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Who cares! Go out and ride your bikes, get stronger and beat everyone. Then it will not matter. Never has so much made of so little (well not really true for OBRA chat). Actually, it reminds me of an adage from academia. "The fighting in in academia is so vicious precisely because the stakes are so small."
Most of your solutions are too difficult to manage and make us look as parochial. Unfortunately, Oregonians are, but lets try to keep it a secret, as it would be nice to look more sophisticated to the rest of the world. Also, your proposed solutions would only breed more of this chatter and whining.
Put some of this energy into supporting the championships and weekend races. I have been at some races where the fields were less than 20, and a sizeable number of those were from Washington.
Also, how many of the complainers ever lost a medal to an out of state rider. Isn't this hypothetical for most.
Sorry in advance for offending anyone (not really).
Nice day, time to ride. Turn off computer. See you out there.
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Ty Lambert"
> This is exactly what David Russell said 100 e-mails ago. It totally makes
> sense!
>
> Ty Lambert
> Portland Velo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Schauer"
> To: ;
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
>
> > We Could.....
> >
> > Once a State residency process is "decided" .....
> >
> > take the approach that the Top Oregon Resident finisher, is the Oregon
> > STATE Champion and the winner is the OBRA Champion. And maybe most of
> > the time the winner is both the State Champ and the OBRA Champ. We could
> > also just rely on residency to be based on what people put on their OBRA
> > license application, without verification. The great old honor system!
> >
> > Does this seem too simple?
> >
> > -Tim Schauer
> > Vancouver, WA Resident
> > OBRA Member since 1999
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > Behalf Of Mike Murray
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:40 PM
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> >
> > Some people have no problem with out of state people at the State
> > Championships and some people would prefer to either not have them there
> > or to not allow them to win the medal.
> >
> > The thing that keeps getting lost in this discussion is how do we define
> > Oregon resident? Driver's license was suggested but some adults do not
> > have one, some people who have lived here for some time still have an
> > out of state license and none of the kids under 16 have one. Residence
> > in Oregon?
> > If I have a home in OR but I live most of the time elsewhere does that
> > count? How long do you have to live there? 1 week? 6 weeks? 6
> > months?
> > How would we check that? Mailing address? Anyone can get a PO Box in
> > Oregon regardless of residence. Someone suggested that the person must
> > compete in a specific number of events in OR but checking for that
> > before handing out awards would be seriously onerous even with the
> > spiffy applications that Scott Willson has written for the OBRA site.
> >
> > The easiest definition is do you have an OBRA membership. Excluding day
> > of race purchase, as some have suggested, would potentially exclude
> > actual residents who have not yet purchased membership while not
> > excluding non-residents who have the ability to think ahead.
> >
> > If anyone thinks that excluding non-residents is a good idea AND they
> > have a workable way to do this then what they need to do is propose a
> > rule change
> > at the annual meeting then we will vote on it.
> >
> > Mike Murray
> >
> >
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