Chris Alling

In my opinion doing one race does make you a supporting member of OBRA. That
person from CA came up here to race his/her bike, he/she bought his
membership, paid his/her entry fee and raced. What more is there to it than
that. Things get blown out of proportion when people make more of it than
just racing your bike. The fact of the matter is that who ever the infamous
out of stater beat that day he or she was not good enough to win that day.
There will be another race next week and another championship next year.

The rules are published for OBRA and ultimately if you would like you can
make a motion to change them at the board meeting at the first of the year.

>From:
>To: OBRA
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships???
>Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:15:37 -0700
>
>Why do these subjects get SO blown out of proportion on here? My original
>question was about qualifications and how to keep the championships WITHIN
>the OBRA membership. Some make this sound like we want to exclude our
>neighbors who are supporting OBRA members. (in my opinion doing one race
>does not make you a supporting member)
>I was not in contention for a medal. I just observed a guy from way down in
>Cal. win one and I thought it seemed unfair to all those that race here
>consistently. All championships have some rules regarding participation.
>
>---- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> > If the championship fields were large you might have a point, but some
>of the events that I have done already have small field sizes when you
>include the out of state riders. Taking out the out of state riders would
>only make the situation worse. I have little interest in racing against
>ten people even if it would mean I get a gold medal. In fact it would mean
>less than getting a high placing in a large competitive field.
> >
> > If anyone gets hurt by letting out of state riders in it is me, as I get
>killed by David Zimbleman every year (I have a good selection of silver
>medals, except last year when he took pity on me) but I would not have it
>any other way. Let them all come and just train harder. It is how you
>race that counts, not necessarily the result.
> >
> > Now lets talk about someting important like carbon fiber dimpled racing
>tires with ceramic beads. I hear they save .5 watts and can mean the
>differnce between 20th and first place, and you can lose 2 pounds per week
>by riding them only 20 minutes a day three times per week. Fact or fantasy?
> You decide.
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: hutchsraceteam
> >
> >
> > I think that was well put. And remember there are other Championships
>for riders in other States and Levels. I would like OBRA to up the anti
>though and offer free registration to all OBRA events to the Senior
>Champions of the Crit and RR provided that they wear their Championship
>jersey in an event that they won. This would bring a lot more meaning and
>value to the winner. Some promoters in the USCF do this for the National
>Champions.
> >
> > I still am for a race based on participation due to politics and any
>chance of any change. As far as administration goes, this is the year
>2007. OBRA has come up with a program online that can tell me all the races
>I placed in for the last two years. Are you telling me someone could not
>add a function to this database to print out a report by category of the
>number of events all riders road between two dates? The registration desk
>would have a print out off all the riders in a category and would check and
>high light all riders who qualified. Riders that did not qualify will
>still be allowed to ride but with different numbers. Once the race has
>finished the officials would check the top ten based on the numbers or the
>high lighted list and a new Championship would be announced. The hard part
>in all of this would be the politics in selecting the number of races that
>qualify for the Championship.
> >
> > The No OBRA Membership Registration on the day of the race is probably
>the simplest solution but is not strong enough.
> >
> > AP
> >
> > Erik Long wrote:
> > The idea behind a State Championship, Brian, is to get as many of a
>given state's riders (regardless of city residence and hair color) gathered
>on the same course, on the same day, for the same race. You want to win
>that race because of the recognition that comes with beating the rest of
>the riders in your state, in your category in the most fiercely contested
>one-day race held within your state.
> > This is why it doesn't make sense to have out-of-state riders competing
>in such an event. The Idea behind such a race is to determine who can win
>amongst Oregon's racers. If Oregon's ridrers are competing against (or
>being helped by) Washington and California riders, it ceases to be an
>Oregon Championship and becomes just another road race, with a different
>medal.
> > -Erik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Brian Mack
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships???
> > Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:29:25 -0700
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm a little confused - What makes one race on the calendar special
> > enough to be called a championship race? Why should I care more about
> > winning it vs. any of the other road races out there, and why would
> > anyone care if an out-of-stater beat them at that race more than any
> > other?
> >
> > Is the idea that OBRA is so infested with racers from Ca and Wa that we
> > have to have a special race just to determine who the best person is in
> > this state? Why would anyone care who that was? How about a blonde
> > hair championships, or Portland championship, or one for people owning
> > an SUV?
> >
> > Or is it more arbitrary, just saying that everyone in the state should
> > show up at some random event so that we can determine who the best rider
> > is out of everybody. The winner on that particular day, in the weather
> > that it had, on that kind of course, out of the people who didn't crash
> > or have flats, whose tactics happened to work... who cares?
> >
> > Whatever it is that makes the race meaningful is how it should be
> > restricted. For my part, if I show up, it'll only be for a chance to
> > win a free shirt with a nice picture on the front and pockets in the
> > back, and I probably won't care too much if I get beat by a guy from
> > Washington, or if he has three legs or drives a Buick or has four
> > testicles.
> >
> > Brian
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