Candi Murray
It has been interesting to see all your responses. It you feel strong enough
about it, write it up as a rule change and submit to for vote for the annual
meeting. Besides just the idea you will have to have a way of implementing
and policing.
Candi
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Behalf Of cbsnaik@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:42 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] state champ residence
For proof of residence:
If you race in wash or Ca, you have to have a USCF liscence, and that says
your state of residence on it. If that doesnt say oregon as your residing
state, then you shouldnt be able to do a Or state championship, or win any
Or state leaders jerseys in the NRC races. You should have to have a Or
drivers license I think. I think most everyone has one of those. I dont
see why we should feel bad about excluding people who dont live here.
California wont let you race in their championship races unless you live
there, I dont see why we should have it differently.
chris
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Today's Topics:
1. does anyone know who runs cyclingrocks.com? (Candi Murray)
2. State Championships (masessa@charter.net
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3. (no subject)
4. Good News from the Mayors office (James Thomas)
5. Re: State Championships (Candi Murray)
6. (no subject)
7. WTB: 10 spd derailleurs (Laurel Gitlen)
8. Re: State Championships (Mike Murray)
9. (no subject)
10. Re: State Championships (Tim Schauer)
11. (no subject)
12. Re: State Championships (masessa@charter.net
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13. Re: State Championships (tackyglueit)
14. Re: State Championships (hutchsraceteam)
15. (no subject)
16. FS Chris King Single Speed Hub (Jim Cavalieri)
17. Re: State Championships (STEVEN R HOLLAND)
18. (no subject)
19. Re: State Championships (gschreckchat@comcast.net
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20. (no subject)
21. Re: State Championships (Joe Cipale)
22. Sold Chris King Single Speed Hub (Jim Cavalieri)
23. (no subject) (Guy Smith)
24. Emailing: medals 001.jpg (Dave Masessa)
25. Re: FW: Championship jerseys (David Auker)
26. FW: Platinum Bike Master Plan (Long, Steve)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:54:21 -0700
From: "Candi Murray" >
Subject: [OBRA Chat] does anyone know who runs cyclingrocks.com?
To: >
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They have a picture I would like to shrink wrap the new truck in.
Candi
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:20:08 -0700
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: OBRA >
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Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:22:41 -0700
From: James Thomas >
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Good News from the Mayors office
To: obra@list.obra.org
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It looks like that check I write to the city of Portland every 3
months is doing something....
CITY OF
PORTLAND, OREGON Tom Potter, Mayor
TO: Commissioner Sam Adams
Commissioner Randy Leonard
Commissioner Dan Saltman
Commissioner Erik Sten
Auditor Gary Blackmer
FROM: Mayor Tom Potter
DATE: May 7,2007
SUBJECT: Additional One-Time Revenue for FY 2007-08 Approved Budget
OMF has advised me of S2 million in additional revenue in FY 2006-07
from higher than expected
business license receipts. These funds were received and reported
following the April 15 business
tax filing deadline. This will result in 52 million in additional one-
time funds for FY 2007-08. The
timing of this good news fits well with budget approval on May 16,
Council Execs met last week and developed a list of currently
unfunded priority requests to include
in the Approved Budget. These indude:
Wordstock Event S100,OOO Commissioner Sten
School/Family/HousingI nitiative S30.000 Commissioner Sten
* 2417 T Support for Fire $70,000 Commissioner Sten
Platinum Bicycle Master Plan S 100,000 Commissioner Adams
Artspartners S 100,000 Commissioner Adams
Bumside Couch Enhancement Planning $500,000 Cormmissioner Adam
These requests total $900,000. 1 am directing OMF to include these
items in the "change memo"
they are distributing today. We will use this as the basis for
approving the Proposed Budget as
amended by the change memo.
Additionally, the Parks Bureau is tabling $450,000 in requests for
Westmodand Park current1 y
included in the Proposed Budget until next year when engineering
studies are completed. Instead,
the change memo should reflect the following requests for Parks:
Tree Policy & Code Project $260,336 Commissioner Sal tzman
City Nature Trail Planning $45,379 Commissioner Saltzman
Parks Service Level Work S80,OOO Commissioner Saltzman
Westmoreland Stadium Engineering $65.000 Commissioner Saltzman
In addition to the requests that can now be funded, there are other
requests that are important to the
Council and the community and that have already received scrutiny in
the FY 2007-08 budget
process. I propose that these i terns should be considered for
priority funding in the fail BUMP if
additional one-time funds are realized at year-end. I'm also asking
OMF to include in the revised
financial policies that we'll consider in June a provision that
dedicates at least 25% of unanticipated
ending fund balance, as determined by OMF and reported in the fall
Budget Monitoring Process, to
capital expenditures as an important step to begin funding our unmet
asset management needs.
Here's a partial list, and I welcome your input on others, so that we
together develop a list of
requests that will be the first to be funded with any additional one-
time funds in the fall.
Additional cost of archives center at PSU above what's been budgeted.
Balance of original request for visioning and strategic planning,
once Council adopts the
vision.
Emergency operations center or regional training center facility
costs if sites are identified-
Funds that may be needed to acquire buildings or other assets that
Multnomah County may
not need, assisting the City in its needs for facilities while
providing the County with
additional one-time funds.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:31:32 -0700
From: "Candi Murray" >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: >,
>
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Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230
come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling
them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships
Candi
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Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent
past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at
least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and
took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to
me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might
come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon
races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:37:32 -0700
From: "Laurel Gitlen"
>
Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: 10 spd derailleurs
To: obra@list.obra.org
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>
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looking for some cheap derailleurs that will run with DA-10 speed -
used 105's would be great. email me offlist laurelgitlenatgmail.com
thanks!
L
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:49:30 -0700
From: "Mike Murray" >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: "'OBRA'" >
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The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in
Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as
proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one? Mailing
address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest
definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be proposed.
Mike Murray
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Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the =
recent
past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in =
at
least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license =
and
took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong =
to
me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he =
might
come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other =
Oregon
races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:54:46 -0700
From: "Tim Schauer" >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: >, >, >
Message-ID: >
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Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
-Tim Schauer
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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net ; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi
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Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:00:29 -0700
From: >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
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If it's going to be a "State Championship" it could be just residents. But,
I
agree it would suck to exclude our neighbors (like Yreka also) who support
OBRA
every year. Maybe you should have to have a license at the start of the
season
to qualify for a Championship placing.
This may be a rare case since the championship race was in S. Oregon this
year
and more Californians came up. I just hate seeing OBRA people bumped out by
a
one time racer from Cali. Maybe we could charge them triple for an annual
license. j/k
---- Mike Murray >
wrote:
> The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in
> Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as
> proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one?
Mailing
> address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest
> definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be
proposed.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
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> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
>
> From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent
> past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at
> least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license
and
> took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong
to
> me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might
> come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other
Oregon
> races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
> qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:03:27 -0700
From: tackyglueit >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: "Tim Schauer"
>
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?
On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer > wrote:
>
> Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
> OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
> OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
>
> -Tim Schauer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
> Behalf Of Candi Murray
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> To: masessa@charter.net ;
obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
> Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
> 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
> calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> championships Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
> From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
> recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
> annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
> This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
> reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
> listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
> Dave M
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:22:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: hutchsraceteam >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
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I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races
frequently
in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible for the
USCF
Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to
restrict
the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with
a
way to administer it.
I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the
Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a
membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships
available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically
I
realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider
from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.
AP
tackyglueit > wrote:
why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently
racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?
On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer > wrote: Yep! There are
certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
-Tim Schauer
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net ; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the
Seattle
area
during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State
Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the
Championship
based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way to
administer
it.
eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show
up
and buy a membership and take home the
Championship. There are other
Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels.
Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we
almost
had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.
tackyglueit >
wrote:
why would someone
fromVancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you
livein qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?
On 5/7/07, TimSchauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>
wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a
lotof loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SWWashington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of theriver too!...;-)
-Tim Schauer
-----Original
Message-----
From:[mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org ]On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRAChat] State Championships
Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our
2032riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I havetried to get away from
calling them the StateChampionships and just calling them the OBRA
championshipsCandi
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] StateChampionships
From what I can gather the qualifications for the
OregonState
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRAlicense
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined inthe
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California boughtan
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rdplace).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for
that
reason or hethought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as
doingany other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an
Oregonresident to qualify?
Dave
M
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:34:45 -0700
From: Jim Cavalieri >
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS Chris King Single Speed Hub
To: obra@list.obra.org
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New in box. Black Chris King single speed disc rear hub. Includes 18 tooth
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:36:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: STEVEN R HOLLAND >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: hutchsraceteam
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Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out what the medal
says
"OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi said,
these
are "OBRA" championships not state championships.
That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a medal after
buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race.......
hutchsraceteam >
wrote:
I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races
frequently in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible
for
the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be
to
restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is
coming up
with a way to administer it.
I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the
Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a
membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships
available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically
I
realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider
from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.
AP
tackyglueit > wrote:
why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently
racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?
On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer > wrote: Yep! There are
certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
-Tim Schauer
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net ; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
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medal
says "OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi
said,
these are "OBRA" championships not state championships.
after
buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race.......
hutchsraceteam
>
wrote:
I see value on bothsides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the
Seattle
areaduring the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State
Championship? I think a good
compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA
participation.The problem is coming up with a way to administer it.
I have nothing
againstfrequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships. It is that
fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take home the
Championship. There are other
Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels.
Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we
almosthad a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.
AP
tackyglueit >wrote:
why would someone
fromVancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you
livein qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?
On 5/7/07, TimSchauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>
wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a
lotof loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SWWashington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of theriver too!...;-)
-Tim Schauer
-----Original
Message-----
From:[mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org ]On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRAChat] State Championships
Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our
2032riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I havetried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just
callingthem the OBRA
championships Candi
-----Original
Message-----
From:[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To:OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
From what I can
gatherthe qualifications for the Oregon State
Championships, in any event, is
thatthe racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed?
Andhas this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that
thisweekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from CentralCalifornia bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship
medal(3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just
forthat
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't
seehim
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring
aperson to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave
M
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 23:36:11 +0000
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: tackyglueit >,
"Tim Schauer"
>
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Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship. Given the
fact
that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think those people
belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across the river
and
put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not think it
would
be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the Columbia
like
Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was certainly proud
of
his National Championship. This is not to ignore people in Northern
California
who race in Oregon as well.
Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are the better
racer, I
guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their
participation.
I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is no reason to
follow
their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large
contingent
of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of an issue.
--
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: tackyglueit >
why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?
On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer > wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
-Tim Schauer
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net ; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
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the
fact that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think those
people belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across the
river and put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not
think
it would be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the
Columbia like Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was
certainly proud of his National Championship. This is not to ignore people
in
Northern California who race in Oregon as well.
racer, I guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their
participation.
to
follow their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large
contingent of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of
an
issue.
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: tackyglueit>
why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently
racingoutside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?
On 5/7/07, TimSchauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>
wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal,very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW
Washington.There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the rivertoo!...;-)
-Tim Schauer
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org[mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org ]On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRAChat] State Championships
Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our
2032riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I havetried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just call
ing them the OBRA
championships Candi
-----OriginalMessage-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] StateChampionships
From what I can gather the qualifications for the
OregonState
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRAlicense
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined inthe
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California boughtan
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rdplace).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for
that
reason or he thought he might come up for anotherrace.
I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts
onrequiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
DaveM
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:47:50 -0700
From: "Joe Cipale" >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: tackyglueit >
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <200705072347.l47NloVs025978@sapphire.spiritone.com
>
Hoooboy... let the smack-down start...
Many of us who live in Vancouver and race in OBRA because the nearest WA
race is
up North at Mason Lake.
Otherwise we are looking at making long drives to race 'in state'. As long
as I
have been a member (going on 15 years now), OBRA has never excluded based on
state of residence, nor should they. If a OBRA member lives in Washington...
or
Idaho... or California and takes advantage of what promoters have to offer,
then
they should be eligible to win OBRA Championships.
Joe C.
tackyglueit wrote:
> why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
> outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
> privileges?
>
>
>
> On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer > wrote:
> >
> > Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
> > OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
> > OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
> >
> > -Tim Schauer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
> > Behalf Of Candi Murray
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> > To: masessa@charter.net ;
obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> >
> > Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
> > 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
> > calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> > championships Candi
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
> > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> > To: OBRA
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> >
> > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
> > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
> > recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> > Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
> > annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
> > This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
> > reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
> > listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> > Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
> > Dave M
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:56:04 -0700
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sold Chris King Single Speed Hub
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:57:21 -0700
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