Dan H.
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Tom, I haven't carried a patch kit for about 20 years. I carry 2 tubes and a spare folder and just about never need them!
Who wants to sit on the side of the road with wet, frozen fingers and try to patch a tire? Forget it!
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From: THOMAS HOFFMAN
To: toka-@ix.netcom.com ; obra
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Portland area road conditions: the gravel!
Went out tonight for the first time since the storm blew in. I was cover in the black gooey road grime. That sandy crap that gets into everything. It took my 20 minutes to clean the shower after I was done. Yeah, get good tires, and FULL fenders! If I had ridden to work and walked in that slimy, my boss would have shot me. Full Fenders would have helped.
And don't forget the patch kit. I convinced that you only get flats when you leave it at home, or at least that is my experience.
Tom
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From: Keith A. Prior
To: obra
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:03 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Portland area road conditions: the gravel!
Going to open up the discussion here regarding the state of the very roads we commute and train on.
I went out in my car this weekend and surveyed my usual training routes and 90% of them have the bike
lane or shoulder area where we travel completely covered in that dreaded gravel. I have heard that the city plans to
have it all swept up in time but if it does not interfere with motor vehicle traffic and only endangers cyclists in
their little bike lanes they might not make it a priority. I wonder...will the 13 or so mile stretch of Marine drive even be considered?
Will all of Rt 30 to St Helens get a sweep?
I have only been living in Portland since 98 and riding a bike less than that so I don't know what it was like the
last time we had the snow and ice and gravel. (Was there a last time) How long did it take them to get it cleaned up or
was it just a matter of many trashed tires and rain washing it away. Also...is there a way we could all write letters or make
phone calls to the city to get our bike lanes and shoulders cleared up. Of course I could be acting too soon and should just cut our wonderful
city some slack and give them at least a few weeks to get organized and get it cleared up.
Thanks All,
Keith Prior
Los Ciclistas
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tom, I haven't carried a patch kit for about 20
years. I carry 2 tubes and a spare folder and just about never need
them!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Who wants to sit on the side of the road with wet,
frozen fingers and try to patch a tire? Forget it!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=t.h-@verizon.net href="mailto:t.hoff-@verizon.net">THOMAS
HOFFMAN</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=t-@ix.netcom.com
href="mailto:toka-@ix.netcom.com">toka-@ix.netcom.com</A> ; <A
title-@topica.com href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">obra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 19, 2004 9:39
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] Portland area
road conditions: the gravel!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Went out tonight for the first time since the
storm blew in. I was cover in the black gooey road grime. That sandy crap that
gets into everything. It took my 20 minutes to clean the shower
after I was done. Yeah, get good tires, and FULL fenders! If I had
ridden to work and walked in that slimy, my boss would have shot me. Full
Fenders would have helped. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And don't forget the patch kit. I convinced that
you only get flats when you leave it at home, or at least that is my
experience.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=t-@ix.netcom.com href="mailto:toka-@ix.netcom.com">Keith
A. Prior</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title-@topica.com
href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">obra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 19, 2004 11:03
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] Portland area road
conditions: the gravel!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>G<SPAN class=937075118-19012004>oing to open up
the discussion here regarding the state of the very roads we commute and
train on.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>I went out in my
car this weekend and surveyed my usual training routes and 90% of them have
the bike</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>lane or shoulder
area where we travel completely covered in that dreaded gravel. I have heard
that the city plans to </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>have it all swept
up <EM>in time</EM> but if it does not interfere with motor vehicle traffic
and only endangers cyclists in </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>their little bike
lanes they might not make it a priority. I wonder...will the 13 or
so mile stretch of Marine drive even be
considered?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>Will all of Rt 30
to St Helens get a sweep? </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=937075118-19012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>I have only been
living in Portland since 98 and riding a bike less than that so I don't know
what it was like the </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>last time we had
the snow and ice and gravel. (Was there a last time) How long did it take
them to get it cleaned up or</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>was it just a
matter of many trashed tires and rain washing it away. Also...is there
a way we could </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>all write letters or
make</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>phone calls to the
city to get our bike lanes and shoulders cleared up. Of course I could be
acting too soon and should just cut our
wonderful</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>city some slack
and give them at least a few weeks to get organized and get it cleared
up.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=937075118-19012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>Thanks
All,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=937075118-19012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>Keith
Prior</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=937075118-19012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=937075118-19012004>Los
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