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I am not sure we want to put the photographers in the position of being the policemen of these things. The photogrpahers are there for a different purpose and may not be taking photos of all the teams or posting all of the pictures. We have officials, and if they see things, fine, but if they do not and no other participant sees it at the time and protests, I do not think we should be submiting after the fact evidence that may have been taken in a random fashion and for a different purpose.

I realize this may not approach the perfection that many in OBRA desire, but the quest foor perfection often leads to more complexity and other problems. There is some elegance in simplicity

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George Schreck
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From: "Candi Murray"

> Scenario
> A team time trial. Times are posted at the start. Long drive home and the
> wonderful OBRA photographers start to post their wares. A 2nd place team
> notes that the team that beat them by a mere 7 seconds is photographed over
> the centerline in no less then 4 pictures. Protest is filed. Results are
> posted on the web 20 minutes later.
>
>
> What to do?
>
> OBRA rules state
>
> 15.1.2 Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the
> right of the centerline
>
> 11.1 No rider shall benefit from his or her misconduct. No team shall
> benefit from its misconduct, or the misconduct of one of its members.
>
> 12.3 Protests concerning incidents during the race will be presented to the
> Chief Referee in writing and accompanied by a fee of $10, which will be
> forwarded to OBRA. They must be submitted within 15 minutes of the
> protester's finish
>
>
> Presuming this is a standard "though shalt not cross the centerline" event,
> it's a DQ. 6" centerline violations in the corner would be applying rules to
> apply rules. This is flagrantly cutting the corner and the distance. If
> the photographs were the only four turns that they cut, its probably worth 5
> seconds at best. Since we all know that if this happened in the
> photographs, it happened at 90% of the opportunities on the course.
>
> If the violating team is disqualified does every team evidenced by the
> photographs get disqualified? Or just the one protest acted upon?
>
> Do we allow the 15 minute rule from acting on the matter. Are results really
> formally posted at the event or is the on line results the final results.
> Its obviously not in everyone's interest to allow results to stand when
> there is flagrant cheating. The UIC allows "evidence"
> after the fact to be submitted and disqualification to happen significantly
> later.
>
> So many things to take into consideration.
>
> Any help?
> Candi
>
>
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