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What did you expect when you raised a subject like that?

It is like throwing gasoline on some smoulding embers.

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George Schreck
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> Why do these subjects get SO blown out of proportion on here? My original
> question was about qualifications and how to keep the championships WITHIN the
> OBRA membership. Some make this sound like we want to exclude our neighbors who
> are supporting OBRA members. (in my opinion doing one race does not make you a
> supporting member)
> I was not in contention for a medal. I just observed a guy from way down in Cal.
> win one and I thought it seemed unfair to all those that race here consistently.
> All championships have some rules regarding participation.
>
> ---- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> > If the championship fields were large you might have a point, but some of the
> events that I have done already have small field sizes when you include the out
> of state riders. Taking out the out of state riders would only make the
> situation worse. I have little interest in racing against ten people even if it
> would mean I get a gold medal. In fact it would mean less than getting a high
> placing in a large competitive field.
> >
> > If anyone gets hurt by letting out of state riders in it is me, as I get
> killed by David Zimbleman every year (I have a good selection of silver medals,
> except last year when he took pity on me) but I would not have it any other way.
> Let them all come and just train harder. It is how you race that counts, not
> necessarily the result.
> >
> > Now lets talk about someting important like carbon fiber dimpled racing tires
> with ceramic beads. I hear they save .5 watts and can mean the differnce
> between 20th and first place, and you can lose 2 pounds per week by riding them
> only 20 minutes a day three times per week. Fact or fantasy? You decide.
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: hutchsraceteam
> >
> >
> > I think that was well put. And remember there are other Championships for
> riders in other States and Levels. I would like OBRA to up the anti though and
> offer free registration to all OBRA events to the Senior Champions of the Crit
> and RR provided that they wear their Championship jersey in an event that they
> won. This would bring a lot more meaning and value to the winner. Some
> promoters in the USCF do this for the National Champions.
> >
> > I still am for a race based on participation due to politics and any chance of
> any change. As far as administration goes, this is the year 2007. OBRA has come
> up with a program online that can tell me all the races I placed in for the last
> two years. Are you telling me someone could not add a function to this database
> to print out a report by category of the number of events all riders road
> between two dates? The registration desk would have a print out off all the
> riders in a category and would check and high light all riders who qualified.
> Riders that did not qualify will still be allowed to ride but with different
> numbers. Once the race has finished the officials would check the top ten based
> on the numbers or the high lighted list and a new Championship would be
> announced. The hard part in all of this would be the politics in selecting the
> number of races that qualify for the Championship.
> >
> > The No OBRA Membership Registration on the day of the race is probably the
> simplest solution but is not strong enough.
> >
> > AP
> >
> > Erik Long wrote:
> > The idea behind a State Championship, Brian, is to get as many of a given
> state's riders (regardless of city residence and hair color) gathered on the
> same course, on the same day, for the same race. You want to win that race
> because of the recognition that comes with beating the rest of the riders in
> your state, in your category in the most fiercely contested one-day race held
> within your state.
> > This is why it doesn't make sense to have out-of-state riders competing in
> such an event. The Idea behind such a race is to determine who can win amongst
> Oregon's racers. If Oregon's ridrers are competing against (or being helped by)
> Washington and California riders, it ceases to be an Oregon Championship and
> becomes just another road race, with a different medal.
> > -Erik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Brian Mack
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships???
> > Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:29:25 -0700
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm a little confused - What makes one race on the calendar special
> > enough to be called a championship race? Why should I care more about
> > winning it vs. any of the other road races out there, and why would
> > anyone care if an out-of-stater beat them at that race more than any
> > other?
> >
> > Is the idea that OBRA is so infested with racers from Ca and Wa that we
> > have to have a special race just to determine who the best person is in
> > this state? Why would anyone care who that was? How about a blonde
> > hair championships, or Portland championship, or one for people owning
> > an SUV?
> >
> > Or is it more arbitrary, just saying that everyone in the state should
> > show up at some random event so that we can determine who the best rider
> > is out of everybody. The winner on that particular day, in the weather
> > that it had, on that kind of course, out of the people who didn't crash
> > or have flats, whose tactics happened to work... who cares?
> >
> > Whatever it is that makes the race meaningful is how it should be
> > restricted. For my part, if I show up, it'll only be for a chance to
> > win a free shirt with a nice picture on the front and pockets in the
> > back, and I probably won't care too much if I get beat by a guy from
> > Washington, or if he has three legs or drives a Buick or has four
> > testicles.
> >
> > Brian
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