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Dan Anderson

2016-11-04

You're legally allowed to plead the 5th. You're not allowed to skip the doping test without consequences. It's not the same thing.

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Well, lets hope your not on a jury when somebody pleads the 5th! At the end of the day that is all this is, but pleading the 5th in this circumstance comes with a 4 year ban. Rightfully so, we all go into this knowing the rules to level the playing field.
With that said, John is 100% correct, no 'doper' was caught, inferred maybe, but dangerous territory.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:19 PM, via OBRA wrote:

Yeah right! Big brother is not just various government or doping agencies (look closer at big brother as the global corporations). That could be his weak reason, but from my perspective, he probably had something he did not want the test to find in his urine. Not taking the test is a behavior showing us that he feels he does not need to follow the rules. It is all just about him! ron From: john via OBRA Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 1:23 PMTo: Obra Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Local cyclist gets doping sanction "local dopers sanctioned" << Careful isn't this libel? he just didn't take the doping test, and has received a doping sanction. This doesn't actually mean he's a "doper", he could be clean, just didn't want to submit to big brother, etc.. On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Robert via OBRA wrote:

He raced Baker city last year..
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This person has not been an OBRA member since 2010, and only for that year. On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Nate Gibson via OBRA wrote:

http://www.usada.org/tim-root- receives-doping-sanction/

Haven't seen an Obra member popped in a while!
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john

2016-11-04

Random drug tests at work really irks a few of my colleagues. Impairment
is one thing (e.g. coming to work drunk...) but a "drug" test another
issue... They don't "dope" of course, but its just the principle and the
invasion of privacy. Company just implemented hair testing as well, and
that was the last straw for one guy, He retired, just on
principle. (although he was thinking of shaving all his hair off :) I
personally don't subscribe to this attitude, but for some people, 'personal
freedom' is a very serious matter...

But back on subject: yeah Ron is probably right. But I am just saying you
can't really call him a doper. just a "doping sanctioned cyclist" et al...
Its all very interesting.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:31 PM, My Computer wrote:

> Well, lets hope your not on a jury when somebody pleads the 5th! At the
> end of the day that is all this is, but pleading the 5th in this
> circumstance comes with a 4 year ban. Rightfully so, we all go into this
> knowing the rules to level the playing field.
>
> With that said, John is 100% correct, no 'doper' was caught, inferred
> maybe, but dangerous territory.
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:19 PM, via OBRA wrote:
>
>> Yeah right! Big brother is not just various government or doping
>> agencies (look closer at big brother as the global corporations). That
>> could be his weak reason, but from my perspective, he probably had
>> something he did not want the test to find in his urine. Not taking the
>> test is a behavior showing us that he feels he does not need to follow the
>> rules. It is all just about him!
>> ron
>>
>> *From:* john via OBRA
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 04, 2016 1:23 PM
>> *To:* Obra
>> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Local cyclist gets doping sanction
>>
>> "local dopers sanctioned" << Careful isn't this libel? he just didn't
>> take the doping test, and has received a doping sanction. This doesn't
>> actually mean he's a "doper", he could be clean, just didn't want to submit
>> to big brother, etc..
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Robert via OBRA
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He raced Baker city last year..
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>>> On November 4, 2016 9:48:21 AM PDT, Steven Beardsley via OBRA <
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>>>>
>>>> This person has not been an OBRA member since 2010, and only for that
>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Nate Gibson via OBRA <
>>>> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.usada.org/tim-root-receives-doping-sanction/
>>>>>
>>>>> Haven't seen an Obra member popped in a while!
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Mike Szwaya

2016-11-04

Maybe he had something in his system that wasn't performance-enhancing (e.g. pot or other recreational drug) that would have gotten him fired from a job if his employer somehow found out. I'll take a 4 year racing suspension any day over my career. I don't know the testing rate of amateur athletes but if it's really low, it's possible he thought it was worth the risk.
I have no idea if this is the case but sometimes there are other non-cycling reasons for not wanting people to know what's in your body.

My Computer

2016-11-04

Well, lets hope your not on a jury when somebody pleads the 5th! At the
end of the day that is all this is, but pleading the 5th in this
circumstance comes with a 4 year ban. Rightfully so, we all go into this
knowing the rules to level the playing field.

With that said, John is 100% correct, no 'doper' was caught, inferred
maybe, but dangerous territory.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:19 PM, via OBRA wrote:

> Yeah right! Big brother is not just various government or doping agencies
> (look closer at big brother as the global corporations). That could be his
> weak reason, but from my perspective, he probably had something he did not
> want the test to find in his urine. Not taking the test is a behavior
> showing us that he feels he does not need to follow the rules. It is all
> just about him!
> ron
>
> *From:* john via OBRA
> *Sent:* Friday, November 04, 2016 1:23 PM
> *To:* Obra
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Local cyclist gets doping sanction
>
> "local dopers sanctioned" << Careful isn't this libel? he just didn't
> take the doping test, and has received a doping sanction. This doesn't
> actually mean he's a "doper", he could be clean, just didn't want to submit
> to big brother, etc..
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Robert via OBRA
> wrote:
>
>> He raced Baker city last year..
>> --
>> Sent by an Android >^•^<
>>
>>
>> On November 4, 2016 9:48:21 AM PDT, Steven Beardsley via OBRA <
>> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> This person has not been an OBRA member since 2010, and only for that
>>> year.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Nate Gibson via OBRA <
>>> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.usada.org/tim-root-receives-doping-sanction/
>>>>
>>>> Haven't seen an Obra member popped in a while!
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rond..@spiritone.com

2016-11-04

Yeah right! Big brother is not just various government or doping agencies (look closer at big brother as the global corporations). That could be his weak reason, but from my perspective, he probably had something he did not want the test to find in his urine. Not taking the test is a behavior showing us that he feels he does not need to follow the rules. It is all just about him!
ron

From: john via OBRA
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 1:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Local cyclist gets doping sanction

"local dopers sanctioned" << Careful isn't this libel? he just didn't take the doping test, and has received a doping sanction. This doesn't actually mean he's a "doper", he could be clean, just didn't want to submit to big brother, etc..

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Robert via OBRA wrote:

He raced Baker city last year..
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Sent by an Android >^•^<

On November 4, 2016 9:48:21 AM PDT, Steven Beardsley via OBRA wrote:
This person has not been an OBRA member since 2010, and only for that year.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Nate Gibson via OBRA wrote:

http://www.usada.org/tim-root-receives-doping-sanction/

Haven't seen an Obra member popped in a while!
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Rick Johnson

2016-11-04

It's a variation of the old "but I didn't inhale"...

On 11/4/2016 1:41 PM, via OBRA wrote:
> True. He can now claim to have never tested positive. Where have I
> heard that before?
>
> On 2016-11-04 14:23, john via OBRA wrote:
>> "local dopers sanctioned" << Careful isn't this libel? he just
>> didn't take the doping test, and has received a doping sanction. This
>> doesn't actually mean he's a "doper", he could be clean, just didn't
>> want to submit to big brother, etc..
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Robert via OBRA
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He raced Baker city last year..
>>> --
>>> Sent by an Android >^��^<
>>>
>>> On November 4, 2016 9:48:21 AM PDT, Steven Beardsley via OBRA
>>> wrote:
>>> This person has not been an OBRA member since 2010, and only for
>>> that year.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Nate Gibson via OBRA
>>> wrote:
>>> http://www.usada.org/tim-root-receives-doping-sanction/ [2]
>>>
>>> Haven't seen an Obra member popped in a while!
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Brady Brady

2016-11-04

"...he could be clean, just didn't want to submit to big brother, etc.. "

Indeed, there are infinitely many possibilities. Even with so many possibilities out there, today's challenge, should we choose to accept it, is to find one that is even LESS likely than the one above.

Puhleeeeze.

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Date: Friday, November 4, 2016 at 1:23 PM
To: "obra@list.obra.org" >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Local cyclist gets doping sanction

"local dopers sanctioned" << Careful isn't this libel? he just didn't take the doping test, and has received a doping sanction. This doesn't actually mean he's a "doper", he could be clean, just didn't want to submit to big brother, etc..

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Robert via OBRA > wrote:
He raced Baker city last year..
--
Sent by an Android >^*^<

On November 4, 2016 9:48:21 AM PDT, Steven Beardsley via OBRA > wrote:
This person has not been an OBRA member since 2010, and only for that year.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Nate Gibson via OBRA > wrote:
http://www.usada.org/tim-root-receives-doping-sanction/

Haven't seen an Obra member popped in a while!
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d..@bicyclerepairman.us

2016-11-04

True. He can now claim to have never tested positive. Where have I heard
that before?

On 2016-11-04 14:23, john via OBRA wrote:
> "local dopers sanctioned" << Careful isn't this libel? he just
> didn't take the doping test, and has received a doping sanction. This
> doesn't actually mean he's a "doper", he could be clean, just didn't
> want to submit to big brother, etc..
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Robert via OBRA
> wrote:
>
>> He raced Baker city last year..
>> --
>> Sent by an Android >^��^<
>>
>> On November 4, 2016 9:48:21 AM PDT, Steven Beardsley via OBRA
>> wrote:
>> This person has not been an OBRA member since 2010, and only for
>> that year.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Nate Gibson via OBRA
>> wrote:
>> http://www.usada.org/tim-root-receives-doping-sanction/ [2]
>>
>> Haven't seen an Obra member popped in a while!
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john

2016-11-04

"local dopers sanctioned" << Careful isn't this libel? he just didn't
take the doping test, and has received a doping sanction. This doesn't
actually mean he's a "doper", he could be clean, just didn't want to submit
to big brother, etc..

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Robert via OBRA wrote:

> He raced Baker city last year..
> --
> Sent by an Android >^•^<
>
>
> On November 4, 2016 9:48:21 AM PDT, Steven Beardsley via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>>
>> This person has not been an OBRA member since 2010, and only for that
>> year.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Nate Gibson via OBRA > > wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.usada.org/tim-root-receives-doping-sanction/
>>>
>>> Haven't seen an Obra member popped in a while!
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