David. Auker.
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Thanks, Eric. I suppose in the big picture, this stuff is "better" than sand and gravel. I wonder if the following (taken from the story you cite) is true for our clothes and legs (this does seem to be a messy time of year for the exposed shin-skin when wearing knickers!):
"The chemical ODOT uses in Central Oregon is magnesium chloride combined with a corrosion inhibitor and used on state highways mainly in urban areas. The inhibitor protects most metals but will eventually break down and lose its effectiveness so wash your vehicle frequently. It is also somewhat sticky and will hold dirt, another reason to wash your vehicle frequently. All the materials used for deicing are soluble in water, so rinse your entire vehicle thoroughly before using soap or detergent."
David
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From: Eric Hopper
To: 'Dav-@Hevanet.com'
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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Those mysterious dark lines...
My guess is that is "magnesium chloride with corrosion inhibitors" referenced in this story:
http://www.odot.state.or.us/region4/redesign/winterstory_deicers.htm
I agree that it is very slick for bikes. I had trouble getting traction going UP Germantown Road in several spots today. In my opinion it is way over used.
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From: David. Auker. [mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:00 PM
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Those mysterious dark lines...
What's with the smelly sprayed-on lines of "anti-freeze" on some of Portland's roads? Today, cycling on Skyline, I got kind of nauseous breathing deeply mile after mile this cross between vinegar and gasoline smell. I'm also wondering how good it really is for tires gripping on the road, as last year on a steep descent out by Bull Run, the road was wet and also looked to have an overdose of this stuff; it was really slippery, and we're not talking ice. I wonder what the manufacturers cautionary statement reads like..."use in well-ventilated area, don't spray on plants?"
David Auker
SW Portland
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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>Thanks, Eric. I suppose in the big
picture, this stuff is "better" than sand and gravel. I wonder if the
following (taken from the story you cite) is true for our clothes and legs (this
does seem to be a messy time of year for the exposed shin-skin when wearing
knickers!):</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>"The chemical ODOT uses in Central Oregon is magnesium
chloride combined with a corrosion inhibitor and used on state highways mainly
in urban areas. The inhibitor protects most metals but will eventually break
down and lose its effectiveness so wash your vehicle frequently. It is also
somewhat sticky and will hold dirt, another reason to wash your vehicle
frequently. All the materials used for deicing are soluble in water, so rinse
your entire vehicle thoroughly before using soap or detergent."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>David</FONT></DIV>
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href="mailto:ehop-@depaulindustries.com">Eric Hopper</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OBRA Chat] Those mysterious
dark lines...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=554122421-11022004>My
guess is that is "<FONT color=#000000>magnesium chloride with corrosion
inhibitors" referenced in this story:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=554122421-11022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=554122421-11022004><A
href="http://www.odot.state.or.us/region4/redesign/winterstory_deicers.htm">http://www.odot.state.or.us/region4/redesign/winterstory_deicers.htm</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=554122421-11022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=554122421-11022004>I
agree that it is very slick for bikes. I had trouble getting
traction going UP Germantown Road in several spots today. In my opinion
it is way over used. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> David. Auker.
[mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:00
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Backseat MailBox<BR><B>Cc:</B>
ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] Those mysterious dark
lines...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>What's with the smelly sprayed-on lines of
"anti-freeze" on some of Portland's roads? Today, cycling on
Skyline, I got kind of nauseous breathing deeply mile after mile this
cross between vinegar and gasoline smell. I'm also wondering how good
it really is for tires gripping on the road, as last year on a steep descent
out by Bull Run, the road was wet and also looked to have an overdose of
this stuff; it was really slippery, and we're not talking ice. I
wonder what the manufacturers cautionary statement reads like..."use in
well-ventilated area, don't spray on plants?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>David Auker</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>SW Portland</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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