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So a key point it to "wash your vehicle thoroughly"?
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From: David. Auker. [mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:36 PM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Those mysterious dark lines...
Thanks, Eric. I suppose in the big picture, this stuff is "better" than sand and gravel. I wonder if the following (taken from the story you cite) is true for our clothes and legs (this does seem to be a messy time of year for the exposed shin-skin when wearing knickers!):
"The chemical ODOT uses in Central Oregon is magnesium chloride combined with a corrosion inhibitor and used on state highways mainly in urban areas. The inhibitor protects most metals but will eventually break down and lose its effectiveness so wash your vehicle frequently. It is also somewhat sticky and will hold dirt, another reason to wash your vehicle frequently. All the materials used for deicing are soluble in water, so rinse your entire vehicle thoroughly before using soap or detergent."
David
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From:Eric Hopper
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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Those mysterious dark lines...
My guess is that is "magnesium chloride with corrosion inhibitors" referenced in this story:
http://www.odot.state.or.us/region4/redesign/winterstory_deicers.htm
I agree that it is very slick for bikes. I had trouble getting traction going UP Germantown Road in several spots today. In my opinion it is way over used.
-----Original Message-----
From: David. Auker. [mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:00 PM
To: Backseat MailBox
Cc: ob-@topica.com
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Those mysterious dark lines...
What's with the smelly sprayed-on lines of "anti-freeze" on some of Portland's roads? Today, cycling on Skyline, I got kind of nauseous breathing deeply mile after mile this cross between vinegar and gasoline smell. I'm also wondering how good it really is for tires gripping on the road, as last year on a steep descent out by Bull Run, the road was wet and also looked to have an overdose of this stuff; it was really slippery, and we're not talking ice. I wonder what the manufacturers cautionary statement reads like..."use in well-ventilated area, don't spray on plants?"
David Auker
SW Portland
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<html><body bgColor=#ffffff><DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2>So a key point it to "wash your vehicle thoroughly"?</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> David. Auker. [mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:36 PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] Those mysterious dark lines...<BR><BR></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>Thanks, Eric. I suppose in the big picture, this stuff is "better" than sand and gravel. I wonder if the following (taken from the story you cite) is true for our clothes and legs (this does seem to be a messy time of year for the exposed shin-skin when wearing knickers!):</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>"The chemical ODOT uses in Central Oregon is magnesium chloride combined with a corrosion inhibitor and used on state highways mainly in urban areas. The inhibitor protects most metals but will eventually break down and lose its effectiveness so wash your vehicle frequently. It is also somewhat sticky and will hold dirt, another reason to wash your vehicle frequently. All the materials used for deicing are soluble in water, so rinse your entire vehicle thoroughly before using soap or detergent."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>David</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:27 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OBRA Chat] Those mysterious dark lines...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=554122421-11022004>My guess is that is "<FONT color=#000000>magnesium chloride with corrosion inhibitors" referenced in this story:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=554122421-11022004><A href="http://www.odot.state.or.us/region4/redesign/winterstory_deicers.htm" target=_blank>http://www.odot.state.or.us/region4/redesign/winterstory_deicers.htm</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=554122421-11022004>I agree that it is very slick for bikes. I had trouble getting traction going UP Germantown Road in several spots today. In my opinion it is way over used. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> David. Auker. [mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Backseat MailBox<BR><B>Cc:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] Those mysterious dark lines...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>What's with the smelly sprayed-on lines of "anti-freeze" on some of Portland's roads? Today, cycling on Skyline, I got kind of nauseous breathing deeply mile after mile this cross between vinegar and gasoline smell. I'm also wondering how good it really is for tires gripping on the road, as last year on a steep descent out by Bull Run, the road was wet and also looked to have an overdose of this stuff; it was really slippery, and we're not talking ice. I wonder what the manufacturers cautionary statement reads like..."use in well-ventilated area, don't spray on plants?"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>David Auker</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>SW Portland</FONT></DIV>
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