Criterium rules

Ron Magnus

2018-06-26

To reenforce what Steven posted; This rule has been as it stands for eons
and is the same as the ³rest of the world² of crit racing. Better to leave
it as it stands.

Ron

From: OBRA_Officials on behalf of
Steven Beardsley via OBRA_Officials
Reply-To: Steven Beardsley
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 9:09 AM
To: Candi Murray
Cc: OBRA Officials
Subject: Re: [OBRA Officials] Criterium rules

Our crit rule is the same as USAC crit rule regarding lapped riders. I think
changing this rule would be a bad idea, both because the rule makes sense
for crit racing and it makes it so we don't have a rule discrepancy that
could cause major confusion for our of town riders. Think of it this way, If
one or two riders lap the field (all other riders are down a lap), do all
the other riders not get to contest the sprint for the rest of the places?

If riders getting lapped and riding dangerously in the field is a concern,
the official can just pull the rider that was lapped (15.4.3).

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 4:43 PM Candi Murray via OBRA_Officials
wrote:
> Everyone-
> Possible discussion about crit rules. Thoughts?
> Candi
>
>
>
> 15.1.2 General rules
>
> - Riders on different laps may not work together. Lapped riders may not assist
> or hinder other riders on the lead lap, and must becareful not to interfere in
> any sprint or the finish.
>
> 15.4 Criteriums
>
> The rules in this section are exceptions to the Individual RoadRacing Rules.
> In all cases not specifically covered here, theIndividual Road Racing Rules
> apply.
>
> 15.4.5 Rider collusion
>
> Riders on different laps may work together, but no rider may drop
>
> back to help another rider.
>
>
>
> Since there is no mention of a lapped rider interferring on a sprint in the
> criterium rules, the situation falls back to the general rules. Do you agree
> Candi?
>
>
> Chuck Kenlan
>
> Executive Director
>
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>
> 320 SW Century Dr Ste 405-396
>
> Bend, OR 97702
>
> (541)480-6970
>
> http://obra.org/
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Jeff Tedder
> wrote:
>>
>> Ya that would be good to knowŠas I have always been told and understanding if
>> you get lapped you can hang in the group but cannot contest the finishŠ.. or
>> help mates etcŠ.
>> Let me know : )
>>
>> Tx
>>
>> From: Candi Murray. [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:04 AM
>>
>>
>> To: Jeff Tedder
>> Cc: Chuck Kenlan
>> Subject: Re: Hammer Crit Invoice attached
>>
>>
>> I believe that lapped riders are allowed to race in a crit. I will reread the
>> rules when I get home
>>
>> Candi
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Jeff Tedder
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No the crash happened with a half a lap to go in the raceŠ..as far as I know
>>> he had no incident before that but well ask Mark the mechanic to make
>>> sureŠ.. just wanting to make sure if that was the case that he knows what
>>> the rules are so everyone stays safeŠ.because with a lap or 2 to go there
>>> some bickering within that groups of unsafe riding, so thinking maybe it was
>>> him they were telling he was not suppose to be in thereŠ.going to confirm
>>> with Colin when he calls me backŠwell keep you guys updated on what I
>>> hearŠ..
>>> tx
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Chuck Kenlan [mailto:ckenlan@obra.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:49 AM
>>> To: Jeff Tedder
>>> Cc: Candi Murray.
>>> Subject: Re: Hammer Crit Invoice attached
>>>
>>>
>>> Did he go to the pit? maybe he was given a free lap.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck Kenlan
>>>
>>> Executive Director
>>>
>>> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>>>
>>> 320 SW Century Dr Ste 405
>>>
>>> -396
>>>
>>> Bend, OR 97702
>>>
>>> (541)480-6970
>>>
>>> http://obra.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Jeff Tedder
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> OopsŠsorry just saw the section on duplications on the sheet you gave me on
>>> SaturdayŠ: ) perfectŠ.
>>>
>>> AwesomeŠ. thanks againŠ..
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey alsoŠŠ just curiousŠ. Do you know if that kid from Oregon Sate that went
>>> down in the 4/5 race had been caught? Jodie told me she said she heard they
>>> had lapped him and he jumped back onŠ..if that¹s the case he should of never
>>> been up at the front of that group contesting the finishŠ..Colin from our
>>> team saw the crash as he was in that raceŠŠbut he did not say anything about
>>> him getting lappedŠ..
>>>
>>> Just curious as if that is the case, I was going to reach out to him,
>>>
>>>
>
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Steven Beardsley

2018-06-26

Our crit rule is the same as USAC crit rule regarding lapped riders. I
think changing this rule would be a bad idea, both because the rule makes
sense for crit racing and it makes it so we don't have a rule discrepancy
that could cause major confusion for our of town riders. Think of it this
way, If one or two riders lap the field (all other riders are down a lap),
do all the other riders not get to contest the sprint for the rest of the
places?

If riders getting lapped and riding dangerously in the field is a concern,
the official can just pull the rider that was lapped (15.4.3).

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 4:43 PM Candi Murray via OBRA_Officials <
obra_officials@list.obra.org> wrote:

> Everyone-
>
> Possible discussion about crit rules. Thoughts?
>
> Candi
>
>
>
>
>
> *15.1.2 General rules*
>
> - Riders on different laps may not work together. Lapped riders may not
> assist or hinder other riders on the lead lap, and must becareful not to
> interfere in any sprint or the finish.
>
> *15.4 Criteriums*
>
> The rules in this section are exceptions to the Individual RoadRacing
> Rules. In all cases not specifically covered here, theIndividual Road
> Racing Rules apply.
>
> *15.4.5 Rider collusion*
>
> Riders on different laps may work together, but no rider may drop
>
> back to help another rider.
>
>
>
> Since there is no mention of a lapped rider interferring on a sprint in
> the criterium rules, the situation falls back to the general rules. Do you
> agree Candi?
>
>
> Chuck Kenlan
>
> Executive Director
>
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>
> 320 SW Century Dr Ste 405-396
>
> Bend, OR 97702
>
> (541)480-6970
>
> http://obra.org/
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. OBRA Industry Site]
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Jeff Tedder <
> sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Ya that would be good to know…as I have always been told and understanding
> if you get lapped you can hang in the group but cannot contest the
> finish….. or help mates etc….
>
> Let me know : )
>
>
>
> Tx
>
> *From:* Candi Murray. [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2018 10:04 AM
>
>
> *To:* Jeff Tedder
> *Cc:* Chuck Kenlan
> *Subject:* Re: Hammer Crit Invoice attached
>
>
>
> I believe that lapped riders are allowed to race in a crit. I will reread
> the rules when I get home
>
> Candi
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Jeff Tedder
> wrote:
>
> No the crash happened with a half a lap to go in the race…..as far as I
> know he had no incident before that but well ask Mark the mechanic to make
> sure….. just wanting to make sure if that was the case that he knows what
> the rules are so everyone stays safe….because with a lap or 2 to go there
> some bickering within that groups of unsafe riding, so thinking maybe it
> was him they were telling he was not suppose to be in there….going to
> confirm with Colin when he calls me back…well keep you guys updated on what
> I hear…..
>
> tx
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck Kenlan [mailto:ckenlan@obra.org ]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2018 9:49 AM
> *To:* Jeff Tedder
> *Cc:* Candi Murray.
> *Subject:* Re: Hammer Crit Invoice attached
>
>
>
> Did he go to the pit? maybe he was given a free lap.
>
>
> Chuck Kenlan
>
> Executive Director
>
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>
> 320 SW Century Dr Ste 405
>
> -396
>
> Bend, OR 97702
>
> (541)480-6970
>
> http://obra.org/
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. OBRA Industry Site]
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Jeff Tedder <
> sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Oops…sorry just saw the section on duplications on the sheet you gave me
> on Saturday…: ) perfect….
>
>
>
> Awesome…. thanks again…..
>
>
>
> Hey also…… just curious…. Do you know if that kid from Oregon Sate that
> went down in the 4/5 race had been caught? Jodie told me she said she heard
> they had lapped him and he jumped back on…..if that’s the case he should of
> never been up at the front of that group contesting the finish…..Colin from
> our team saw the crash as he was in that race……but he did not say anything
> about him getting lapped…..
>
>
>
> Just curious as if that is the case, I was going to reach out to him,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA_Officials mailing list
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>


Mike Murray

2018-06-26

Traditionally in a criterium lapped riders are treated liked lapped riders are on the track, i.e. they participate in sprints but are a lap down. OBRA could elect to do otherwise but then we would be different from everyone else.

Mike Murray
Sent from a mobile device.

> On Jun 25, 2018, at 12:54, Candi Murray via OBRA_Officials wrote:
>
> Everyone-
> Possible discussion about crit rules. Thoughts?
> Candi
>
>
> 15.1.2 General rules
>
> - Riders on different laps may not work together. Lapped riders may not assist or hinder other riders on the lead lap, and must becareful not to interfere in any sprint or the finish.
>
> 15.4 Criteriums
>
> The rules in this section are exceptions to the Individual RoadRacing Rules. In all cases not specifically covered here, theIndividual Road Racing Rules apply.
>
> 15.4.5 Rider collusion
>
> Riders on different laps may work together, but no rider may drop
>
> back to help another rider.
>
>
>
> Since there is no mention of a lapped rider interferring on a sprint in the criterium rules, the situation falls back to the general rules. Do you agree Candi?
>
>
> Chuck Kenlan
> Executive Director
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> 320 SW Century Dr Ste 405-396
> Bend, OR 97702
> (541)480-6970
> http://obra.org/
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Jeff Tedder wrote:
> Ya that would be good to know…as I have always been told and understanding if you get lapped you can hang in the group but cannot contest the finish….. or help mates etc….
> Let me know : )
>
> Tx
> From: Candi Murray. [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:04 AM
>
> To: Jeff Tedder
> Cc: Chuck Kenlan
> Subject: Re: Hammer Crit Invoice attached
>
> I believe that lapped riders are allowed to race in a crit. I will reread the rules when I get home
> Candi
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 25, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Jeff Tedder wrote:
>
> No the crash happened with a half a lap to go in the race…..as far as I know he had no incident before that but well ask Mark the mechanic to make sure….. just wanting to make sure if that was the case that he knows what the rules are so everyone stays safe….because with a lap or 2 to go there some bickering within that groups of unsafe riding, so thinking maybe it was him they were telling he was not suppose to be in there….going to confirm with Colin when he calls me back…well keep you guys updated on what I hear…..
> tx
>
> From: Chuck Kenlan [mailto:ckenlan@obra.org]
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:49 AM
> To: Jeff Tedder
> Cc: Candi Murray.
> Subject: Re: Hammer Crit Invoice attached
>
> Did he go to the pit? maybe he was given a free lap.
>
> Chuck Kenlan
> Executive Director
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> 320 SW Century Dr Ste 405-396
> Bend, OR 97702
> (541)480-6970
> http://obra.org/
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Jeff Tedder wrote:
> Oops…sorry just saw the section on duplications on the sheet you gave me on Saturday…: ) perfect….
>
> Awesome…. thanks again…..
>
> Hey also…… just curious…. Do you know if that kid from Oregon Sate that went down in the 4/5 race had been caught? Jodie told me she said she heard they had lapped him and he jumped back on…..if that’s the case he should of never been up at the front of that group contesting the finish…..Colin from our team saw the crash as he was in that race……but he did not say anything about him getting lapped…..
>
> Just curious as if that is the case, I was going to reach out to him,
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA_Officials mailing list
> OBRA_Officials@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra_officials


Mike Hilbrandt

2018-06-25

Stands to reason that a crashed rider can contest the finish, even if they
are a lap down. Seems like the general rule needs to be incorporated into
the crit rule of rider collusion. Ie. Riders on different laps can work
together but may not drop back and cannot contest the finish.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 4:43 PM Candi Murray via OBRA_Officials <
obra_officials@list.obra.org> wrote:

> Everyone-
>
> Possible discussion about crit rules. Thoughts?
>
> Candi
>
>
>
>
>
> *15.1.2 General rules*
>
> - Riders on different laps may not work together. Lapped riders may not
> assist or hinder other riders on the lead lap, and must becareful not to
> interfere in any sprint or the finish.
>
> *15.4 Criteriums*
>
> The rules in this section are exceptions to the Individual RoadRacing
> Rules. In all cases not specifically covered here, theIndividual Road
> Racing Rules apply.
>
> *15.4.5 Rider collusion*
>
> Riders on different laps may work together, but no rider may drop
>
> back to help another rider.
>
>
>
> Since there is no mention of a lapped rider interferring on a sprint in
> the criterium rules, the situation falls back to the general rules. Do you
> agree Candi?
>
>
> Chuck Kenlan
>
> Executive Director
>
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>
> 320 SW Century Dr Ste 405-396
>
> Bend, OR 97702
>
> (541)480-6970
>
> http://obra.org/
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. OBRA Industry Site]
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Jeff Tedder <
> sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Ya that would be good to know…as I have always been told and understanding
> if you get lapped you can hang in the group but cannot contest the
> finish….. or help mates etc….
>
> Let me know : )
>
>
>
> Tx
>
> *From:* Candi Murray. [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2018 10:04 AM
>
>
> *To:* Jeff Tedder
> *Cc:* Chuck Kenlan
> *Subject:* Re: Hammer Crit Invoice attached
>
>
>
> I believe that lapped riders are allowed to race in a crit. I will reread
> the rules when I get home
>
> Candi
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Jeff Tedder
> wrote:
>
> No the crash happened with a half a lap to go in the race…..as far as I
> know he had no incident before that but well ask Mark the mechanic to make
> sure….. just wanting to make sure if that was the case that he knows what
> the rules are so everyone stays safe….because with a lap or 2 to go there
> some bickering within that groups of unsafe riding, so thinking maybe it
> was him they were telling he was not suppose to be in there….going to
> confirm with Colin when he calls me back…well keep you guys updated on what
> I hear…..
>
> tx
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck Kenlan [mailto:ckenlan@obra.org ]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2018 9:49 AM
> *To:* Jeff Tedder
> *Cc:* Candi Murray.
> *Subject:* Re: Hammer Crit Invoice attached
>
>
>
> Did he go to the pit? maybe he was given a free lap.
>
>
> Chuck Kenlan
>
> Executive Director
>
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>
> 320 SW Century Dr Ste 405
>
> -396
>
> Bend, OR 97702
>
> (541)480-6970
>
> http://obra.org/
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. OBRA Industry Site]
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Jeff Tedder <
> sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Oops…sorry just saw the section on duplications on the sheet you gave me
> on Saturday…: ) perfect….
>
>
>
> Awesome…. thanks again…..
>
>
>
> Hey also…… just curious…. Do you know if that kid from Oregon Sate that
> went down in the 4/5 race had been caught? Jodie told me she said she heard
> they had lapped him and he jumped back on…..if that’s the case he should of
> never been up at the front of that group contesting the finish…..Colin from
> our team saw the crash as he was in that race……but he did not say anything
> about him getting lapped…..
>
>
>
> Just curious as if that is the case, I was going to reach out to him,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA_Officials mailing list
> OBRA_Officials@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra_officials
>


Candi Murray

2018-06-25

Everyone-

Possible discussion about crit rules. Thoughts?

Candi

15.1.2 General rules

- Riders on different laps may not work together. Lapped riders may not assist or hinder other riders on the lead lap, and must becareful not to interfere in any sprint or the finish.

15.4 Criteriums

The rules in this section are exceptions to the Individual RoadRacing Rules. In all cases not specifically covered here, theIndividual Road Racing Rules apply.

15.4.5 Rider collusion

Riders on different laps may work together, but no rider may drop

back to help another rider.

Since there is no mention of a lapped rider interferring on a sprint in the criterium rules, the situation falls back to the general rules. Do you agree Candi?

Chuck Kenlan

Executive Director

Oregon Bicycle Racing Association

320 SW Century Dr Ste 405-396

Bend, OR 97702

(541)480-6970

http://obra.org/

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Jeff Tedder > wrote:

Ya that would be good to know…as I have always been told and understanding if you get lapped you can hang in the group but cannot contest the finish….. or help mates etc….

Let me know : )

Tx

From: Candi Murray. [mailto:cmurray@obra.org ]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:04 AM

To: Jeff Tedder
Cc: Chuck Kenlan
Subject: Re: Hammer Crit Invoice attached

I believe that lapped riders are allowed to race in a crit. I will reread the rules when I get home

Candi

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 25, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Jeff Tedder > wrote:

No the crash happened with a half a lap to go in the race…..as far as I know he had no incident before that but well ask Mark the mechanic to make sure….. just wanting to make sure if that was the case that he knows what the rules are so everyone stays safe….because with a lap or 2 to go there some bickering within that groups of unsafe riding, so thinking maybe it was him they were telling he was not suppose to be in there….going to confirm with Colin when he calls me back…well keep you guys updated on what I hear…..

tx

From: Chuck Kenlan [mailto:ckenlan@obra.org]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:49 AM
To: Jeff Tedder
Cc: Candi Murray.
Subject: Re: Hammer Crit Invoice attached

Did he go to the pit? maybe he was given a free lap.

Chuck Kenlan

Executive Director

Oregon Bicycle Racing Association

320 SW Century Dr Ste 405 -396

Bend, OR 97702

(541)480-6970

http://obra.org/

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Jeff Tedder > wrote:

Oops…sorry just saw the section on duplications on the sheet you gave me on Saturday…: ) perfect….

Awesome…. thanks again…..

Hey also…… just curious…. Do you know if that kid from Oregon Sate that went down in the 4/5 race had been caught? Jodie told me she said she heard they had lapped him and he jumped back on…..if that’s the case he should of never been up at the front of that group contesting the finish…..Colin from our team saw the crash as he was in that race……but he did not say anything about him getting lapped…..

Just curious as if that is the case, I was going to reach out to him,