Re: WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops carrythis?

Greg O'Brien

October 1, 2009 at 1:30 AM

body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{margin:0px}The N-Gear is at most shops (Sellwood, Cyclepath, RCB-pretty sure).  It worked pretty well for me with a single ring and outer guard.  One or two dropped chains in 2 plus seasons with it.  I think technique is the main part of dropping your chain.  Dropping the bike hard after carrying is a major contributor.  That said, short cage derailleur like Chris says, with a tight chain (in the biggest cog the cage is pulled 45 degrees towards the front of the bike) is the best help.  However I went with the Pauls chainwatcher this year and so far I think it's the best thing going if you run a single chainring.
Greg

-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Alling
>Sent: Oct 1, 2009 8:00 AM
>To: 'david baker' , 'Max Kirchoff'
>Cc: obra@list.obra.org, 'will'
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops carrythis?
>
>I have tried all of these and I went to a single chain ring with a guard
>both inside and outside that are slightly taller than the chain ring. I have
>not thrown my chain since. The key is to use a short cage derailleur and a
>chain as short as it will possibly work to avoid too much chain slap.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of david baker
>Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:48 AM
>To: Max Kirchoff
>Cc: obra@list.obra.org; will
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops
>carrythis?
>
>For me, the material, cost, weight, and looks were all unimportant.
>Performance was my concern. I had a serious problem with the chain jumping
>off either side of the front chain ring. I had the Jump Stop on the inside
>and a chain ring guard on the outside and was still losing the chain at
>least once a day. I tried adjusting and bending both guards multiple ways
>with little improvement.
> The Rohloff greatly reduced the problem. I am pretty sure if I had tried
>the Third Eye thingy I would have had the same issues as the Jump Stop
>because it did not go over and down the other side of the chain ring.
> Maybe it's my bike(spot 1x9) or riding style but I would choose between the
>
>Paul, Rohloff, or any other unit that has similar characteristics.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Max Kirchoff"
>To: "david baker"
>Cc: "will" ;
>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops
>carrythis?
>
>
>> These metal ones look real nice, and while the idea of spending $50 on
>> a new front derailler that doesn't move (like many that you can freeze
>> up) - The third eye is still pretty great...esp for $10.
>>
>> To each their own, but plastic being hit by my chain sounds much more
>> appealing than metal-on-metal contact.
>>
>> Max Kirchoff
>> http://www.maxmeansmore.com
>> http://www.maxisnow.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:08 PM, david baker wrote:
>>> That Paul one looks pretty good.
>>> The "jump stop" came stock on my 1x9 set-up, and it was no good.
>>> I got the Rohloff one and it is pretty good
>>> http://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/chain_guide_cc/
>>> Weighs 7 grams more that the Paul one but might be tougher.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "will"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops
>>> carrythis?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Paul's Components is where it's at -->
>>>> http://www.paulcomp.com/chainkeeper.html
>>>>
>>>> You can order it but I also heard the Cyclepath guys sell 'em.
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Chris Alling

October 1, 2009 at 1:00 AM

I have tried all of these and I went to a single chain ring with a guard
both inside and outside that are slightly taller than the chain ring. I have
not thrown my chain since. The key is to use a short cage derailleur and a
chain as short as it will possibly work to avoid too much chain slap.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of david baker
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:48 AM
To: Max Kirchoff
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; will
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops
carrythis?

For me, the material, cost, weight, and looks were all unimportant.
Performance was my concern. I had a serious problem with the chain jumping
off either side of the front chain ring. I had the Jump Stop on the inside
and a chain ring guard on the outside and was still losing the chain at
least once a day. I tried adjusting and bending both guards multiple ways
with little improvement.
The Rohloff greatly reduced the problem. I am pretty sure if I had tried
the Third Eye thingy I would have had the same issues as the Jump Stop
because it did not go over and down the other side of the chain ring.
Maybe it's my bike(spot 1x9) or riding style but I would choose between the

Paul, Rohloff, or any other unit that has similar characteristics.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Max Kirchoff"
To: "david baker"
Cc: "will" ;
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops
carrythis?

> These metal ones look real nice, and while the idea of spending $50 on
> a new front derailler that doesn't move (like many that you can freeze
> up) - The third eye is still pretty great...esp for $10.
>
> To each their own, but plastic being hit by my chain sounds much more
> appealing than metal-on-metal contact.
>
> Max Kirchoff
> http://www.maxmeansmore.com
> http://www.maxisnow.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:08 PM, david baker wrote:
>> That Paul one looks pretty good.
>> The "jump stop" came stock on my 1x9 set-up, and it was no good.
>> I got the Rohloff one and it is pretty good
>> http://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/chain_guide_cc/
>> Weighs 7 grams more that the Paul one but might be tougher.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "will"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops
>> carrythis?
>>
>>
>>> Paul's Components is where it's at -->
>>> http://www.paulcomp.com/chainkeeper.html
>>>
>>> You can order it but I also heard the Cyclepath guys sell 'em.
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>>
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david baker

October 1, 2009 at 12:47 AM

For me, the material, cost, weight, and looks were all unimportant.
Performance was my concern. I had a serious problem with the chain jumping
off either side of the front chain ring. I had the Jump Stop on the inside
and a chain ring guard on the outside and was still losing the chain at
least once a day. I tried adjusting and bending both guards multiple ways
with little improvement.
The Rohloff greatly reduced the problem. I am pretty sure if I had tried
the Third Eye thingy I would have had the same issues as the Jump Stop
because it did not go over and down the other side of the chain ring.
Maybe it's my bike(spot 1x9) or riding style but I would choose between the
Paul, Rohloff, or any other unit that has similar characteristics.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Max Kirchoff"
To: "david baker"
Cc: "will" ;
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops
carrythis?

> These metal ones look real nice, and while the idea of spending $50 on
> a new front derailler that doesn't move (like many that you can freeze
> up) - The third eye is still pretty great...esp for $10.
>
> To each their own, but plastic being hit by my chain sounds much more
> appealing than metal-on-metal contact.
>
> Max Kirchoff
> http://www.maxmeansmore.com
> http://www.maxisnow.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:08 PM, david baker wrote:
>> That Paul one looks pretty good.
>> The "jump stop" came stock on my 1x9 set-up, and it was no good.
>> I got the Rohloff one and it is pretty good
>> http://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/chain_guide_cc/
>> Weighs 7 grams more that the Paul one but might be tougher.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "will"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops
>> carrythis?
>>
>>
>>> Paul's Components is where it's at -->
>>> http://www.paulcomp.com/chainkeeper.html
>>>
>>> You can order it but I also heard the Cyclepath guys sell 'em.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
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>>
>>
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Max Kirchoff

September 30, 2009 at 4:15 PM

These metal ones look real nice, and while the idea of spending $50 on
a new front derailler that doesn't move (like many that you can freeze
up) - The third eye is still pretty great...esp for $10.

To each their own, but plastic being hit by my chain sounds much more
appealing than metal-on-metal contact.

Max Kirchoff
http://www.maxmeansmore.com
http://www.maxisnow.com

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:08 PM, david baker wrote:
> That Paul one looks pretty good.
> The "jump stop" came stock on my 1x9 set-up, and it was no good.
> I got the Rohloff one and it is pretty good
> http://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/chain_guide_cc/
> Weighs 7 grams more that the Paul one but might be tougher.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "will"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops
> carrythis?
>
>
>> Paul's Components is where it's at -->
>> http://www.paulcomp.com/chainkeeper.html
>>
>> You can order it but I also heard the Cyclepath guys sell 'em.
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david baker

September 30, 2009 at 4:08 PM

That Paul one looks pretty good.
The "jump stop" came stock on my 1x9 set-up, and it was no good.
I got the Rohloff one and it is pretty good
http://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/chain_guide_cc/
Weighs 7 grams more that the Paul one but might be tougher.
----- Original Message -----
From: "will"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops
carrythis?

> Paul's Components is where it's at -->
> http://www.paulcomp.com/chainkeeper.html
>
> You can order it but I also heard the Cyclepath guys sell 'em.
> _______________________________________________
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Dan H

September 30, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Who (in town) has the Pure Sweet Hell DVD? Webcyclery wants $16.19 to ship a DVD!? For that much, I want it delivered by singing telegram!
BTW, we have the Jump Stops and (in my opinion) they are the best such device made. When installed properly, they absolutely positively end chain drop on the inside front ring. They are challenging to mount on some carbon frames though.
Dan Houghton
Southwest Bicycle
3605 SW Multnomah Boulevard
Portland, OR 97219
www.southwestbicycle.com
503-246-0333

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Kerkmann
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops carrythis?

http://webcyclery.com/product.php?productid=17640&cat=255&page=1

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, will wrote:

From: will
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTB n-gear jump stop or similar. Any shops carry this?
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:12 PM

Paul's Components is where it's at --> http://www.paulcomp.com/chainkeeper.html

You can order it but I also heard the Cyclepath guys sell 'em.
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