Brad Cockman, DC

THIS from a guy that raced Beginner at Sea Otter last year!



Oy vay.



No, you won't live that one down Kevin.





kevin thompson wrote:

 

Count me for the sport course...if I wanted to race expert, I would.



As far as the grand prize for the catagory, would that take away from

the fun? The cross crusade got pretty serious. I would rather it was

more layed back. Geoff Raynak had a great idea about a raffle for the

grand prize where the number of tickets you earned was based on your

finish (better finish = more tickets) but anyone who raced ss had a shot



at winning. Too bad Witty didn't run with that idea. (did I just

mention Witty and running in the same sentence? Funny)



Kevin Thompson





Brad Cockman, DC wrote:

 

LONG COURSE

LONG COURSE

LONG COURSE



but don't count on me being at the races



Brad



Tim Jones wrote:

 

Just to beat a dead horse and to make sure everyone is heard, the

following people emailed or talked to me directly:



Expert course Yes:

- James Gritters

- John McCafery

- Donovan Grabowski

- Shawn McDonald



Expert Course No:

- Steve Basden (but he would go with majority)

- Jerry McCluen



Now wouldn't it be great if we actually had a good number of SSers show

up for each race?





Tim Jones

Ryan Weaver

Count me in for the shorter courses, even though I wouldn't mind doing the

long courses.

SS is still growing and until we can split it up into a A group, B group,

etc., the shorter courses will allow everyone to race.



Ryan Weaver



 From: kevin thompson <thom-@loswego.k12.or.us>

Reply-To: thom-@loswego.k12.or.us

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Attn Singlespeeders

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:06:20 +0000



Count me for the sport course...if I wanted to race expert, I would.



As far as the grand prize for the catagory, would that take away from

the fun? The cross crusade got pretty serious. I would rather it was

more layed back. Geoff Raynak had a great idea about a raffle for the

grand prize where the number of tickets you earned was based on your

finish (better finish = more tickets) but anyone who raced ss had a shot

at winning. Too bad Witty didn't run with that idea. (did I just

mention Witty and running in the same sentence? Funny)



Kevin Thompson





Brad Cockman, DC wrote:

 

LONG COURSE

LONG COURSE

LONG COURSE



but don't count on me being at the races



Brad



Tim Jones wrote:

 

Just to beat a dead horse and to make sure everyone is heard, the

following people emailed or talked to me directly:



Expert course Yes:

- James Gritters

- John McCafery

- Donovan Grabowski

- Shawn McDonald



Expert Course No:

- Steve Basden (but he would go with majority)

- Jerry McCluen



Now wouldn't it be great if we actually had a good number of SSers

show

  up for each race?





Tim Jones

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Count me for the sport course...if I wanted to race expert, I would.



As far as the grand prize for the catagory, would that take away from

the fun? The cross crusade got pretty serious. I would rather it was

more layed back. Geoff Raynak had a great idea about a raffle for the

grand prize where the number of tickets you earned was based on your

finish (better finish = more tickets) but anyone who raced ss had a shot

at winning. Too bad Witty didn't run with that idea. (did I just

mention Witty and running in the same sentence? Funny)



Kevin Thompson





Brad Cockman, DC wrote:

 

LONG COURSE

LONG COURSE

LONG COURSE



but don't count on me being at the races



Brad



Tim Jones wrote:

 

Just to beat a dead horse and to make sure everyone is heard, the

following people emailed or talked to me directly:



Expert course Yes:

- James Gritters

- John McCafery

- Donovan Grabowski

- Shawn McDonald



Expert Course No:

- Steve Basden (but he would go with majority)

- Jerry McCluen



Now wouldn't it be great if we actually had a good number of SSers show

up for each race?





Tim Jones

McCann Family

Amen.... We want longer races.... We want to hurt the next day.





----- Original Message -----

From: "Richard Sweet" <rich-@westernp.com>

To: "Randy Dreiling" <ragg-@yahoo.com>

Cc: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:17 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Attn Singlespeeders





 Randy & other promoters, racers, etc...



Personally from a racing standpoint it is better to know before I show up

what the event is going to offer as a course and classes. Although I may

only do 2-3 OBRA mtb races this year I would rather race every time in the

expert/elite class as it is better competition for me. Having the SS class

do the expert class course is a way to see how I compare and still benefit

from prizes, personally I still consider the race against guys like Erik

Tonkin and Barry Wicks versus my fellow SS'ers it pushes me further and

harder. But if I show up and 1/2 or more SS riders don't want to do the

miles or time on the bike the I would race expert/elite anywase. So don't

change it on my account.



Personally I think most of the races in Oregon are to short these days

even

in the expert/elite category and that is the main reason I have not done

to

many over the past few years. I can go to the Shasta Lemurian and get a

30+

mile, 3+ mtb race in and place in the top 20 overall, top 3 ss and that is

what I consider a race. Sea Otter also offers a 2 1/2-3 hour race for the

top guys on a 36 mile course.



Oregon has allot of strong mountain bike racers and they could do the

distance and time on the bike. The past few races I have done have been

less

then 2 hours ride time, 4+ hours drive time, and 2+ hours of hanging

around,

to me it is hardly worth my time and money to do. Considering I can go out

and do a 50 mile mtb ride with a few friends at close to race pace and be

out there for 5 hours riding awesome singletrack having a real fun time.



I know from experience that promoting races is not cheap and I am not

advocating promoters reduce the prices. It is also hard to get volunteers

to

cover long courses, hard to mark long courses, etc... I promoted the

Cascade

Cream Puff for 4 years before calling it good. You have little time to

ride

your bike and most of your work goes unappreciated by the racers

themselves.

There is a certain pride in putting on a good event though and with that

comes racers and success with said events. This year I am promoting The

Summer Ride Fest Mtb bike festival, 8 time trials and 4-6 Cyclecross

races.

I do my best to give all the riders what they want and I know other

promoters do the same. I am but a small fish in a large pond who loves to

ride his bike anytime and anywhere as long as it remains FUN.



Time to Ride,

Richard

Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team



-----Original Message-----

From: Randy Dreiling [mailto:ragg-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:59 AM

To: rich-@westernp.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Attn Singlespeeders



Hello All SS Racers



As far as the "Oregon Mt Bike Series" goes...if you meet before the race

and

a majority of you agree...it is all good with me...you guys are a pretty

tight group...also I added a women SS class this year, because I was told

there would some women SS racers in 2004...they MIGHT want to still do

Sport



You really should let all the promoters know, because they are use to you

guys racing Sport.



Please keep me posted.



Take Care

Randy

--- Richard Sweet <rich-@westernp.com> wrote:

 I am all for racing the longer and harder courses.

If the promoter has the

SS field with the sport riders or on the same course I race in the

Elite/Expert field. With race times of 1-1 1/2 hours for $25-$35 it is

hard to justify going to the events. If I go I want the time on the

bike.



Richard

01'-02' Cascade Cream Puff Singlespeed winner Paul's Bicycle Way of

Life Cycling Team



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LONG COURSE

LONG COURSE

LONG COURSE



but don't count on me being at the races



Brad



Tim Jones wrote:

 

Just to beat a dead horse and to make sure everyone is heard, the

following people emailed or talked to me directly:



Expert course Yes:

- James Gritters

- John McCafery

- Donovan Grabowski

- Shawn McDonald



Expert Course No:

- Steve Basden (but he would go with majority)

- Jerry McCluen



Now wouldn't it be great if we actually had a good number of SSers show

up for each race?





Tim Jones

Randy Dreiling

Hello



Will you please keep me posted, so I know how to

handle this for the series.



Also I have tired to get a company to donate a frame

or bike for overall winner in SS for "Oregon Mt Bike

Series", but so far no luck...I have one MAYBE, but no

promises.



IF there is a need, want and desire and enough

racers...I will at my Oakridge events, (can't speak

for other events) be willing to run a Sport SS and an

Expert SS course, since there might be newwer SSers

not in with you hard core guys that have been doing

this for years. Lets put it this way if you get me 5

new SS guys that are not ready for an Expert course I

will have a Sport SS class at my events.



You guys let me know...majority wins.



Take Care

Randy

--- P Kudszus <burma-@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Shane, That's a splendid idea! I wonder who might

have somesort of an "in" with something related to

Single Speeding.

I wonder if Tim might just have an Idea???



   ...just stirring the pot





--- Shane Young <shane.-@comcast.net> wrote:

 Maybe a Single Speeder with connections could get

a

 grand prize for one of the series or for the

overall

 bar on Single Speeds. Sort of like Cross Crusade

did.

 Just to beat a dead horse and to make sure

everyone is heard, the

 following people emailed or talked to me

directly:

  

Expert course Yes:

- James Gritters

- John McCafery

- Donovan Grabowski

- Shawn McDonald



Expert Course No:

- Steve Basden (but he would go with majority)

- Jerry McCluen



Now wouldn't it be great if we actually had a

good

 number of SSers show

 up for each race?





Tim Jones



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Shane, That's a splendid idea! I wonder who might

have somesort of an "in" with something related to

Single Speeding.

I wonder if Tim might just have an Idea???



...just stirring the pot





--- Shane Young <shane.-@comcast.net> wrote:

 Maybe a Single Speeder with connections could get a

grand prize for one of the series or for the overall

bar on Single Speeds. Sort of like Cross Crusade

did.

 Just to beat a dead horse and to make sure

everyone is heard, the

 following people emailed or talked to me directly:



Expert course Yes:

- James Gritters

- John McCafery

- Donovan Grabowski

- Shawn McDonald



Expert Course No:

- Steve Basden (but he would go with majority)

- Jerry McCluen



Now wouldn't it be great if we actually had a good

number of SSers show

 up for each race?





Tim Jones



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Hey, Are you so far ahead of me that you didn't hear

me yelling out, "Expert course Timmy, Expert

Course..."



My 2cents, PAT







--- Tim Jones <ti-@twocircles.com> wrote:

 Just to beat a dead horse and to make sure everyone

is heard, the

following people emailed or talked to me directly:



Expert course Yes:

- James Gritters

- John McCafery

- Donovan Grabowski

- Shawn McDonald



Expert Course No:

- Steve Basden (but he would go with majority)

- Jerry McCluen



Now wouldn't it be great if we actually had a good

number of SSers show

up for each race?





Tim Jones



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Maybe a Single Speeder with connections could get a grand prize for one of the series or for the overall bar on Single Speeds. Sort of like Cross Crusade did.

 Just to beat a dead horse and to make sure everyone is heard, the

following people emailed or talked to me directly:



Expert course Yes:

- James Gritters

- John McCafery

- Donovan Grabowski

- Shawn McDonald



Expert Course No:

- Steve Basden (but he would go with majority)

- Jerry McCluen



Now wouldn't it be great if we actually had a good number of SSers show

up for each race?





Tim Jones



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Just to beat a dead horse and to make sure everyone is heard, the

following people emailed or talked to me directly:



Expert course Yes:

- James Gritters

- John McCafery

- Donovan Grabowski

- Shawn McDonald



Expert Course No:

- Steve Basden (but he would go with majority)

- Jerry McCluen



Now wouldn't it be great if we actually had a good number of SSers show

up for each race?





Tim Jones

Steven B

One note, I hope that if the flexibility is left to

the promoters that they give us enough notice which

category we'll be racing with so that we don't show up

2 hours early or 2 hours late for the race start.



Thanks for opening up the dialogue.



cheers,

Steve B

hfv



--- "FISCHER,JAMES (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"

<jim_fi-@ex.cv.hp.com> wrote:

 You would normally race under one standard XC and

one DH category. For

example, you may race expert cross country, and

sport DH. You may ALSO race

SS as you like, at the XC events. This would be a

third plate, normally.

However, since you have an expert (yellow) XC plate

already, you don't need

a new one. Just register in the SS class.



Your points, however, are not additive. Expert XC

points are not added with

your SS points for BAR.



If you are a beginner XC racer, and wish to race SS,

you will need another

plate, and will most likely be racing the expert

course. You are not scored

against the experts, however.



I will send out something via e-mail, and will post

something to the web for

the racers so this is a little clearer. Look for

something this weekend.



Randy's comment about talking to the promoter (the

huddle) is the best.

OBRA doesn't care how far you race. If the

organizer receives requests to

have the SS ride the kiddie course, they can make

that change if they like.

Likewise, if the Expert course is 40 miles, with 15k

feet of vertical, and

the SS still wish to leave their kneecaps on the

trail, the organizer can

make the call to have them race up or back with the

Sports.



Ain't this grass-roots flexibility great?



Regards,

Jim Fischer

OBRA ATB Rep.

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You would normally race under one standard XC and one DH category. For

example, you may race expert cross country, and sport DH. You may ALSO race

SS as you like, at the XC events. This would be a third plate, normally.

However, since you have an expert (yellow) XC plate already, you don't need

a new one. Just register in the SS class.



Your points, however, are not additive. Expert XC points are not added with

your SS points for BAR.



If you are a beginner XC racer, and wish to race SS, you will need another

plate, and will most likely be racing the expert course. You are not scored

against the experts, however.



I will send out something via e-mail, and will post something to the web for

the racers so this is a little clearer. Look for something this weekend.



Randy's comment about talking to the promoter (the huddle) is the best.

OBRA doesn't care how far you race. If the organizer receives requests to

have the SS ride the kiddie course, they can make that change if they like.

Likewise, if the Expert course is 40 miles, with 15k feet of vertical, and

the SS still wish to leave their kneecaps on the trail, the organizer can

make the call to have them race up or back with the Sports.



Ain't this grass-roots flexibility great?



Regards,

Jim Fischer

OBRA ATB Rep.



-----Original Message-----

From: Nick Glazener [mailto:dirty-@attbi.com]

Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:48 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Attn Singlespeeders





What was I thinking? I converted my only possible race bike into a ss.

Therefore, when I race this year it will be ss. I guess I jump from

Beginner directly to Expert. It is no big deal to me. I am not

expecting any great victories in any category.



Question: If I race in the proposed SS class, does that also

automatically elevate me to the elite level? Could I still race in the

general Sport class without any SS designation if I chose to?



Bottom line: I don't really care what the outcome is, even as a newbie

ss. The most important thing for me is burritos after the race.

(Thanks Mike for the Duskslinger extras)

Tim Jones wrote:

 

Singlespeeders,



I would like to find out how much interest there is in petitioning

OBRA

promoters to have the singlespeed class race with the experts instead of



the sport riders.   



Last year in most of the races the top singlespeeders were faster than

the sport riders, and it seems that most of us would be quite capable

of racing a longer course.   I, and a number of you that I have talked

to, would be happy to do 2+ hr races. Last year's state championship

was 1:08 - that's not a lot of racing for the money.



My questions are:

1. Would you prefer to race the sport or expert course

2. If races were on the expert course, would you not race? 3. If

races were left on the sport course, will you not race? (a few people

I have talked to, I included are considering this)



Come on folks, we are supposed to be hardcore - lets do some real

distance.



Tim Jones

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Hello All



I did not know Fish had went ahead and moved you all

up to Expert, so I guess it is sloved...I was justing

saying it had NOT been settled I would help it work

for you....I was just trying to help.



Kirk as someone that has promoted for 7 years...there

are times for votes at the start it happens all the

time in small classes, such as Master Sport, Master

Women, Pro Women and few other classes when there is

long lap course, like Shotgun Creek...many of the time

these classes vote to do less laps, then other racers.



Take Care

Randy

--- Kirk Edwards <edwar-@hotmail.com> wrote:

 although i don't race SS i don't think a huddle

before the race is going to

cut it. this to me seems a bit unorganized. good

organization brings

people to races.



Kirk





 From: Randy Dreiling <ragg-@yahoo.com>

Reply-To: ragg-@yahoo.com

To: rich-@westernp.com, ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Attn Singlespeeders

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:58:55 -0800 (PST)



Hello All SS Racers



As far as the "Oregon Mt Bike Series" goes...if you

meet before the race and a majority of you

agree...it

 is all good with me...you guys are a pretty tight

group...also I added a women SS class this year,

because I was told there would some women SS racers

in

 2004...they MIGHT want to still do Sport



You really should let all the promoters know,

because

 they are use to you guys racing Sport.



Please keep me posted.



Take Care

Randy

--- Richard Sweet <rich-@westernp.com> wrote:

 I am all for racing the longer and harder

courses.

  If the promoter has the

SS field with the sport riders or on the same

course

  I race in the

Elite/Expert field. With race times of 1-1 1/2

hours

  for $25-$35 it is hard

to justify going to the events. If I go I want

the

  time on the bike.



Richard

01'-02' Cascade Cream Puff Singlespeed winner

Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team



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What was I thinking? I converted my only possible race bike into a ss.

Therefore, when I race this year it will be ss. I guess I jump from

Beginner directly to Expert. It is no big deal to me. I am not

expecting any great victories in any category.



Question: If I race in the proposed SS class, does that also

automatically elevate me to the elite level? Could I still race in the

general Sport class without any SS designation if I chose to?



Bottom line: I don't really care what the outcome is, even as a newbie

ss. The most important thing for me is burritos after the race.

(Thanks Mike for the Duskslinger extras)

Tim Jones wrote:

 

Singlespeeders,



I would like to find out how much interest there is in petitioning OBRA

promoters to have the singlespeed class race with the experts instead of



the sport riders.   



Last year in most of the races the top singlespeeders were faster than

the sport riders, and it seems that most of us would be quite capable

of racing a longer course.   I, and a number of you that I have talked

to, would be happy to do 2+ hr races. Last year's state championship

was 1:08 - that's not a lot of racing for the money.



My questions are:

1. Would you prefer to race the sport or expert course

2. If races were on the expert course, would you not race?

3. If races were left on the sport course, will you not race? (a few

people I have talked to, I included are considering this)



Come on folks, we are supposed to be hardcore - lets do some real

distance.



Tim Jones

Richard Sweet

Randy & other promoters, racers, etc...



Personally from a racing standpoint it is better to know before I show up

what the event is going to offer as a course and classes. Although I may

only do 2-3 OBRA mtb races this year I would rather race every time in the

expert/elite class as it is better competition for me. Having the SS class

do the expert class course is a way to see how I compare and still benefit

from prizes, personally I still consider the race against guys like Erik

Tonkin and Barry Wicks versus my fellow SS'ers it pushes me further and

harder. But if I show up and 1/2 or more SS riders don't want to do the

miles or time on the bike the I would race expert/elite anywase. So don't

change it on my account.



Personally I think most of the races in Oregon are to short these days even

in the expert/elite category and that is the main reason I have not done to

many over the past few years. I can go to the Shasta Lemurian and get a 30+

mile, 3+ mtb race in and place in the top 20 overall, top 3 ss and that is

what I consider a race. Sea Otter also offers a 2 1/2-3 hour race for the

top guys on a 36 mile course.



Oregon has allot of strong mountain bike racers and they could do the

distance and time on the bike. The past few races I have done have been less

then 2 hours ride time, 4+ hours drive time, and 2+ hours of hanging around,

to me it is hardly worth my time and money to do. Considering I can go out

and do a 50 mile mtb ride with a few friends at close to race pace and be

out there for 5 hours riding awesome singletrack having a real fun time.



I know from experience that promoting races is not cheap and I am not

advocating promoters reduce the prices. It is also hard to get volunteers to

cover long courses, hard to mark long courses, etc... I promoted the Cascade

Cream Puff for 4 years before calling it good. You have little time to ride

your bike and most of your work goes unappreciated by the racers themselves.

There is a certain pride in putting on a good event though and with that

comes racers and success with said events. This year I am promoting The

Summer Ride Fest Mtb bike festival, 8 time trials and 4-6 Cyclecross races.

I do my best to give all the riders what they want and I know other

promoters do the same. I am but a small fish in a large pond who loves to

ride his bike anytime and anywhere as long as it remains FUN.



Time to Ride,

Richard

Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team



-----Original Message-----

From: Randy Dreiling [mailto:ragg-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:59 AM

To: rich-@westernp.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Attn Singlespeeders



Hello All SS Racers



As far as the "Oregon Mt Bike Series" goes...if you meet before the race and

a majority of you agree...it is all good with me...you guys are a pretty

tight group...also I added a women SS class this year, because I was told

there would some women SS racers in 2004...they MIGHT want to still do Sport



You really should let all the promoters know, because they are use to you

guys racing Sport.



Please keep me posted.



Take Care

Randy

--- Richard Sweet <rich-@westernp.com> wrote:

 I am all for racing the longer and harder courses.

If the promoter has the

SS field with the sport riders or on the same course I race in the

Elite/Expert field. With race times of 1-1 1/2 hours for $25-$35 it is

hard to justify going to the events. If I go I want the time on the

bike.



Richard

01'-02' Cascade Cream Puff Singlespeed winner Paul's Bicycle Way of

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As a Sport racer from last season moving up to Expert

for next season-I say leave those loser (Pat) SS'ers

in Sport so I don't look like such an @ss for getting

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Kirk Edwards

although i don't race SS i don't think a huddle before the race is going to

cut it. this to me seems a bit unorganized. good organization brings

people to races.



Kirk





 From: Randy Dreiling <ragg-@yahoo.com>

Reply-To: ragg-@yahoo.com

To: rich-@westernp.com, ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Attn Singlespeeders

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:58:55 -0800 (PST)



Hello All SS Racers



As far as the "Oregon Mt Bike Series" goes...if you

meet before the race and a majority of you agree...it

is all good with me...you guys are a pretty tight

group...also I added a women SS class this year,

because I was told there would some women SS racers in

2004...they MIGHT want to still do Sport



You really should let all the promoters know, because

they are use to you guys racing Sport.



Please keep me posted.



Take Care

Randy

--- Richard Sweet <rich-@westernp.com> wrote:

 I am all for racing the longer and harder courses.

If the promoter has the

SS field with the sport riders or on the same course

I race in the

Elite/Expert field. With race times of 1-1 1/2 hours

for $25-$35 it is hard

to justify going to the events. If I go I want the

time on the bike.



Richard

01'-02' Cascade Cream Puff Singlespeed winner

Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team



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Hello All SS Racers



As far as the "Oregon Mt Bike Series" goes...if you

meet before the race and a majority of you agree...it

is all good with me...you guys are a pretty tight

group...also I added a women SS class this year,

because I was told there would some women SS racers in

2004...they MIGHT want to still do Sport



You really should let all the promoters know, because

they are use to you guys racing Sport.



Please keep me posted.



Take Care

Randy

--- Richard Sweet <rich-@westernp.com> wrote:

 I am all for racing the longer and harder courses.

If the promoter has the

SS field with the sport riders or on the same course

I race in the

Elite/Expert field. With race times of 1-1 1/2 hours

for $25-$35 it is hard

to justify going to the events. If I go I want the

time on the bike.



Richard

01'-02' Cascade Cream Puff Singlespeed winner

Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team



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P Kudszus

Tim, Sounds like a very good idea to me. In response

to your questions I would simply have the SS start

behind the Expert Class. This way we would have the

longer distance plus we would hopefully not get overly

backed up on the tight climbs etc. If my memory serves

me correct we would even have a later start time,

right?



--- Tim Jones <ti-@twocircles.com> wrote:

 Singlespeeders,



I would like to find out how much interest there is

in petitioning OBRA

promoters to have the singlespeed class race with

the experts instead of

the sport riders.   



Last year in most of the races the top

singlespeeders were faster than

the sport riders, and it seems that most of us

would be quite capable

of racing a longer course.   I, and a number of you

that I have talked

to, would be happy to do 2+ hr races. Last year's

state championship

was 1:08 - that's not a lot of racing for the money.



My questions are:

1. Would you prefer to race the sport or expert

course

2. If races were on the expert course, would you

not race?

3. If races were left on the sport course, will you

not race? (a few

people I have talked to, I included are considering

this)



Come on folks, we are supposed to be hardcore - lets

do some real

distance.



Tim Jones



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I am all for racing the longer and harder courses. If the promoter has the

SS field with the sport riders or on the same course I race in the

Elite/Expert field. With race times of 1-1 1/2 hours for $25-$35 it is hard

to justify going to the events. If I go I want the time on the bike.



Richard

01'-02' Cascade Cream Puff Singlespeed winner

Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team

Tim Jones

Singlespeeders,



I would like to find out how much interest there is in petitioning OBRA

promoters to have the singlespeed class race with the experts instead of

the sport riders.   



Last year in most of the races the top singlespeeders were faster than

the sport riders, and it seems that most of us would be quite capable

of racing a longer course.   I, and a number of you that I have talked

to, would be happy to do 2+ hr races. Last year's state championship

was 1:08 - that's not a lot of racing for the money.



My questions are:

1. Would you prefer to race the sport or expert course

2. If races were on the expert course, would you not race?

3. If races were left on the sport course, will you not race? (a few

people I have talked to, I included are considering this)



Come on folks, we are supposed to be hardcore - lets do some real

distance.



Tim Jones