Robin Calver

Consider this: Suppose there was a video camera following every team for the
duration of their run, then there would be a complete objective record.

However, as of today a full video record still would not trump Rule 12.3.
Rule 12.3 has not been amended for the 2007 season and controls this
situation. The protests fail as a matter of procedure.

Don't like Rule 12.3? Propose a change for the 2008 season.

Robin

>From: EAL
>To: cmurray@obra.org, obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rules- The letter of the law? Intrepretation
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:04:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I wasn't there and I didn't race. So I don't have a dog in this hunt.
>That said, Rule 12.3 isn't ambiguous:
>
> Protests concerning incidents during the race will be presented to
>the Chief Referee in writing and accompanied by a fee of $10, which will
>be forwarded to OBRA. They must be submitted within 15 minutes of the
>protester's finish
>
>
> This kind of rule exists in one form or another in nearly all sporting
>events. There is a strong desire for certainty and closure for an event
>and aggrieved parties must act quickly and with certainty or move on to the
>next race.
>
> So while DQ is not appropriate, public reprimand etc. is still fair game
>and a team that wants to forfiet on their own is certainly welcome to.
>
> Just my .002 adjusted for inflation.
>
> Ed Lanton
>
>
>Candi Murray wrote:
> Scenario
>A team time trial. Times are posted at the start. Long drive home and the
>wonderful OBRA photographers start to post their wares. A 2nd place team
>notes that the team that beat them by a mere 7 seconds is photographed over
>the centerline in no less then 4 pictures. Protest is filed. Results are
>posted on the web 20 minutes later.
>
>
>What to do?
>
>OBRA rules state
>
>15.1.2 Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the
>right of the centerline
>
>11.1 No rider shall benefit from his or her misconduct. No team shall
>benefit from its misconduct, or the misconduct of one of its members.
>
>12.3 Protests concerning incidents during the race will be presented to the
>Chief Referee in writing and accompanied by a fee of $10, which will be
>forwarded to OBRA. They must be submitted within 15 minutes of the
>protester's finish
>
>
>Presuming this is a standard "though shalt not cross the centerline" event,
>it's a DQ. 6" centerline violations in the corner would be applying rules
>to
>apply rules. This is flagrantly cutting the corner and the distance. If
>the photographs were the only four turns that they cut, its probably worth
>5
>seconds at best. Since we all know that if this happened in the
>photographs, it happened at 90% of the opportunities on the course.
>
>If the violating team is disqualified does every team evidenced by the
>photographs get disqualified? Or just the one protest acted upon?
>
>Do we allow the 15 minute rule from acting on the matter. Are results
>really
>formally posted at the event or is the on line results the final results.
>Its obviously not in everyone's interest to allow results to stand when
>there is flagrant cheating. The UIC allows "evidence"
>after the fact to be submitted and disqualification to happen significantly
>later.
>
>So many things to take into consideration.
>
>Any help?
>Candi
>
>
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