-portland/

or
http://tinyurl.com/yzbqg8

I'll be covering this story as close as I can so stay tuned for more developments....
cheers,
--Jonathan
-----------------------------
Jonathan Maus
BikePortland.org
"Daily news, culture, events and opinion"
www.BikePortland.org
(503) 706-8804

On 11/1/2006 8:05:36 AM, rcjohnson1@attglobal.net wrote:
> Actually the Oregon Convention Center boasts of 315,000 sq/ft when
> combined with the Portland and Oregon Ballrooms.
>
> http://www.pova.org/meeting_planners/facilities/convention_ctr.html
>
> Rick
>
>
> Jeff Wills wrote:
>
> >>Even better would be to wrest Interbike from the slimy tentacles of the
>
> >>city of vacuous puss and bring it to Portland for two consecutive
> >>weekends of bicycle fanaticism.
> >>The whole idea of it makes me giddy...
> >>
> >>Rick
> >>
> >>
> >
> >One problem with that is Interbike is too large for the Oregon Convention
> Center. The last edition was 310,000 square feet, where the OCC maxs out
> at about 300,000 square feet *if* you add in the ball rooms. . Another is
> that the exhibitors wouldn't last through "two consecutive weekends" of the trade show grind. I came back from four days working at Interbike feeling like ground hamburger, and it usually took me 3 weeks to get my voice back.
> >
> >It would be cool, though.
> >
> >My experience (as shop rat, warehouse rat, and exhibitor) with bike trade shows goes back before Interbike to the old BDS (Bicycle Dealer Showcase) Expo. Those were usually closed to the general public, except for the la

Rick C Johnson

"Number of Hotel Rooms in Metro Area: 20,000"

http://www.pova.org/meeting_planners/planners_briefing.html

Rick

Thomas Hoffman wrote:

>That is what I've been thinking,
>
>Interbike is HUGH!!!!
>
>As cool as having a major show in PDX would be, I don't think we have the
>hotel rooms to support it. Don't count on it being open to the public. The
>show hasn't even hired a local event planning service.
>
>
>~~)(~~-----Original Message-----
>~~)(~~From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>On
>~~)(~~Behalf Of Jeff Wills
>~~)(~~Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:44 PM
>~~)(~~To: OBRA
>~~)(~~Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Eurobike Show in Portland
>~~)(~~
>~~)(~~>Even better would be to wrest Interbike from the slimy tentacles of
>the
>~~)(~~>city of vacuous puss and bring it to Portland for two consecutive
>~~)(~~>weekends of bicycle fanaticism.
>~~)(~~>The whole idea of it makes me giddy...
>~~)(~~>
>~~)(~~>Rick
>~~)(~~
>~~)(~~One problem with that is Interbike is too large for the Oregon
>Convention
>~~)(~~Center. The last edition was 310,000 square feet, where the OCC maxs
>out at
>~~)(~~about 300,000 square feet *if* you add in the ball rooms. . Another is
>that the
>~~)(~~exhibitors wouldn't last through "two consecutive weekends" of the
>trade show
>~~)(~~grind. I came back from four days working at Interbike feeling like
>ground
>~~)(~~hamburger, and it usually took me 3 weeks to get my voice back.
>~~)(~~
>~~)(~~It would be cool, though.
>~~)(~~
>~~)(~~My experience (as shop rat, warehouse rat, and exhibitor) with bike
>trade
>~~)(~~shows goes back before Interbike to the old BDS (Bicycle Dealer
>Showcase)
>~~)(~~Expo. Those were usually closed to the general public, except for the
>last year
>~~)(~~or two. The "open to the public" days were disasters- people were
>either
>~~)(~~looking for free samples or simply stealing from the exhibitors.
>~~)(~~
>~~)(~~
>~~)(~~--
>~~)(~~Jeff Wills
>~~)(~~
>~~)(~~------------------------------------------------------------
>~~)(~~Make plans now to attend the Portland Human Power Challenge:
>~~)(~~http://www.ohpv.org/PIR/index.htm
>~~)(~~and the Recumbent Retreat:
>~~)(~~http://www.recumbentretreat.org/
>~~)(~~------------------------------------------------------------
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>~~)(~~http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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Rick C Johnson

Actually the Oregon Convention Center boasts of 315,000 sq/ft when
combined with the Portland and Oregon Ballrooms.

http://www.pova.org/meeting_planners/facilities/convention_ctr.html

Rick

Jeff Wills wrote:

>>Even better would be to wrest Interbike from the slimy tentacles of the
>>city of vacuous puss and bring it to Portland for two consecutive
>>weekends of bicycle fanaticism.
>>The whole idea of it makes me giddy...
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>
>
>One problem with that is Interbike is too large for the Oregon Convention Center. The last edition was 310,000 square feet, where the OCC maxs out at about 300,000 square feet *if* you add in the ball rooms. . Another is that the exhibitors wouldn't last through "two consecutive weekends" of the trade show grind. I came back from four days working at Interbike feeling like ground hamburger, and it usually took me 3 weeks to get my voice back.
>
>It would be cool, though.
>
>My experience (as shop rat, warehouse rat, and exhibitor) with bike trade shows goes back before Interbike to the old BDS (Bicycle Dealer Showcase) Expo. Those were usually closed to the general public, except for the last year or two. The "open to the public" days were disasters- people were either looking for free samples or simply stealing from the exhibitors.
>
>
>--
>Jeff Wills
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>Make plans now to attend the Portland Human Power Challenge:
>http://www.ohpv.org/PIR/index.htm
>and the Recumbent Retreat:
>http://www.recumbentretreat.org/
>------------------------------------------------------------
>_______________________________________________
>OBRA mailing list
>obra@list.obra.org
>http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
>

Thomas Hoffman

That is what I've been thinking,

Interbike is HUGH!!!!

As cool as having a major show in PDX would be, I don't think we have the
hotel rooms to support it. Don't count on it being open to the public. The
show hasn't even hired a local event planning service.

~~)(~~-----Original Message-----
~~)(~~From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
~~)(~~Behalf Of Jeff Wills
~~)(~~Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:44 PM
~~)(~~To: OBRA
~~)(~~Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Eurobike Show in Portland
~~)(~~
~~)(~~>Even better would be to wrest Interbike from the slimy tentacles of
the
~~)(~~>city of vacuous puss and bring it to Portland for two consecutive
~~)(~~>weekends of bicycle fanaticism.
~~)(~~>The whole idea of it makes me giddy...
~~)(~~>
~~)(~~>Rick
~~)(~~
~~)(~~One problem with that is Interbike is too large for the Oregon
Convention
~~)(~~Center. The last edition was 310,000 square feet, where the OCC maxs
out at
~~)(~~about 300,000 square feet *if* you add in the ball rooms. . Another is
that the
~~)(~~exhibitors wouldn't last through "two consecutive weekends" of the
trade show
~~)(~~grind. I came back from four days working at Interbike feeling like
ground
~~)(~~hamburger, and it usually took me 3 weeks to get my voice back.
~~)(~~
~~)(~~It would be cool, though.
~~)(~~
~~)(~~My experience (as shop rat, warehouse rat, and exhibitor) with bike
trade
~~)(~~shows goes back before Interbike to the old BDS (Bicycle Dealer
Showcase)
~~)(~~Expo. Those were usually closed to the general public, except for the
last year
~~)(~~or two. The "open to the public" days were disasters- people were
either
~~)(~~looking for free samples or simply stealing from the exhibitors.
~~)(~~
~~)(~~
~~)(~~--
~~)(~~Jeff Wills
~~)(~~
~~)(~~------------------------------------------------------------
~~)(~~Make plans now to attend the Portland Human Power Challenge:
~~)(~~http://www.ohpv.org/PIR/index.htm
~~)(~~and the Recumbent Retreat:
~~)(~~http://www.recumbentretreat.org/
~~)(~~------------------------------------------------------------
~~)(~~_______________________________________________
~~)(~~OBRA mailing list
~~)(~~obra@list.obra.org
~~)(~~http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
~~)(~~Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Jeff Wills

>Even better would be to wrest Interbike from the slimy tentacles of the
>city of vacuous puss and bring it to Portland for two consecutive
>weekends of bicycle fanaticism.
>The whole idea of it makes me giddy...
>
>Rick

One problem with that is Interbike is too large for the Oregon Convention Center. The last edition was 310,000 square feet, where the OCC maxs out at about 300,000 square feet *if* you add in the ball rooms. . Another is that the exhibitors wouldn't last through "two consecutive weekends" of the trade show grind. I came back from four days working at Interbike feeling like ground hamburger, and it usually took me 3 weeks to get my voice back.

It would be cool, though.

My experience (as shop rat, warehouse rat, and exhibitor) with bike trade shows goes back before Interbike to the old BDS (Bicycle Dealer Showcase) Expo. Those were usually closed to the general public, except for the last year or two. The "open to the public" days were disasters- people were either looking for free samples or simply stealing from the exhibitors.

--
Jeff Wills

------------------------------------------------------------
Make plans now to attend the Portland Human Power Challenge:
http://www.ohpv.org/PIR/index.htm
and the Recumbent Retreat:
http://www.recumbentretreat.org/
------------------------------------------------------------

Rick C Johnson

Sure it would be better if it was a public event but that's really
beside the point. Just having the tremendous attendance of Eurobike come
to Portland will be monumental. Every one of those attendees will be
walking (and riding) the streets, eating in local restaurants, traveling
through our airport, riding MAX. Some will venture out on our trails and
see first hand other examples of the passion and dedication of our local
cycling community.
All will return home with stories - most likely they will share a common
thread; that there is at least one place in America that is not a
festering pit of sloth and moral decrepitude.

Rick

Tony Pereira wrote:

>It sounds to me as if this is a "Trade" show, like Interbike, where
>retailers, suppliers and manufacturers all meet to view/show their wares and
>place/take orders. Don't expect it to be open to the public. Some of you may
>be able to figure a way to get in, but I expect that this will be closed to
>the general public as is the case with most industry trade shows.
>
>Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that it's coming, but John Q. Public
>will probably not be invited.
>
>-Tony Pereira
>
>Pereira Cycles
>Portland, Oregon, USA
>www.pereiracycles.com
>801.209.9301
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Thom Schoenborn [mailto:tschoenb@standard.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:50 AM
>>To: OBRA
>>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Eurobike Show in Portland
>>
>>A: Woo-hoo!
>>
>>B: "According to the European trade journal Bike Europe,
>>Eurobike owner Messe Friedrichshafen has not settled on a
>>name or exact date for the show, but is shooting for a period
>>between the middle and end of September."
>>
>>Which is obviously the same time as Interbike and, typically,
>>CycleOregon. Am I wrong?
>>
>>Competing with InterBike? Well, I might argue that splitting
>>the industry's not-so-vast resources might not be the best
>>idea, but I don't know the temperature of the water. Maybe
>>the time's right.
>>
>>But it'd be a bummer if this event didn't either kick-off
>>CycleOregon or bring it home. Because failure to do either
>>will probably mean that they missed each other altogether,
>>and that would likely mean a lower turnout than our fair
>>state would be proud of.
>>
>>Someone bring that up to 'em, eh?
>>
>>TS
>>
>>
>
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Tony Pereira

It sounds to me as if this is a "Trade" show, like Interbike, where
retailers, suppliers and manufacturers all meet to view/show their wares and
place/take orders. Don't expect it to be open to the public. Some of you may
be able to figure a way to get in, but I expect that this will be closed to
the general public as is the case with most industry trade shows.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that it's coming, but John Q. Public
will probably not be invited.

-Tony Pereira

Pereira Cycles
Portland, Oregon, USA
www.pereiracycles.com
801.209.9301

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thom Schoenborn [mailto:tschoenb@standard.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:50 AM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Eurobike Show in Portland
>
> A: Woo-hoo!
>
> B: "According to the European trade journal Bike Europe,
> Eurobike owner Messe Friedrichshafen has not settled on a
> name or exact date for the show, but is shooting for a period
> between the middle and end of September."
>
> Which is obviously the same time as Interbike and, typically,
> CycleOregon. Am I wrong?
>
> Competing with InterBike? Well, I might argue that splitting
> the industry's not-so-vast resources might not be the best
> idea, but I don't know the temperature of the water. Maybe
> the time's right.
>
> But it'd be a bummer if this event didn't either kick-off
> CycleOregon or bring it home. Because failure to do either
> will probably mean that they missed each other altogether,
> and that would likely mean a lower turnout than our fair
> state would be proud of.
>
> Someone bring that up to 'em, eh?
>
> TS

Rick C Johnson

Even better would be to wrest Interbike from the slimy tentacles of the
city of vacuous puss and bring it to Portland for two consecutive
weekends of bicycle fanaticism.
The whole idea of it makes me giddy...

Rick

Thom Schoenborn wrote:

>A: Woo-hoo!
>
>B: "According to the European trade journal Bike Europe, Eurobike owner
>Messe Friedrichshafen has not settled on a name or exact date for the
>show, but is shooting for a period between the middle and end of
>September."
>
>Which is obviously the same time as Interbike and, typically,
>CycleOregon. Am I wrong?
>
>Competing with InterBike? Well, I might argue that splitting the
>industry's not-so-vast resources might not be the best idea, but I don't
>know the temperature of the water. Maybe the time's right.
>
>But it'd be a bummer if this event didn't either kick-off CycleOregon or
>bring it home. Because failure to do either will probably mean that they
>missed each other altogether, and that would likely mean a lower turnout
>than our fair state would be proud of.
>
>Someone bring that up to 'em, eh?
>
>TS
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of Rick C Johnson
>Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:36 AM
>To: OBRA
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Eurobike Show in Portland
>
>
>This is gonna be awesome! Portland is the perfect place, I can't wait
>for this battle of the titans.
>Las Vegas you're going down!
>
>Erich Reiss, the U.S. representative for Messe Friedrichshafen, told
>/Bike Europe/ that "discontent with the current bike trade show" led the
>
>company to start a U.S. trade show.
>
>"That we are organizing it in Portland has to do with the fact that this
>
>is a major city in the U.S. with the best facilities for bicycles," he
>said.
>
>
>Rick
>
>
>Pablo Espinosa wrote:
>
>
>
>>Another possible worldclass bike show in our backyard.
>>
>>Of course the cool plug in on P-Town is always nice to see.
>>
>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/11120.0.html
>>
>>Pablo
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Thom Schoenborn

A: Woo-hoo!

B: "According to the European trade journal Bike Europe, Eurobike owner
Messe Friedrichshafen has not settled on a name or exact date for the
show, but is shooting for a period between the middle and end of
September."

Which is obviously the same time as Interbike and, typically,
CycleOregon. Am I wrong?

Competing with InterBike? Well, I might argue that splitting the
industry's not-so-vast resources might not be the best idea, but I don't
know the temperature of the water. Maybe the time's right.

But it'd be a bummer if this event didn't either kick-off CycleOregon or
bring it home. Because failure to do either will probably mean that they
missed each other altogether, and that would likely mean a lower turnout
than our fair state would be proud of.

Someone bring that up to 'em, eh?

TS

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Rick C Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:36 AM
To: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Eurobike Show in Portland

This is gonna be awesome! Portland is the perfect place, I can't wait
for this battle of the titans.
Las Vegas you're going down!

Erich Reiss, the U.S. representative for Messe Friedrichshafen, told
/Bike Europe/ that "discontent with the current bike trade show" led the

company to start a U.S. trade show.

"That we are organizing it in Portland has to do with the fact that this

is a major city in the U.S. with the best facilities for bicycles," he
said.

Rick

Pablo Espinosa wrote:

>Another possible worldclass bike show in our backyard.
>
>Of course the cool plug in on P-Town is always nice to see.
>
>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/11120.0.html
>
>Pablo
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Rick C Johnson

This is gonna be awesome! Portland is the perfect place, I can't wait
for this battle of the titans.
Las Vegas you're going down!

Erich Reiss, the U.S. representative for Messe Friedrichshafen, told
/Bike Europe/ that "discontent with the current bike trade show" led the
company to start a U.S. trade show.

"That we are organizing it in Portland has to do with the fact that this
is a major city in the U.S. with the best facilities for bicycles," he
said.

Rick

Pablo Espinosa wrote:

>Another possible worldclass bike show in our backyard.
>
>Of course the cool plug in on P-Town is always nice to see.
>
>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/11120.0.html
>
>Pablo
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Douglas Duguay

This just proves that prayers get answered!


David Hart wrote:
Do we know who wants to make this work on the Portland side? The gov, mayor, BTA???

This will really help put P-Town on the map for bicycles.

David

On 10/30/06, Pablo Espinosa wrote: Another possible worldclass bike show in our backyard.

Of course the cool plug in on P-Town is always nice to see.

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/11120.0.html

Pablo
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Do we know who wants to make this work on the Portland side? The gov,
mayor, BTA???

This will really help put P-Town on the map for bicycles.

David

On 10/30/06, Pablo Espinosa wrote:
>
> Another possible worldclass bike show in our backyard.
>
> Of course the cool plug in on P-Town is always nice to see.
>
> http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/11120.0.html
>
> Pablo
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Another possible worldclass bike show in our backyard.

Of course the cool plug in on P-Town is always nice to see.

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/11120.0.html

Pablo