Thomas Hoffman
Ditto Mike. Thanks
Gym rats are welcome to poke fun at me for my current state of fitness.
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-----Original Message-----
From: MICHAEL RUFF [mailto:staceyar@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:41 PM
To: J. David Coughlin; Thomas Hoffman; 'Matt Plummer'; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT- Social Hour at the Squat Rack
The original post was started as a joke about the people that go to the gym
and do not work out at all. There was no elitist tone.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. David Coughlin"
To: "Thomas Hoffman" ; "'Matt Plummer'"
;
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT- Social Hour at the Squat Rack
As a long time competitor in both cycling and triathlon and also a gym owner
I have followed with some interest the ongoing discussion about weight
training, gym etiquette, etc. There certainly does seem to be some elitism
trickling in from the cycling community. Several of the replies have hit it
on the head. There is not only nothing wrong with lifting weights or
participating in spin classes, but, in fact it is advantagous for those
participants, even if they don't cycle competitively. The news is full of
the problems about childhood and adult obesity, and if a spin class or
weightlifting benefits the health of the participant, then we, as a part of
the population that espouses fitness, should applaud them, not castigate
them.
As far as gym etiquette goes, if a person, man or woman, is hogging a
specific machine or weight set, and if they won't let you work in with them,
a quiet word to the gym manager or owner will quickly solve the matter.
Gyms cater to the mases, not to the elite weightlifter. And that elite
lifter , almost without exception, will be happy to share his/her knowledge
and work with you especially if they find out you are a competitive cyclist.
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]On
Behalf Of Thomas Hoffman
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:57 AM
To: 'Matt Plummer'; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT- Social Hour at the Squat Rack
OK OK I give.
I admit I haven't been to the gym in a while, although I've spent time doing
all the things we're now pocking fun at. So I guess I have to laugh at
myself too.
I commend anyone that is focused on personal achievement, for whatever
reason, even vanity. So here I am standing and applauding there efforts.
<
But heck, Lets LAUGH at each other once in while, and remember we are the
ones riding around in skimpy black unidies every weekend.
The only thing that disturbs me on this thread is the image of a bunch of
middle aged naked dudes hanging out in the Mens Lounge.
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-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Plummer
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:55 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT- Social Hour at the Squat Rack
All of you are amazing. I try so hard to not react to everything you are
saying,
but I end up so pissed off I have to speak up. Its hard for me to understand
that the only way a person can be fit, strong, cool, and even healthy is to
ride a bike. Heaven forbid people having other enjoyment and aspirations
beyond
cycling. So what if a person only works out to have larger muscles or to
look
better. Maybe ask yourselves why you do many things you do. I'm willing to
bet
a lot of your answers are going to be pretty funky.
As for the grunting, its related to something called the Valsalva Maneuver.
This
involves trying to exhale to a closed throat, which builds pressure in the
abdomen. When this pressure is released it generates a grunting type sound.
This is only beneficial in certain types of exercises. I can't speak for all
of
the grunters, but most seem to be doing this correctly.
And the standing around. The American College of Sports Medicine recommends
2-5
minutes of rest between sets for strength training. This is not muscular
endurance or lifting for hypertrophy, this is for pure strength. So resting
up to 5 minutes between sets makes for a lot of standing around.
Also, I'm pretty sure that spin class and riding bikes are two different
things.
I've yet to go to a spin class that is designed for cyclists, they are
designed
to give people power and endurance workouts. I've been criticized in the
past
for doing things too much like a cyclist and not getting the full benefit of
what the instructor is trying to pass on. So there are certainly benefits to
changing your style a bit.
What I'm trying to put across with this message is that people go to the gym
and
do things for different reasons, a lot of reasons that we don't understand.
Isn't that the best part of all of this. So many types of people with so
many
different goals coming to one place to share the activities of the gym.
Maybe
thats why there's so much socializing. It seems like some folks on the list
might be a little too critical of what others are doing. Maybe its time to
be a
little more critical of ourselves.
Matt Plummer
Quoting "Keith A. Prior" :
> I do spin classes and just flog myself!
> I get my HR pretty jacked pedaling to no where. I usually only get to the
> puke
> point out at Alpenrose but spin classes come close. If you ever want to
> indulge
> in a spin class be sure you warm up somehow before you start.
>
> Too bad those spin bikes can't show the watts being put out by each bike!
> Then we would really see how deep "Spin Bike Barbie" is digging! ;)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]On
> Behalf Of Malcolm, Gary
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:47 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT- Social Hour at the Squat Rack
>
>
>
> Thomas,
>
> This year, for the first time, I purchased a 4 month membership at a gym
in
> Eugene just for the spin classes. I promised the wife that I would not
train
> at night and to tell you the truth, it's been flipping cold lately. So
most
> weekdays I haul my butt out of bed at 4:15 and spin for 30 or 40 minutes
by
> myself and then take a 60 minute spin class. (I just walk by the muscle
> fatties as they are grunting - or lounging - away... pointless)
>
> I don't know about your classes but the gals at Gold's Gym are ruthless
> monsters. Outside of a race, I have never consistently worked as hard as I
> have when an otherwise pleasant aerobics instructor is screaming in my ear
> that I need to 'dig deeper', or 'I thought you were a bike racer?', or 'Is
> that all you've got?' Admittedly I turn up the tension more than the
typical
> spin junkie... Or perhaps I'm just lucky.
>
> And then I end the workout with a 10 minute sauna. Pleasant.
>
> You may judge for yourself the results of a mud and ice free training
regime
> on the 18th.
>
> Gary "$pinMonkeeG" Malcolm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Hoffman [mailto:t.hoffman10@verizon.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:15 AM
> To: 'Evan MacKenzie'; 'Heather VanValkenburg'; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT- Social Hour at the Squat Rack
>
> >>>He said he has a bike that he occasionally rides to the gym, but
> apparently the thought of doing something other than driving to the gym to
> work out was completely foreign to him. What kind of society do we live in
> that people think like this?<<<
>
> I went to a spin class at Bally's and the instructor chewed me out after
> because I didn't follow his specific instructions as to where to put my
> hands. I was using the bars to stretch my back during a cool down section
> of the work out.
>
> It was funny because a few months earlier I had sold the guy some shoes.
He
> had just earned his "SPIN CLASS" teaching certificate. We asked him how
> much he rides his bike, I don't think he had one. Or had any interest in
> cycling.
>
> It is to bad that so many folks have this attitude about spin class vs
> riding outside. If they can do Spin class three days a week, they will
> certainly have no problem riding outside. I bet a few of them will be able
> put some serious hurt on the rest of us at PIR.
> Maybe we should go an a recruiting spree. Help these folks being
oppressed
> by Corporate Gymnasium free themselves from the persecution of monthly
dues,
> sweat covered weight benches and mildewed locker rooms.
>
> YES! FREEDOM! THY NAME IS OBRA!!
>
>
> .oops...gotta go... the squat rack just opened up..
>
>
> Thomas Hoffman
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Evan MacKenzie
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:57 AM
> To: Heather VanValkenburg; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT- Social Hour at the Squat Rack
>
> Losers.
>
> I've always wanted to do this, but never have.
> You walk up to someone in the gym and ask them "Hey, what what they are
> training for?" I'd bet you 9 out of ten would look at you dumbfounded
> because they don't want to admit that it's just vanity (That, and they
don't
> know what dumbfounded or vanity mean). Then you say, "No, I mean, what
sport
> do you do that you are lifting weights for? Are you a cyclist, do you play
> football or soccer, you know?"
>
> "Uh, I'm just here to lift weights."
>
> "So you don't actually do anything then?"
>
> "Uh, I guess not."
>
>
> My wife and I started going to spin class last fall when the days got
> shorter (boring!). The instructor was complaining because when the
Hillsboro
> Aquatic Center (which has a pool, weight room and other fitness stuff) was
> closed DURING THE SUMMER, he didn't have anywhere to work out. He said he
> has a bike that he occasionally rides to the gym, but apparently the
thought
> of doing something other than driving to the gym to work out was
completely
> foreign to him. What kind of society do we live in that people think like
> this? That is SO WRONG!
>
> OK, that's the end of my Thursday morning rant.
>
> -Evan
>
>
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> ----------(_)/ (_)______Get on your bikes and ride!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Heather VanValkenburg
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:53 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT- Social Hour at the Squat Rack
>
> Enough about number sizes and onto a very serious issue...
>
> WHAT'S WITH ALL THE GUYS (I don't see women doing this) AT THE GYM THAT
COME
>
> TO JUST HANG OUT? Seriously, they come in, they hang out and talk to their
> buddies, (usually in the way), they LOOK like they might be there to
> workout, since they are wearing the approprite workout attire, but they
> don't lift a single weight. I mean, you don't just accidentally drop by
the
> gym to hang out, right? What's up with that?
>
> Does this happen where you work out?
>
> Are you one of THEM?
>
> What should we call THEM?
>
>
>
> -Heather VanValkenburg
>
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