mckenzie thramer

the girlfriend'd front door was the crime scene, i talked to a few people
and it seems as if the rider was trying to make a yellow light by turning
right, and the car was punching the gas to make the yellow, both sets of
eyes were on the light and not the road, i would say the responisbility is
shared

2008/6/3 Randy Dreiling :

> Sounds like by all accounts this sadly was the bike riders fault.
> Sounds like he ran a light.
>
> Randy Dreiling
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: john
> To: OBRA
> Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:39:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Eugene cyclist killed today
>
> Seatbelts compared to helmets is like comparing a green bean to an
> apple. they are both food but thats it. I bet the majority of automobile
> fatal accidents are due to head injury too. And no one is asking if the
> person was wearing a helmet.
>
>
>
> The majority of fatal bicycle and motorcycle accidents are due to
> automobiles(drivers...) . Don't forget that. emphasis should be on the
> real issue, similar to issues in Iraq, its not going to help much to just
> hand out bullet proof vest and helmets to everyone, the root issue must be
> addressed.
>
>
>
> Helmets are great and everything, but training and education are 100 times
> more important.
>
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 6/3/08, J.Michael Manning * wrote:
>
> From: J.Michael Manning
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Eugene cyclist killed today
> To: masessa@charter.net, "OBRA"
> Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 8:58 AM
>
> When the story reports that the cyclist was wearing no helmet, it paints
> a certain picture of the cyclist. One that I do not identify with. As well,
> I typically make the false assumption that a cyclist without a helmet is not
> a "real" cyclist, and is therefore just one of those knuckleheads out there
> that make us all look irresponsible. But the truth is that I do sometimes
> see racing cyclists who still wish to defy the odds and ignore good
> commonsense by riding in traffic with air blowing in the wind. Helmets are
> an issue and the statistics support the fact that the majority of fatal
> accidents for bicyclists and motorcyclists are due to head trauma.
> Mike Manning
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:50:39 -0700
> > From: masessa@charter.net
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Eugene cyclist killed today
> >
> > It's not really just a bicycle thing to mention whether a rider was
> wearing a helmet. Most auto accident reports make a statement about the
> driver or passenger wearing a seatbelt or not. It's included because it's
> the first question people hearing about an accident ask. If it's not there
> you wonder "were they wearing a helmet/seatbelt?".
> >
> > ---- gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> > > They mention in in all bicycle injuries. When the woman was crished by
> a truck in downtown Portland this year, they mentioned that she was wearing
> a helmet, as if somehow if she had not been wearing a helment, she would
> have been at fault when the truck crushed her. They also mentioned it when a
> guy was hit at 50 mph, as if a styrofoam beer cooler on his head would have
> saved him when getting hit at 50 mph. Somehow it has become the mantra of
> all reporters when reporting on bicycle/vehicle collissions.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > George Schreck
> > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > (503) 502-0425
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Erik
> > > I like how they fail to mention any head trauma, but point out that he
> wasn't wearing a helmet anyway. As if that would've saved him from an impact
> that was hard enough to throw his bike 20 feet into the air.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:03:20 -0700
> > > > From: cdbrandt@gmail.com
> > > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Eugene cyclist killed today
> > > >
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