Melanie Rathe

The rider in question pre-registered for the masters category and I didn't catch it in registration. The chief judge will make the correction once she has verified her records.
Mel

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From: "Candi Murray via OBRA"
To: "Jimmy"
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:57:13 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Masters

That usually means that there is an error in the database or the rider inadvertedly thought that masters were 30+ and registration did not catch it.
Candi

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From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy via OBRA
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:24 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Masters

how is it that someone that is 31 years old raced and is scored in a Master 35+ field?

just curious
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David Hart

Apparently it is the wrong rider. Corrections will be made soon. No crime
committed.
On Aug 31, 2015 11:57 AM, "Mike Murray via OBRA" wrote:

> Obviously there was an error somewhere but we would have to have more data
> to answer the question. Just a few of the many possibilities:
>
> - Rider entered the wrong race
> - Registration did not note age
> - Rider number not properly recorded so result attributed to another
> rider. For example 123 (age 61) read as 128 (age 34)
> - Age entered into OBRA membership data base improperly
> - Registration entered rider into wrong field
> - etc.
>
> To figure this out we would need to know what race, which rider, etc. The
> proper route to address this would be to send the question, with as much
> info as possible, to the judge for that race. Their e-mail is linked at
> the top of all results on the OBRA page. Given the number of races, number
> of riders and different race officials involved it is inevitable that
> there will be errors made. If these errors are noted and directed to the
> appropriate people there will be an effort to correct them as soon and as
> much as possible.
>
> There are a couple of rules that people should be aware of:
>
> 12.2 Qualification of riders or equipment
> All protests concerning qualification of rider(s) or equipment will be
> resolved by the Chief Referee before the start of the race. No fee
> is required for this type of protest. The Chief Referee must make a
> decision before allowing the race to start.
>
>
> 11.2 Misconduct
> 11.2.1 Punishment
> Misconduct may be punished at the discretion of the Chief
> Referee.
> 11.2.2 Examples of misconduct
> The forms of misconduct include, but are not limited to:
> ...
> - Fraud (including falsifying information on an entry)
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Murray
> Sent from a mobile device.
>
> > On Aug 31, 2015, at 11:24, Jimmy via OBRA wrote:
> >
> > how is it that someone that is 31 years old raced and is scored in a
> Master 35+ field?
> >
> > just curious
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Candi Murray

That usually means that there is an error in the database or the rider inadvertedly thought that masters were 30+ and registration did not catch it.
Candi

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Masters

how is it that someone that is 31 years old raced and is scored in a Master 35+ field?

just curious
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Mike Murray

Obviously there was an error somewhere but we would have to have more data
to answer the question. Just a few of the many possibilities:

- Rider entered the wrong race
- Registration did not note age
- Rider number not properly recorded so result attributed to another
rider. For example 123 (age 61) read as 128 (age 34)
- Age entered into OBRA membership data base improperly
- Registration entered rider into wrong field
- etc.

To figure this out we would need to know what race, which rider, etc. The
proper route to address this would be to send the question, with as much
info as possible, to the judge for that race. Their e-mail is linked at
the top of all results on the OBRA page. Given the number of races, number
of riders and different race officials involved it is inevitable that
there will be errors made. If these errors are noted and directed to the
appropriate people there will be an effort to correct them as soon and as
much as possible.

There are a couple of rules that people should be aware of:

12.2 Qualification of riders or equipment
All protests concerning qualification of rider(s) or equipment will be
resolved by the Chief Referee before the start of the race. No fee
is required for this type of protest. The Chief Referee must make a
decision before allowing the race to start.

11.2 Misconduct
11.2.1 Punishment
Misconduct may be punished at the discretion of the Chief
Referee.
11.2.2 Examples of misconduct
The forms of misconduct include, but are not limited to:
...
- Fraud (including falsifying information on an entry)

Mike Murray

Mike Murray
Sent from a mobile device.

> On Aug 31, 2015, at 11:24, Jimmy via OBRA wrote:
>
> how is it that someone that is 31 years old raced and is scored in a
Master 35+ field?
>
> just curious
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David Hart

I'm looking into it.

Remember all questions should go the chief judge or ref which is located at
the top of the results of the race.

Thanks,

David Hart
CR
On Aug 31, 2015 11:24 AM, "Jimmy via OBRA" wrote:

> how is it that someone that is 31 years old raced and is scored in a
> Master 35+ field?
>
> just curious
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Jimmy

how is it that someone that is 31 years old raced and is scored in a Master 35+ field?

just curious

Dave Campbell

Good question. Have been wondering myself. I know there are LOTS of studly mid 30's, but...
from my perspective...when I race with MYAGE I can actually RACE. When I race with the 1/2's I cannot...I can only hope to hang. Racing is fun...killing yourself just to get 30th is not...my guess is others feel the same way. However...I FULLY respect the promoter's job and perogative and I don't race (Road anyway) that often...but the 2 times I did last yr (PIR and Banana Belt) were in fun, full 35-39 fields!

----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Kendrick Sr
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: 2/18/2006 12:37:12 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Masters

That's a good question, too. Everything else being equal, 39 yr olds can not, on average, stay up with 20 yr olds. (even though it often seems like they can???) If significant percentages of riders try to do this, those individuals are leading us toward unpleasant imbalances.

mark duff wrote:
This year that wont be a problem at any of the BB as the Masters field
starts at 40+ and the isn't a 30-39 field for the masters. Why have all the
promoters gone to a 40+ field and are leaving out those who want to race
Masters 30-39. Just a question????

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oregonyankee@comcast.net

Didn't we go around on this topiclast year? Seems that I recall a similar line of emails. . . Maybe not; might be that I am getting confused with advancing age.

At a racing age of 62, I cannot, on average, stay up with the the forty-somethings much less the thirty-somethings. How many classifications can we have and still field a race? "Masters 30 -39" "Senior Masters 40 - 50" 'Senior - Senior Masters 50 - 60" "Geezer Masters 60+" ???

I'm just trying to stay with the wheel in front of me.
Peter

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: Edward Kendrick Sr

That's a good question, too. Everything else being equal, 39 yr olds can not, on average, stay up with 20 yr olds. (even though it often seems like they can???) If significant percentages of riders try to do this, those individuals are leading us toward unpleasant imbalances.

mark duff wrote:
This year that wont be a problem at any of the BB as the Masters field
starts at 40+ and the isn't a 30-39 field for the masters. Why have all the
promoters gone to a 40+ field and are leaving out those who want to race
Masters 30-39. Just a question????

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Edward Kendrick Sr

That's a good question, too. Everything else being equal, 39 yr olds can not, on average, stay up with 20 yr olds. (even though it often seems like they can???) If significant percentages of riders try to do this, those individuals are leading us toward unpleasant imbalances.

mark duff wrote:
This year that wont be a problem at any of the BB as the Masters field
starts at 40+ and the isn't a 30-39 field for the masters. Why have all the
promoters gone to a 40+ field and are leaving out those who want to race
Masters 30-39. Just a question????

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jean wendling

I understand your feeling Peter. I'm a 66 year old newbie my self with

the competitive fires still burning. Back injuries forced me off the

senior tennis

circuit so I took up bike riding. Last year I raced in 2 mt bike races

but felt I was more in the way then competitive in the beginners group.

This year started road racing but found the same thing. My concern

there however was the safety factor with faster riders around me. I've

come to the conclusion that if I'm going to compete its going to be

against myself and the course, ala golfing, and have taken up time

trialing. I know I'll never win a category or age group, but if I beat

my previous time, I've won my race. As a result I to continue to train

and work toward my goal, personal satisfaction with the enjoyment of

still being a part of a competitive environment. Who knows, with time

there may be a super seniors category for us geezers to get together

and earn bragging rights. Hope to see ya at a race some day, I'll be

wearing number 420.

Jean Wendling