Raedeke, John

I say we ask the PDX police to do a sting operation on centerline
violators.

john

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Andy Stahl
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:08 AM
To: Luciano bailey; sugahara@mac.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] centerline violation

Luciano,

There is no kind of rule violation evidence that is collected "evenly,"
e.g., only some racers are drug-tested; the official driving behind the
pack cannot monitor evenly the entire pack for centerline violations,
etc. Rule enforcement in any game or sport is intended to be a
deterrent, not a scientific study. Nor is the criminal standard of
irrefutable (i.e., beyond a reasonable doubt) proof appropriate to games
or sports. This isn't about jailing people, it's about playing fair --
something we all should have learned in kindergarten.

Andy

At 03:20 AM 5/17/2007, Luciano bailey wrote:

In sifting through all the dialogue on this issue the remaining case
would be do we have photos of all the teams evenly and accurately
captured to establish true advantage. This would require photos of every
possible site where an infraction could have occured, in order to
establish that kind of irrifutable proof.

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