Brian Ratliff
Okay, I'm probably going to be hated on for this... but why don't we do the
venues some actual benefit so they feel our loss rather than having them
feel like they are doing us a favor and boot us out over a single rider out
of several hundred not making it to the porta-john?
Especially with cyclocross; you have several hundred riders, maybe a
thousand or more, and you have, what, 10 porta-johns? Someone's not going
to make it and take their chances pissing behind a dumpster or building.
This is just statistics. You aren't going to get 100% success on this
issue. I've been racing for 8 years now, and every year it's the same exact
thing.
Just a suggestion and not even a fully formed thought, but maybe offer a
refund of entry fee if you come back out to the venue the next day and do
community service around the venue; clean up, repair the grass, or just
pick up trash along the road or something like that. It'll be a de facto
advertisement for OBRA/racing, and we can actually help the local community
and maybe make some friends out there rather than have them see us as a
bother or a charity case.
Just some thoughts.
Brian
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:25 AM, wrote:
> Seth,
>
> This notice is posted on race flyers and on the registration page (AIR)
> so to claim ignorance is a poor argument at best and utter laziness in
> general. Especially when the Sani-Kans are close to the registration
> tables.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 2014-09-15 09:05, Seth May wrote:
>
>> I would like to remind everyone calling for hangings that not everyone
>> showing up to our races are long time racers with lots of experience
>> who know all the rules.
>>
>> When I started racing, it was because a friend of mine (now a
>> brother-in-law) encouraged me to do it. I didn't know OBRA from a
>> brick in the wall. I didn't even know there was a rule book. No one
>> told me about it. It's all very passive. Young, new, or occasional
>> racers are quite likely to not have the exposure to our rules and
>> expectations that we think they need. They certainly are not on this
>> mailing list, and haven't seen this discussion 5 times a year for the
>> last N years. After 15 years of racing and 12 years of officiating, I
>> consider myself fairly well informed, but I didn't start that way.
>>
>> Does it affect the whole community? Absolutely, with major potential
>> impacts. That said, the message we're trying to get out is least
>> likely to reach the audience that most needs to hear it. Making the
>> punishment more harsh will not change the rate of violation if the
>> folks infringing haven't heard the message to begin with.
>>
>> How do we effectively communicate our most important messages to the
>> constant stream of new and occasional races? I think that is the main
>> question to ask.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Seth
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of David Rosen
>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 6:57 AM
>> To: 'OBRA'
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Public urination
>>
>> In the scenario that this is playing out, and I am no legal expert,
>> because this happened on school grounds, would this not be considered
>> a felony crime for indecent exposure? I thought there were already
>> laws in place that don't take this stuff lightly to begin with.
>>
>> Those were some great courses over the weekend and the racing was
>> really fun. I would really hate to lose that venue because a few
>> people were just plain stupid.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Mistr Solo
>> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 11:12 PM
>> To: mohair
>> Cc: OBRA
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Public urination
>>
>> Awesome, then the rider is labeled as a sex offender. Brilliant idea!
>> We should also make sure they spend the night in jail.
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2014, at 8:56 PM, mohair wrote:
>>
>>
>> This has gone on forever and the solution is simple: Get the police
>> involved. Public urination can be "upgraded" to indecent exposure or
>> in the vernacular, "weenie wagging" which is morals bust. Won't that
>> look great on your resume?
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Ignorance is not knowing. Stupidity is refusing to learn.
>>
>>
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