Evan Plews
It was a TTT who is supposed to see them?
If our team is in the photos and the centerline rule was in effect, I
request our team be DQ'ed. I of course challenge all the other team managers
in OBRA to step up and follow the rules. Cheating is wrong and has virtually
ruined cycling over and over again.
If someone gets away with cheating because no one sees them that is
unfortunate. That is not the case here! The photos prove otherwise.
Riding on the left side of the road is only LAWFUL if the course is closed.
In effect each of these teams is not only breaking OBRA rules but the law as
well. What kind of image do we want in our community?
Furthermore, if a car was on the course and hit and killed a rider (or four)
over the line then what? I don't imagine anyone here has the answer to that
question...
Evan Plews
Capitol Subaru Cycling
----Original Message Follows----
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
To: cmurray@obra.org,
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rules- The letter of the law? Intrepretation
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:27:43 +0000
I am not sure we want to put the photographers in the position of being the
policemen of these things. The photogrpahers are there for a different
purpose and may not be taking photos of all the teams or posting all of the
pictures. We have officials, and if they see things, fine, but if they do
not and no other participant sees it at the time and protests, I do not
think we should be submiting after the fact evidence that may have been
taken in a random fashion and for a different purpose.
I realize this may not approach the perfection that many in OBRA desire, but
the quest foor perfection often leads to more complexity and other problems.
There is some elegance in simplicity
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Candi Murray"
> Scenario
> A team time trial. Times are posted at the start. Long drive home and the
> wonderful OBRA photographers start to post their wares. A 2nd place team
> notes that the team that beat them by a mere 7 seconds is photographed
over
> the centerline in no less then 4 pictures. Protest is filed. Results are
> posted on the web 20 minutes later.
>
>
> What to do?
>
> OBRA rules state
>
> 15.1.2 Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to
the
> right of the centerline
>
> 11.1 No rider shall benefit from his or her misconduct. No team shall
> benefit from its misconduct, or the misconduct of one of its members.
>
> 12.3 Protests concerning incidents during the race will be presented to
the
> Chief Referee in writing and accompanied by a fee of $10, which will be
> forwarded to OBRA. They must be submitted within 15 minutes of the
> protester's finish
>
>
> Presuming this is a standard "though shalt not cross the centerline"
event,
> it's a DQ. 6" centerline violations in the corner would be applying rules
to
> apply rules. This is flagrantly cutting the corner and the distance. If
> the photographs were the only four turns that they cut, its probably
worth 5
> seconds at best. Since we all know that if this happened in the
> photographs, it happened at 90% of the opportunities on the course.
>
> If the violating team is disqualified does every team evidenced by the
> photographs get disqualified? Or just the one protest acted upon?
>
> Do we allow the 15 minute rule from acting on the matter. Are results
really
> formally posted at the event or is the on line results the final results.
> Its obviously not in everyone's interest to allow results to stand when
> there is flagrant cheating. The UIC allows "evidence"
> after the fact to be submitted and disqualification to happen
significantly
> later.
>
> So many things to take into consideration.
>
> Any help?
> Candi
>
>
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