Jay Swavely

Do you still have the 29er tires? Thanks.

Stewart Campbell

Hey Stephen, I agree with Steven...If you love your tires, you know them and trust them, then stick with them.  The 4000s are right up there with the EVO's and Pro 4's.  Personally, I've had great results with my 4000s's, I've raced them since the year they came out...they just work for me.  Sure I've thought about finding something better...but better for me or for someone else?  So once again, I'm on 4000s's again this year.

Keep in mind this is my opinion for a clincher road race tire.  I train on clincher 4seasons, and I'm about to make the switch to tubular race tires and might go with Vittoria's.  

-Stewart

________________________________
From: Steven Beardsley
To: stephen salter
Cc: OBRA
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires

In the early season I like to use the Vittoria Pave CG and then switch to the EVO Corsa CX when things dry out a bit and the roads, and races, have a bit less gravel and pot holes.

If you are going to use just one set, I would go with the EVO Corsa CX. You can get both in a clincher or tubular.

That being said, if you loved the tires you were using and they did everything you needed, then you may want to stick with them. Knowing what your tire (and the rest of your gear) is capable of is often more important that having the best.

My 2 cents.

-Steven

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stephen salter wrote:

hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about base layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to look at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix 4000 s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there that is better!
>thanks!
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I ride 10,000+ miles a year. Every wheel I own has a Continental Gatorskin mounted on it, and that includes the Zipp 404 tubulars. I get about 1 flat per year.

YMMV,

Kevin

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires
From: daniel stark
Date: Fri, 08-Feb-2013 11:37
To: Erik Long
CC: Obra Contact

I've been getting the GP 4000S's from ProBikeKit in a two pack or with
a free tube for around $40 per tire. With their free shipping it's
proved to be a real good online deal when supporting your locally
owned bike shop isn't an option. The free tube offer seems to be the
deal de'jour:

http://goo.gl/QxQLG

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Erik Long wrote:
> You rode a 200-gram race tire all year and were surprised that you to
> replace it? Race tires are for racing. Don't expect more than 1,000 miles
> out of a tire like that, especially on the rear. And I'd think twice about
> Schwalbe road race tires. The factory recalls in recent years put a
> permanent end to the Ultremo label:
> http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/schwalbe-issues-warning-about-ultremo-r-tyres-21793/
> I love Schwalbe's other tires, but I've never seen so many failed tire
> casings in my life as I did under the Ultremo name. It was scary and I'm
> amazed they didn't get sued.
>
> If you really want an all-purpose tire to train and race on, Michelin Pro 4
> enduros are awesome and the Grand Prix 4000's are considered by many to be
> the essential Portland road tire - they'll also set you back $60-$80 per
> tire. Vittoria Rubino Pro Slicks are the single best balance of durability,
> weight, mileage and price I've ever come across and they usually go for less
> than $50.
>
> Just don't make the mistake of thinking that any of these relatively light
> tires will last 3,000+ miles. You can get that mileage, but you'll have to
> give up cornering grip, weight, suppleness, and a little "cool factor" in
> order to get it.
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:59:49 -0800
> From: melissafroggie@gmail.com
> To: cyclematt@gmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires
>
>
> I was not at all happy with the Michelin Pro 3's I had last year. They
> handled well but were quite fragile, and not only did I have loads of flats
> but before the end of the year they were so torn up I had to replace them. I
> am going back to Schwalbes (Ultremo). My last set of Schwalbes was still in
> good shape after 4 years and well over 5000 miles.
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Matt Martel wrote:
>
> Stephen,
>
> Great question! I have had good luck with many brands over the
> years...Conti, Michelin, Vredestein, Specialized, Vittoria, etc. My favorite
> has been the Michelin Pros. They are now on revision #4. For me they have
> the right balance of weight, cornering, rolling resistance, and durability.
> For a long time I could get these at a great price. Not anymore. I need to
> spend at least $50 to get a tire that is decent although that number seems
> to be creeping up in recent years! So I tend to shop wisely and look for
> specials.
>
> BTW...I dont put much stock in reviews. They are often so biased.
>
> Good luck. I am curious what others have to say as well.
>
> Matt
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stephen salter
> wrote:
>
> hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about base
> layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to look
> at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is
> riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im
> specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that
> should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix 4000
> s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there that is
> better!
> thanks!
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I had a set of the early recalled Ultremo's fail badly (the supplier I got them from was supposed to destroy or send them back but they sold them to me instead) but later ones have worked great. I used them for neutral support on the Cherry Blossom road course up the 3 mile dirt/gravel climb with no troubles. I've been racing on them for a couple years and rode Eugene Roubaix and Cherry Pie (dirt section) no troubles at all.
Who said they were discontinued? Have you looked at their website lately?
My two favorite racing clinchers: Ultremo and Vittoria Open Corsa CX.

Dan Houghton
Southwest Bicycle
3605 SW Multnomah Boulevard
Portland, OR 97219
www.southwestbicycle.com
503-246-0333

----- Original Message -----
From: Drew Coleman
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires

As a tire junkie, I have tried a lot of them. Truth to the Ultremo - stay away. For my money - All around tire: Conti 4 seasons or GP4000; Race tire: Hard to beat Michelin Pro 4 Service Course (although I have gone tubular). Love Challenge tires as well, but if I had to pick one company to ride the rest of my life it would be Continental.

> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:37:43 -0800
> From: dan.j.stark@gmail.com
> To: elongride@hotmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires
>
> I've been getting the GP 4000S's from ProBikeKit in a two pack or with
> a free tube for around $40 per tire. With their free shipping it's
> proved to be a real good online deal when supporting your locally
> owned bike shop isn't an option. The free tube offer seems to be the
> deal de'jour:
>
> http://goo.gl/QxQLG
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Erik Long wrote:
> > You rode a 200-gram race tire all year and were surprised that you to
> > replace it? Race tires are for racing. Don't expect more than 1,000 miles
> > out of a tire like that, especially on the rear. And I'd think twice about
> > Schwalbe road race tires. The factory recalls in recent years put a
> > permanent end to the Ultremo label:
> > http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/schwalbe-issues-warning-about-ultremo-r-tyres-21793/
> > I love Schwalbe's other tires, but I've never seen so many failed tire
> > casings in my life as I did under the Ultremo name. It was scary and I'm
> > amazed they didn't get sued.
> >
> > If you really want an all-purpose tire to train and race on, Michelin Pro 4
> > enduros are awesome and the Grand Prix 4000's are considered by many to be
> > the essential Portland road tire - they'll also set you back $60-$80 per
> > tire. Vittoria Rubino Pro Slicks are the single best balance of durability,
> > weight, mileage and price I've ever come across and they usually go for less
> > than $50.
> >
> > Just don't make the mistake of thinking that any of these relatively light
> > tires will last 3,000+ miles. You can get that mileage, but you'll have to
> > give up cornering grip, weight, suppleness, and a little "cool factor" in
> > order to get it.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:59:49 -0800
> > From: melissafroggie@gmail.com
> > To: cyclematt@gmail.com
> > CC: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires
> >
> >
> > I was not at all happy with the Michelin Pro 3's I had last year. They
> > handled well but were quite fragile, and not only did I have loads of flats
> > but before the end of the year they were so torn up I had to replace them. I
> > am going back to Schwalbes (Ultremo). My last set of Schwalbes was still in
> > good shape after 4 years and well over 5000 miles.
> >
> > Melissa
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Matt Martel wrote:
> >
> > Stephen,
> >
> > Great question! I have had good luck with many brands over the
> > years...Conti, Michelin, Vredestein, Specialized, Vittoria, etc. My favorite
> > has been the Michelin Pros. They are now on revision #4. For me they have
> > the right balance of weight, cornering, rolling resistance, and durability.
> > For a long time I could get these at a great price. Not anymore. I need to
> > spend at least $50 to get a tire that is decent although that number seems
> > to be creeping up in recent years! So I tend to shop wisely and look for
> > specials.
> >
> > BTW...I dont put much stock in reviews. They are often so biased.
> >
> > Good luck. I am curious what others have to say as well.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stephen salter
> > wrote:
> >
> > hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about base
> > layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to look
> > at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is
> > riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im
> > specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that
> > should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix 4000
> > s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there that is
> > better!
> > thanks!
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
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Leibowitz, Flo

For races, I use the Vittoria open cords with latex tubes. Nope, doesn't last long (but longer than you would think if you are a small person) but boy I like the way they feel. Worth all the trouble and expense , in my estimation. But don't even think about these till May.

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On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:52 AM, "Drew Coleman" > wrote:

As a tire junkie, I have tried a lot of them. Truth to the Ultremo - stay away. For my money - All around tire: Conti 4 seasons or GP4000; Race tire: Hard to beat Michelin Pro 4 Service Course (although I have gone tubular). Love Challenge tires as well, but if I had to pick one company to ride the rest of my life it would be Continental.

> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:37:43 -0800
> From: dan.j.stark@gmail.com
> To: elongride@hotmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires
>
> I've been getting the GP 4000S's from ProBikeKit in a two pack or with
> a free tube for around $40 per tire. With their free shipping it's
> proved to be a real good online deal when supporting your locally
> owned bike shop isn't an option. The free tube offer seems to be the
> deal de'jour:
>
> http://goo.gl/QxQLG
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Erik Long > wrote:
> > You rode a 200-gram race tire all year and were surprised that you to
> > replace it? Race tires are for racing. Don't expect more than 1,000 miles
> > out of a tire like that, especially on the rear. And I'd think twice about
> > Schwalbe road race tires. The factory recalls in recent years put a
> > permanent end to the Ultremo label:
> > http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/schwalbe-issues-warning-about-ultremo-r-tyres-21793/
> > I love Schwalbe's other tires, but I've never seen so many failed tire
> > casings in my life as I did under the Ultremo name. It was scary and I'm
> > amazed they didn't get sued.
> >
> > If you really want an all-purpose tire to train and race on, Michelin Pro 4
> > enduros are awesome and the Grand Prix 4000's are considered by many to be
> > the essential Portland road tire - they'll also set you back $60-$80 per
> > tire. Vittoria Rubino Pro Slicks are the single best balance of durability,
> > weight, mileage and price I've ever come across and they usually go for less
> > than $50.
> >
> > Just don't make the mistake of thinking that any of these relatively light
> > tires will last 3,000+ miles. You can get that mileage, but you'll have to
> > give up cornering grip, weight, suppleness, and a little "cool factor" in
> > order to get it.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:59:49 -0800
> > From: melissafroggie@gmail.com
> > To: cyclematt@gmail.com
> > CC: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires
> >
> >
> > I was not at all happy with the Michelin Pro 3's I had last year. They
> > handled well but were quite fragile, and not only did I have loads of flats
> > but before the end of the year they were so torn up I had to replace them. I
> > am going back to Schwalbes (Ultremo). My last set of Schwalbes was still in
> > good shape after 4 years and well over 5000 miles.
> >
> > Melissa
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Matt Martel > wrote:
> >
> > Stephen,
> >
> > Great question! I have had good luck with many brands over the
> > years...Conti, Michelin, Vredestein, Specialized, Vittoria, etc. My favorite
> > has been the Michelin Pros. They are now on revision #4. For me they have
> > the right balance of weight, cornering, rolling resistance, and durability.
> > For a long time I could get these at a great price. Not anymore. I need to
> > spend at least $50 to get a tire that is decent although that number seems
> > to be creeping up in recent years! So I tend to shop wisely and look for
> > specials.
> >
> > BTW...I dont put much stock in reviews. They are often so biased.
> >
> > Good luck. I am curious what others have to say as well.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stephen salter >
> > wrote:
> >
> > hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about base
> > layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to look
> > at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is
> > riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im
> > specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that
> > should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix 4000
> > s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there that is
> > better!
> > thanks!
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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As a tire junkie, I have tried a lot of them. Truth to the Ultremo - stay away. For my money - All around tire: Conti 4 seasons or GP4000; Race tire: Hard to beat Michelin Pro 4 Service Course (although I have gone tubular). Love Challenge tires as well, but if I had to pick one company to ride the rest of my life it would be Continental.

> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:37:43 -0800
> From: dan.j.stark@gmail.com
> To: elongride@hotmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires
>
> I've been getting the GP 4000S's from ProBikeKit in a two pack or with
> a free tube for around $40 per tire. With their free shipping it's
> proved to be a real good online deal when supporting your locally
> owned bike shop isn't an option. The free tube offer seems to be the
> deal de'jour:
>
> http://goo.gl/QxQLG
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Erik Long wrote:
> > You rode a 200-gram race tire all year and were surprised that you to
> > replace it? Race tires are for racing. Don't expect more than 1,000 miles
> > out of a tire like that, especially on the rear. And I'd think twice about
> > Schwalbe road race tires. The factory recalls in recent years put a
> > permanent end to the Ultremo label:
> > http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/schwalbe-issues-warning-about-ultremo-r-tyres-21793/
> > I love Schwalbe's other tires, but I've never seen so many failed tire
> > casings in my life as I did under the Ultremo name. It was scary and I'm
> > amazed they didn't get sued.
> >
> > If you really want an all-purpose tire to train and race on, Michelin Pro 4
> > enduros are awesome and the Grand Prix 4000's are considered by many to be
> > the essential Portland road tire - they'll also set you back $60-$80 per
> > tire. Vittoria Rubino Pro Slicks are the single best balance of durability,
> > weight, mileage and price I've ever come across and they usually go for less
> > than $50.
> >
> > Just don't make the mistake of thinking that any of these relatively light
> > tires will last 3,000+ miles. You can get that mileage, but you'll have to
> > give up cornering grip, weight, suppleness, and a little "cool factor" in
> > order to get it.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:59:49 -0800
> > From: melissafroggie@gmail.com
> > To: cyclematt@gmail.com
> > CC: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires
> >
> >
> > I was not at all happy with the Michelin Pro 3's I had last year. They
> > handled well but were quite fragile, and not only did I have loads of flats
> > but before the end of the year they were so torn up I had to replace them. I
> > am going back to Schwalbes (Ultremo). My last set of Schwalbes was still in
> > good shape after 4 years and well over 5000 miles.
> >
> > Melissa
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Matt Martel wrote:
> >
> > Stephen,
> >
> > Great question! I have had good luck with many brands over the
> > years...Conti, Michelin, Vredestein, Specialized, Vittoria, etc. My favorite
> > has been the Michelin Pros. They are now on revision #4. For me they have
> > the right balance of weight, cornering, rolling resistance, and durability.
> > For a long time I could get these at a great price. Not anymore. I need to
> > spend at least $50 to get a tire that is decent although that number seems
> > to be creeping up in recent years! So I tend to shop wisely and look for
> > specials.
> >
> > BTW...I dont put much stock in reviews. They are often so biased.
> >
> > Good luck. I am curious what others have to say as well.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stephen salter
> > wrote:
> >
> > hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about base
> > layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to look
> > at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is
> > riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im
> > specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that
> > should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix 4000
> > s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there that is
> > better!
> > thanks!
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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I've been getting the GP 4000S's from ProBikeKit in a two pack or with
a free tube for around $40 per tire. With their free shipping it's
proved to be a real good online deal when supporting your locally
owned bike shop isn't an option. The free tube offer seems to be the
deal de'jour:

http://goo.gl/QxQLG

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Erik Long wrote:
> You rode a 200-gram race tire all year and were surprised that you to
> replace it? Race tires are for racing. Don't expect more than 1,000 miles
> out of a tire like that, especially on the rear. And I'd think twice about
> Schwalbe road race tires. The factory recalls in recent years put a
> permanent end to the Ultremo label:
> http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/schwalbe-issues-warning-about-ultremo-r-tyres-21793/
> I love Schwalbe's other tires, but I've never seen so many failed tire
> casings in my life as I did under the Ultremo name. It was scary and I'm
> amazed they didn't get sued.
>
> If you really want an all-purpose tire to train and race on, Michelin Pro 4
> enduros are awesome and the Grand Prix 4000's are considered by many to be
> the essential Portland road tire - they'll also set you back $60-$80 per
> tire. Vittoria Rubino Pro Slicks are the single best balance of durability,
> weight, mileage and price I've ever come across and they usually go for less
> than $50.
>
> Just don't make the mistake of thinking that any of these relatively light
> tires will last 3,000+ miles. You can get that mileage, but you'll have to
> give up cornering grip, weight, suppleness, and a little "cool factor" in
> order to get it.
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:59:49 -0800
> From: melissafroggie@gmail.com
> To: cyclematt@gmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires
>
>
> I was not at all happy with the Michelin Pro 3's I had last year. They
> handled well but were quite fragile, and not only did I have loads of flats
> but before the end of the year they were so torn up I had to replace them. I
> am going back to Schwalbes (Ultremo). My last set of Schwalbes was still in
> good shape after 4 years and well over 5000 miles.
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Matt Martel wrote:
>
> Stephen,
>
> Great question! I have had good luck with many brands over the
> years...Conti, Michelin, Vredestein, Specialized, Vittoria, etc. My favorite
> has been the Michelin Pros. They are now on revision #4. For me they have
> the right balance of weight, cornering, rolling resistance, and durability.
> For a long time I could get these at a great price. Not anymore. I need to
> spend at least $50 to get a tire that is decent although that number seems
> to be creeping up in recent years! So I tend to shop wisely and look for
> specials.
>
> BTW...I dont put much stock in reviews. They are often so biased.
>
> Good luck. I am curious what others have to say as well.
>
> Matt
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stephen salter
> wrote:
>
> hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about base
> layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to look
> at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is
> riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im
> specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that
> should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix 4000
> s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there that is
> better!
> thanks!
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Erik Long

You rode a 200-gram race tire all year and were surprised that you to replace it? Race tires are for racing. Don't expect more than 1,000 miles out of a tire like that, especially on the rear. And I'd think twice about Schwalbe road race tires. The factory recalls in recent years put a permanent end to the Ultremo label:
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/schwalbe-issues-warning-about-ultremo-r-tyres-21793/
I love Schwalbe's other tires, but I've never seen so many failed tire casings in my life as I did under the Ultremo name. It was scary and I'm amazed they didn't get sued.

If you really want an all-purpose tire to train and race on, Michelin Pro 4 enduros are awesome and the Grand Prix 4000's are considered by many to be the essential Portland road tire - they'll also set you back $60-$80 per tire. Vittoria Rubino Pro Slicks are the single best balance of durability, weight, mileage and price I've ever come across and they usually go for less than $50.

Just don't make the mistake of thinking that any of these relatively light tires will last 3,000+ miles. You can get that mileage, but you'll have to give up cornering grip, weight, suppleness, and a little "cool factor" in order to get it.

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:59:49 -0800
From: melissafroggie@gmail.com
To: cyclematt@gmail.com
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tires

I was not at all happy with the Michelin Pro 3's I had last year. They handled well but were quite fragile, and not only did I have loads of flats but before the end of the year they were so torn up I had to replace them. I am going back to Schwalbes (Ultremo). My last set of Schwalbes was still in good shape after 4 years and well over 5000 miles.

Melissa

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Matt Martel wrote:

Stephen,
Great question! I have had good luck with many brands over the years...Conti, Michelin, Vredestein, Specialized, Vittoria, etc. My favorite has been the Michelin Pros. They are now on revision #4. For me they have the right balance of weight, cornering, rolling resistance, and durability. For a long time I could get these at a great price. Not anymore. I need to spend at least $50 to get a tire that is decent although that number seems to be creeping up in recent years! So I tend to shop wisely and look for specials.

BTW...I dont put much stock in reviews. They are often so biased.
Good luck. I am curious what others have to say as well.

Matt

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stephen salter wrote:

hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about base layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to look at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix 4000 s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there that is better!

thanks!

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You answered your own question. You loved the Conti 4000. Enuf said. They are an excellent choice. They are spendy but worth it.
BTW: I asked this same question to OBRA chat years ago and was told the Tufo was the way to go. So I bought a bunch. I could not ride from here to there without getting a flat?? Stick with what you have had good luck with.
 

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From: stephen salter
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 8:49 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tires

hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about base layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to look at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix 4000 s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there that is better!
thanks!
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Melissa Boyd

I was not at all happy with the Michelin Pro 3's I had last year. They
handled well but were quite fragile, and not only did I have loads of flats
but before the end of the year they were so torn up I had to replace them.
I am going back to Schwalbes (Ultremo). My last set of Schwalbes was still
in good shape after 4 years and well over 5000 miles.

Melissa

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Matt Martel wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> Great question! I have had good luck with many brands over the
> years...Conti, Michelin, Vredestein, Specialized, Vittoria, etc. My
> favorite has been the Michelin Pros. They are now on revision #4. For me
> they have the right balance of weight, cornering, rolling resistance, and
> durability. For a long time I could get these at a great price. Not
> anymore. I need to spend at least $50 to get a tire that is decent although
> that number seems to be creeping up in recent years! So I tend to shop
> wisely and look for specials.
>
> BTW...I dont put much stock in reviews. They are often so biased.
>
> Good luck. I am curious what others have to say as well.
>
> Matt
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stephen salter wrote:
>
>> hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about
>> base layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to
>> look at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is
>> riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im
>> specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that
>> should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix
>> 4000 s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there
>> that is better!
>> thanks!
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Steven Beardsley

In the early season I like to use the Vittoria Pave CG and then switch to
the EVO Corsa CX when things dry out a bit and the roads, and races, have a
bit less gravel and pot holes.

If you are going to use just one set, I would go with the EVO Corsa CX. You
can get both in a clincher or tubular.

That being said, if you loved the tires you were using and they did
everything you needed, then you may want to stick with them. Knowing what
your tire (and the rest of your gear) is capable of is often
more important that having the best.

My 2 cents.

-Steven

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stephen salter wrote:

> hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about
> base layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to
> look at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is
> riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im
> specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that
> should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix
> 4000 s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there
> that is better!
> thanks!
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Matt Martel

Stephen,

Great question! I have had good luck with many brands over the
years...Conti, Michelin, Vredestein, Specialized, Vittoria, etc. My
favorite has been the Michelin Pros. They are now on revision #4. For me
they have the right balance of weight, cornering, rolling resistance, and
durability. For a long time I could get these at a great price. Not
anymore. I need to spend at least $50 to get a tire that is decent although
that number seems to be creeping up in recent years! So I tend to shop
wisely and look for specials.

BTW...I dont put much stock in reviews. They are often so biased.

Good luck. I am curious what others have to say as well.

Matt

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stephen salter wrote:

> hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about
> base layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to
> look at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is
> riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im
> specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that
> should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix
> 4000 s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there
> that is better!
> thanks!
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John Forbes

For racing I use Vittoria EVO' s. Supple, low profile and reasonably
puncture proof

On February 8, 2013 9:12:15 AM "Wood, Nicholas C"
wrote:
> Depends on what you want to do, race, train, riding conditions, etc.
>
> Nick Wood
> Intel Corporation
> Contract Manager
> 503.349.6742 cell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of stephen salter
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 8:49 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tires
>
> hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about
> base layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that
> time to look at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what
> everybody is riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed,
> price etc. Im specifically talking about road here and clinchers for
> that matter so that should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season
> on conti grand prix 4000 s and loved them but want to see if theres
> anything else out there that is better!
> thanks!
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Wood, Nicholas C

Depends on what you want to do, race, train, riding conditions, etc.

Nick Wood
Intel Corporation
Contract Manager
503.349.6742 cell

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hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about base layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to look at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix 4000 s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there that is better!
thanks!
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stephen salter

hey everybody, i got such a great response when i polled you all about base layers i figured i would do the same for tires. Its about that time to look at getting a new set for the season and im wondering what everybody is riding, pros - cons, durability versus suppleness, speed, price etc. Im specifically talking about road here and clinchers for that matter so that should narrow it down a bit. I rode all last season on conti grand prix 4000 s and loved them but want to see if theres anything else out there that is better!
thanks!

scott hill

i think the Raze tires suck. i have an almost new set in my garage i would sell you cheap.
 
scott

--- On Sat, 11/8/08, rob mccarthy wrote:

From: rob mccarthy
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tires
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 6:05 PM

Anyone have any experience with the Maxxis Raze tires or the Mimo cross tires?
Currently running the Specialized Houffalize tires and love them, but just
wondering about the others.
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rob mccarthy

Anyone have any experience with the Maxxis Raze tires or the Mimo cross tires? Currently running the Specialized Houffalize tires and love them, but just wondering about the others.

Mike Murray

We (actually Steve Garcia) are in the process of replacing all the tires on
all the velodrome rental bikes. Obviously there is a reason why we are
replacing them but these are all intact tires that hold air and because they
have only been ridden on the track they have no casing cuts or other major
defects. We just don't want beginners riding them on the steep banks
anymore. I hate to throw them all away since there are probably some miles
left in them and some use for them. I suggest putting them on the back of
your fixie and skidding until they pop.

Bottom line, we have a bunch of used clinchers we will hand over to you for
$1/tire. See us at the track Thursday to pick out the best of the pile or
contact me to make other arrangements.

Mike Murray