Greg Crane
George is 100% right. This is mostly hypothetical
talk over a small matter. Why would we want to make a
rule change now, shouldn't we wait until after the
hypothetical becomes reality? I'm sure the first
person who losses a medal in this situation will
understand the wisdom of our actions (or lack of
action). This idea of waiting until it is too late is
a time tested method, lets not mess with a good thing.
Greg
P.S. I wish I could go out and ride my bike right
now, but my wife has to go to work early while I watch
the kids.
--- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> Who cares! Go out and ride your bikes, get stronger
> and beat everyone. Then it will not matter. Never
> has so much made of so little (well not really true
> for OBRA chat). Actually, it reminds me of an adage
> from academia. "The fighting in in academia is so
> vicious precisely because the stakes are so small."
>
> Most of your solutions are too difficult to manage
> and make us look as parochial. Unfortunately,
> Oregonians are, but lets try to keep it a secret, as
> it would be nice to look more sophisticated to the
> rest of the world. Also, your proposed solutions
> would only breed more of this chatter and whining.
>
> Put some of this energy into supporting the
> championships and weekend races. I have been at
> some races where the fields were less than 20, and a
> sizeable number of those were from Washington.
>
> Also, how many of the complainers ever lost a medal
> to an out of state rider. Isn't this hypothetical
> for most.
>
> Sorry in advance for offending anyone (not really).
>
> Nice day, time to ride. Turn off computer. See you
> out there.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Ty Lambert"
>
> > This is exactly what David Russell said 100
> e-mails ago. It totally makes
> > sense!
> >
> > Ty Lambert
> > Portland Velo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Schauer"
> > To: ;
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 2:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> >
> >
> > > We Could.....
> > >
> > > Once a State residency process is "decided"
> .....
> > >
> > > take the approach that the Top Oregon Resident
> finisher, is the Oregon
> > > STATE Champion and the winner is the OBRA
> Champion. And maybe most of
> > > the time the winner is both the State Champ and
> the OBRA Champ. We could
> > > also just rely on residency to be based on what
> people put on their OBRA
> > > license application, without verification. The
> great old honor system!
> > >
> > > Does this seem too simple?
> > >
> > > -Tim Schauer
> > > Vancouver, WA Resident
> > > OBRA Member since 1999
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Mike Murray
> > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:40 PM
> > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> > >
> > > Some people have no problem with out of state
> people at the State
> > > Championships and some people would prefer to
> either not have them there
> > > or to not allow them to win the medal.
> > >
> > > The thing that keeps getting lost in this
> discussion is how do we define
> > > Oregon resident? Driver's license was suggested
> but some adults do not
> > > have one, some people who have lived here for
> some time still have an
> > > out of state license and none of the kids under
> 16 have one. Residence
> > > in Oregon?
> > > If I have a home in OR but I live most of the
> time elsewhere does that
> > > count? How long do you have to live there? 1
> week? 6 weeks? 6
> > > months?
> > > How would we check that? Mailing address? Anyone
> can get a PO Box in
> > > Oregon regardless of residence. Someone
> suggested that the person must
> > > compete in a specific number of events in OR but
> checking for that
> > > before handing out awards would be seriously
> onerous even with the
> > > spiffy applications that Scott Willson has
> written for the OBRA site.
> > >
> > > The easiest definition is do you have an OBRA
> membership. Excluding day
> > > of race purchase, as some have suggested, would
> potentially exclude
> > > actual residents who have not yet purchased
> membership while not
> > > excluding non-residents who have the ability to
> think ahead.
> > >
> > > If anyone thinks that excluding non-residents is
> a good idea AND they
> > > have a workable way to do this then what they
> need to do is propose a
> > > rule change
> > > at the annual meeting then we will vote on it.
> > >
> > > Mike Murray
> > >
> > >
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