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Doug Evans

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It would be cool if took place during the week and didn't conflict with the PIR or Tabor road series. I think your turn out would be greater.

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Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:03 PM

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Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB short track / "Summer 'Cross?"

I'm definitely envisioning it as a true mtb short track event. Riders would always be able to ride it on a cross bike if they prefer. Just starting to get the discussion started, but the replies have been very positive! All we need are some ideas for places to have it. The closer the better so that spectators wouldn't have to drive across town to come and watch. The cool part about the Boulder course is that it changes every week because it occurs in an industrial area that has many little singletrack trails in the same area.

Brian

Mark Jenkins <mjen-@marylhurst.edu> wrote:

Yeah, that's the whole problem with cyclocross, isn't it -- too "weenie" for the hard guys. Doesn't hurt enough.

I think it's a great idea and I know five or ten people without even thinking about it who would participate for sure -- wouldn't want to inhibit the "real men" from testing themselves, though.

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] MTB short track / "Summer 'Cross?"

There was a series not too long ago that was run weekly out at PIR. The course used the motocross track and then wandered around through the woods behind it, and out in the grassy area to the west. I raced it a few times and it was fast and fun. However, turnout was not so good.

Yes, given the popularity of cyclocross here, and the number of people who do it on mountain bikes, there should be an opportunity for some more races. But more than talking about it, we as racers need to support it by doing it. And of course we as racers must also hope that someone who likes running races more than getting thanked will step up and promote it.

Anyone up for looking at a "Summer 'Cross" season, perhaps to test multiple skills and allow the possible use of 'cross bikes? Or would that be too "weenie" for the mountain bike crowd? I've always thought it would be cool to have off road races that would test bike selection as much as skill and power. Run ups, drop offs, logs, ascents, descents, you name it. Throw it at 'em, see what bikes the riders pick, and let 'em at it. Would certainly add to the spectator fun to watch people who choose the wrong cup (I mean bike).

Evan

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would be cool if took place during the week and didn't conflict with the PIR or

Tabor road series. I think your turn out would be greater.

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<DIV>I'm definitely envisioning it as a true mtb short track event.

Riders would always be able to ride it on a cross bike if they prefer.

Just starting to get the discussion started, but the replies have been very

positive! All we need are some ideas for places to have it. The

closer the better so that spectators wouldn't have to drive across town to

come and watch. The cool part about the Boulder course is that it

changes every week because it occurs in an industrial area that has many

little singletrack trails in the same area. </DIV>

<DIV>Brian Mark Jenkins <mjen-@marylhurst.edu>

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 <DIV>Yeah, that's the whole problem with cyclocross, isn't it -- too

 "weenie" for the hard guys. Doesn't hurt enough.</DIV>

 <DIV> </DIV>

 <DIV>I

 think it's a great idea and I know five or ten people without even

 thinking about it who would participate for sure -- wouldn't want to

 inhibit the "real men" from testing themselves, though.</DIV>

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 [mailto:evanmac-@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:01

 AM To: ob-@topica.com Subject: [OBRA Chat] MTB short

 track / "Summer 'Cross?" </DIV>There was a series not too long ago that was run weekly

 out at PIR. The course used the motocross track and then wandered around

 through the woods behind it, and out in the grassy area to the west. I

 raced it a few times and it was fast and fun. However, turnout was not so

 good. Yes, given the popularity of cyclocross here, and the number

 of people who do it on mountain bikes, there should be an opportunity for

 some more races. But more than talking about it, we as racers need to

 support it by doing it. And of course we as racers must also hope that

 someone who likes running races more than getting thanked will step up and

 promote it. Anyone up for looking at a "Summer 'Cross" season,

 perhaps to test multiple skills and allow the possible use of 'cross

 bikes? Or would that be too "weenie" for the mountain bike crowd? I've

 always thought it would be cool to have off road races that would test

 bike selection as much as skill and power. Run ups, drop offs, logs,

 ascents, descents, you name it. Throw it at 'em, see what bikes the riders

 pick, and let 'em at it. Would certainly add to the spectator fun to watch

 people who choose the wrong cup (I mean bike). Evan "We

 fear the cold and the things we do not understand. But most of all we fear

 the doings of the heedless ones among ourselves." ......AN INUIT

 SHAMAN, quoted by an early Arctic explorer (As published in William H.

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I'm definitely envisioning it as a true mtb short track event. Riders would always be able to ride it on a cross bike if they prefer. Just starting to get the discussion started, but the replies have been very positive! All we need are some ideas for places to have it. The closer the better so that spectators wouldn't have to drive across town to come and watch. The cool part about the Boulder course is that it changes every week because it occurs in an industrial area that has many little singletrack trails in the same area.

Brian

Mark Jenkins <mjen-@marylhurst.edu> wrote:

Yeah, that's the whole problem with cyclocross, isn't it -- too "weenie" for the hard guys. Doesn't hurt enough.

I think it's a great idea and I know five or ten people without even thinking about it who would participate for sure -- wouldn't want to inhibit the "real men" from testing themselves, though.

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] MTB short track / "Summer 'Cross?"

There was a series not too long ago that was run weekly out at PIR. The course used the motocross track and then wandered around through the woods behind it, and out in the grassy area to the west. I raced it a few times and it was fast and fun. However, turnout was not so good.

Yes, given the popularity of cyclocross here, and the number of people who do it on mountain bikes, there should be an opportunity for some more races. But more than talking about it, we as racers need to support it by doing it. And of course we as racers must also hope that someone who likes running races more than getting thanked will step up and promote it.

Anyone up for looking at a "Summer 'Cross" season, perhaps to test multiple skills and allow the possible use of 'cross bikes? Or would that be too "weenie" for the mountain bike crowd? I've always thought it would be cool to have off road races that would test bike selection as much as skill and power. Run ups, drop offs, logs, ascents, descents, you name it. Throw it at 'em, see what bikes the riders pick, and let 'em at it. Would certainly add to the spectator fun to watch people who choose the wrong cup (I mean bike).

Evan

"We fear the cold and the things we do not understand. But most of all we fear the doings of the heedless ones among ourselves."

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<DIV>I'm definitely envisioning it as a true mtb short track event. Riders would always be able to ride it on a cross bike if they prefer. Just starting to get the discussion started, but the replies have been very positive! All we need are some ideas for places to have it. The closer the better so that spectators wouldn't have to drive across town to come and watch. The cool part about the Boulder course is that it changes every week because it occurs in an industrial area that has many little singletrack trails in the same area. </DIV>

<DIV>Brian Mark Jenkins <mjen-@marylhurst.edu> wrote:</DIV>

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<DIV>Yeah, that's the whole problem with cyclocross, isn't it -- too "weenie" for the hard guys. Doesn't hurt enough.</DIV>

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<DIV>I think it's a great idea and I know five or ten people without even thinking about it who would participate for sure -- wouldn't want to inhibit the "real men" from testing themselves, though.</DIV>

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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr>-----Original Message----- From: evanmac-@aol.com [mailto:evanmac-@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:01 AM To: ob-@topica.com Subject: [OBRA Chat] MTB short track / "Summer 'Cross?" </DIV>There was a series not too long ago that was run weekly out at PIR. The course used the motocross track and then wandered around through the woods behind it, and out in the grassy area to the west. I raced it a few times and it was fast and fun. However, turnout was not so good. Yes, given the popularity of cyclocross here, and the number of people who do it on mountain bikes, there should be an opportunity for some more races. But more than talking about it, we as racers need to support it by doing it. And of course we as racers must also hope that someone who likes

running races more than getting thanked will step up and promote it. Anyone up for looking at a "Summer 'Cross" season, perhaps to test multiple skills and allow the possible use of 'cross bikes? Or would that be too "weenie" for the mountain bike crowd? I've always thought it would be cool to have off road races that would test bike selection as much as skill and power. Run ups, drop offs, logs, ascents, descents, you name it. Throw it at 'em, see what bikes the riders pick, and let 'em at it. Would certainly add to the spectator fun to watch people who choose the wrong cup (I mean bike). Evan "We fear the cold and the things we do not understand. But most of all we fear the doings of the heedless ones among ourselves." ......AN INUIT SHAMAN, quoted by an early Arctic explorer (As published in William H. Calvin's, "The River that Flows Uphill", 1986) <PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

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Yeah, that's the whole problem with cyclocross, isn't it -- too "weenie"

for the hard guys. Doesn't hurt enough.

I think it's a great idea and I know five or ten people without even

thinking about it who would participate for sure -- wouldn't want to

inhibit the "real men" from testing themselves, though.

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] MTB short track / "Summer 'Cross?"

There was a series not too long ago that was run weekly out at PIR. The

course used the motocross track and then wandered around through the woods

behind it, and out in the grassy area to the west. I raced it a few times

and it was fast and fun. However, turnout was not so good.

Yes, given the popularity of cyclocross here, and the number of people who

do it on mountain bikes, there should be an opportunity for some more races.

But more than talking about it, we as racers need to support it by doing it.

And of course we as racers must also hope that someone who likes running

races more than getting thanked will step up and promote it.

Anyone up for looking at a "Summer 'Cross" season, perhaps to test multiple

skills and allow the possible use of 'cross bikes? Or would that be too

"weenie" for the mountain bike crowd? I've always thought it would be cool

to have off road races that would test bike selection as much as skill and

power. Run ups, drop offs, logs, ascents, descents, you name it. Throw it at

'em, see what bikes the riders pick, and let 'em at it. Would certainly add

to the spectator fun to watch people who choose the wrong cup (I mean bike).

Evan

"We fear the cold and the things we do not understand. But most of all we

fear the doings of the heedless ones among ourselves."

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<DIV>Yeah,

that's the whole problem with cyclocross, isn't it -- too "weenie" for the

hard guys. Doesn't hurt enough.</DIV>

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<DIV>I

think it's a great idea and I know five or ten people without even

thinking about it who would participate for sure -- wouldn't want to

inhibit the "real men" from testing themselves, though.</DIV>

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[mailto:evanmac-@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:01

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track / "Summer 'Cross?" </DIV>There was a series not too long

ago that was run weekly out at PIR. The course used the motocross track and

then wandered around through the woods behind it, and out in the grassy area

to the west. I raced it a few times and it was fast and fun. However, turnout

was not so good. Yes, given the popularity of cyclocross here, and the

number of people who do it on mountain bikes, there should be an opportunity

for some more races. But more than talking about it, we as racers need to

support it by doing it. And of course we as racers must also hope that someone

who likes running races more than getting thanked will step up and promote

it. Anyone up for looking at a "Summer 'Cross" season, perhaps to test

multiple skills and allow the possible use of 'cross bikes? Or would that be

too "weenie" for the mountain bike crowd? I've always thought it would be cool

to have off road races that would test bike selection as much as skill and

power. Run ups, drop offs, logs, ascents, descents, you name it. Throw it at

'em, see what bikes the riders pick, and let 'em at it. Would certainly add to

the spectator fun to watch people who choose the wrong cup (I mean bike).

 Evan "We fear the cold and the things we do not understand. But

most of all we fear the doings of the heedless ones among

ourselves." ......AN INUIT SHAMAN, quoted by an early Arctic explorer (As

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I don't see any problem with cross bikes, I would just hope that drops and jumps wouldn't be excluded to accomodate them. I thought the best portion of the Pickett's charge race was the drop onto the loose downhill. Without barriers, I think you need something to keep things interesting.

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There was a series not too long ago that was run weekly out at PIR. The course used the motocross track and then wandered around through the woods behind it, and out in the grassy area to the west. I raced it a few times and it was fast and fun. However, turnout was not so good.

Yes, given the popularity of cyclocross here, and the number of people who do it on mountain bikes, there should be an opportunity for some more races. But more than talking about it, we as racers need to support it by doing it. And of course we as racers must also hope that someone who likes running races more than getting thanked will step up and promote it.

Anyone up for looking at a "Summer 'Cross" season, perhaps to test multiple skills and allow the possible use of 'cross bikes? Or would that be too "weenie" for the mountain bike crowd? I've always thought it would be cool to have off road races that would test bike selection as much as skill and power. Run ups, drop offs, logs, ascents, descents, you name it. Throw it at 'em, see what bikes the riders pick, and let 'em at it. Would certainly add to the spectator fun to watch people who choose the wrong cup (I mean bike).

Evan

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<DIV>I

don't see any problem with cross bikes, I would just hope that drops and jumps

wouldn't be excluded to accomodate them. I thought the best portion of the

Pickett's charge race was the drop onto the loose downhill. Without

barriers, I think you need something to keep things

interesting.</DIV>

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track / "Summer 'Cross?" </DIV>There was a series not too long

ago that was run weekly out at PIR. The course used the motocross track and

then wandered around through the woods behind it, and out in the grassy area

to the west. I raced it a few times and it was fast and fun. However, turnout

was not so good. Yes, given the popularity of cyclocross here, and the

number of people who do it on mountain bikes, there should be an opportunity

for some more races. But more than talking about it, we as racers need to

support it by doing it. And of course we as racers must also hope that someone

who likes running races more than getting thanked will step up and promote

it. Anyone up for looking at a "Summer 'Cross" season, perhaps to test

multiple skills and allow the possible use of 'cross bikes? Or would that be

too "weenie" for the mountain bike crowd? I've always thought it would be cool

to have off road races that would test bike selection as much as skill and

power. Run ups, drop offs, logs, ascents, descents, you name it. Throw it at

'em, see what bikes the riders pick, and let 'em at it. Would certainly add to

the spectator fun to watch people who choose the wrong cup (I mean bike).

 Evan "We fear the cold and the things we do not understand. But

most of all we fear the doings of the heedless ones among

ourselves." ......AN INUIT SHAMAN, quoted by an early Arctic explorer (As

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There was a series not too long ago that was run weekly out at PIR. The

course used the motocross track and then wandered around through the woods behind

it, and out in the grassy area to the west. I raced it a few times and it was

fast and fun. However, turnout was not so good.

Yes, given the popularity of cyclocross here, and the number of people who do

it on mountain bikes, there should be an opportunity for some more races. But

more than talking about it, we as racers need to support it by doing it. And

of course we as racers must also hope that someone who likes running races

more than getting thanked will step up and promote it.

Anyone up for looking at a "Summer 'Cross" season, perhaps to test multiple

skills and allow the possible use of 'cross bikes? Or would that be too

"weenie" for the mountain bike crowd? I've always thought it would be cool to have

off road races that would test bike selection as much as skill and power. Run

ups, drop offs, logs, ascents, descents, you name it. Throw it at 'em, see what

bikes the riders pick, and let 'em at it. Would certainly add to the spectator

fun to watch people who choose the wrong cup (I mean bike).

Evan

"We fear the cold and the things we do not understand. But most of all we

fear the doings of the heedless ones among ourselves."

......AN INUIT SHAMAN, quoted by an early Arctic explorer (As published in

William H. Calvin's, "The River that Flows Uphill", 1986)

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<HTML>There was a series not too long ago that was run weekly out at PIR. The course used the motocross track and then wandered around through the woods behind it, and out in the grassy area to the west. I raced it a few times and it was fast and fun. However, turnout was not so good. 

 

Yes, given the popularity of cyclocross here, and the number of people who do it on mountain bikes, there should be an opportunity for some more races. But more than talking about it, we as racers need to support it by doing it. And of course we as racers must also hope that someone who likes running races more than getting thanked will step up and promote it. 

 

Anyone up for looking at a "Summer 'Cross" season, perhaps to test multiple skills and allow the possible use of 'cross bikes? Or would that be too "weenie" for the mountain bike crowd? I've always thought it would be cool to have off road races that would test bike selection as much as skill and power. Run ups, drop offs, logs, ascents, descents, you name it. Throw it at 'em, see what bikes the riders pick, and let 'em at it. Would certainly add to the spectator fun to watch people who choose the wrong cup (I mean bike). 

 

Evan 

 

"We fear the cold and the things we do not understand. But most of all we fear the doings of the heedless ones among ourselves." 

......AN INUIT SHAMAN, quoted by an early Arctic explorer (As published in William H. Calvin's, "The River that Flows Uphill", 1986) 

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