OBRA: OBRA Chat: OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

hogie-@yahoo.com

2004-02-16

Yes a jar at every table. With all the people in the building the Jar

got lost and I forgot about it when I was signing up. Later when I

remembered I went back in a found it. I donated more than $1 and I am

sure otheres did too, so probably fewer people donated than 1$ per

person would indicate. Not every one read Obra Topica so maybe

something could be included in the next mailing.

Richard

brice-@hotmail.com wrote:

one suggestion

Put a donation jar at each registration table - easier for people to

see, access, and remember to donate.

Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn wrote:

We used every wheel in the 1/2/3 field today. some of the other fields

didn't have any flats at all. I will call Roger tomorrow and see how he

felt

the program ran. Less than 1/3 of the riders donated so collections

were

pretty meager.

Candi

-----Original Message-----

From: Tim [mailto:tim-@comcast.net]

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 6:25 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Lets see how money collection and wheel support went at the Cherry Pie

today.

Once know how we (racers) are going to be paying for the program, I am

sure

the wise and hardworking obra people will get some 10 speed Campy and

Shimano

wheels. Of course, creative ideas for acquiring these wheels would be

the

best

suggestions.

Wheels support was working hard today and looked like they did a great

job.

Obra rocks!!!

Tim Maloney

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mick Walsh" <mickw-@comcast.net>

To: <ro-@hevanet.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:27 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

I don't want to sound negative, but I ride Campy 10-speed and I'm sure

there

are many more riders out there that ride Campy. Why should we have to

pay

for Shimano wheels? Also, are there going to be 2 follow cars for every

category at every race? so everyone gets a fair shot at these wheels.

Just constructive comments, I do think the wheels are a great idea:)

Mick

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ron Magnus" <ro-@hevanet.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:57 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00

surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and

services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be

able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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brice-@hotmail.com

2004-02-16

one suggestion

Put a donation jar at each registration table - easier for people to

see, access, and remember to donate.

Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn wrote:

We used every wheel in the 1/2/3 field today. some of the other fields

didn't have any flats at all. I will call Roger tomorrow and see how he

felt

the program ran. Less than 1/3 of the riders donated so collections

were

pretty meager.

Candi

-----Original Message-----

From: Tim [mailto:tim-@comcast.net]

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 6:25 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Lets see how money collection and wheel support went at the Cherry Pie

today.

Once know how we (racers) are going to be paying for the program, I am

sure

the wise and hardworking obra people will get some 10 speed Campy and

Shimano

wheels. Of course, creative ideas for acquiring these wheels would be

the

best

suggestions.

Wheels support was working hard today and looked like they did a great

job.

Obra rocks!!!

Tim Maloney

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mick Walsh" <mickw-@comcast.net>

To: <ro-@hevanet.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:27 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

I don't want to sound negative, but I ride Campy 10-speed and I'm sure

there

are many more riders out there that ride Campy. Why should we have to

pay

for Shimano wheels? Also, are there going to be 2 follow cars for every

category at every race? so everyone gets a fair shot at these wheels.

Just constructive comments, I do think the wheels are a great idea:)

Mick

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ron Magnus" <ro-@hevanet.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:57 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00

surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and

services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be

able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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Dan H.

2004-02-15

I rarely if ever put my spare wheels in the follow car for 2 reasons.

1] If I get a flat, my race is probably over and the likelihood of me

catching up to the pack while not impossible is remote and I may as well

look for a ride to the parking lot.

2] I don't like the "wheels in, wheels out" deal. If I need a wheel, I want

MY wheel that MY bike is set up for and I don't want some fred using my

wheels and possibly flatting, damaging or going home with them.

If I feel I have a chance to catch back on and have to use someone else's

wheel to do it and finish the race I will.

I like the OBRA wheel deal and would happily donate to the cause.

Just raise the OBRA membership fee $5.00. Not all OBRA members benefit from

OBRA's services and equipment, but I don't have kids and still pay tax for

schools that buy a dozen $1400.00 pizza cutters!

That's my thoughts on the matter.

----- Original Message -----

From: <mike.m-@obra.org>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 6:44 PM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Today we collected donations to the wheel fund for the first time. There

were 2 problems:

1) The amount collected was not sufficient to cover the costs of the

program. Given that donations are likely to drop off I think this makes

it

clear that an all donation program will not work.

2) The number of personal wheels available to the follow cars was

insufficient. Likely this was in part because people thought "The OBRA

wheels will be there. I don't need to leave mine."

I suggest that we establish a program of requiring each rider to pay a $1

surcharge for each race that the wheels are present at which will be

waived

if they provide wheels for the follow vehicle.

If you have 10 speed you should then provide your own wheels and save the

$1/race, at least until 10 speed becomes the new standard. One should

also

keep in mind that regardless of whether you put wheels in the car the ones

you get from the car will be the ones that are in there. If you expect

that

extra time will be spent searching in the car for your special wheels, or

even wheels to exactly match you gear configuration then the wheel change

will be MUCH slower and of even less point anyhow. David Kerchinsky is

correct. Mostly this wheels are about getting you to the finish, not

about

getting you back into the field with a perfectly working gear set. It is

perfectly possible to limp back in with a 9 speed cluster stuck in your 10

speed bike.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: Ron Magnus [mailto:ro-@hevanet.com]

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 21:57 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00

surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and

services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be

able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

2004-02-15

We used every wheel in the 1/2/3 field today. some of the other fields

didn't have any flats at all. I will call Roger tomorrow and see how he felt

the program ran. Less than 1/3 of the riders donated so collections were

pretty meager.

Candi

-----Original Message-----

From: Tim [mailto:tim-@comcast.net]

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 6:25 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Lets see how money collection and wheel support went at the Cherry Pie

today.

Once know how we (racers) are going to be paying for the program, I am sure

the wise and hardworking obra people will get some 10 speed Campy and

Shimano

wheels. Of course, creative ideas for acquiring these wheels would be the

best

suggestions.

Wheels support was working hard today and looked like they did a great job.

Obra rocks!!!

Tim Maloney

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mick Walsh" <mickw-@comcast.net>

To: <ro-@hevanet.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:27 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

I don't want to sound negative, but I ride Campy 10-speed and I'm sure

there

are many more riders out there that ride Campy. Why should we have to pay

for Shimano wheels? Also, are there going to be 2 follow cars for every

category at every race? so everyone gets a fair shot at these wheels.

Just constructive comments, I do think the wheels are a great idea:)

Mick

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ron Magnus" <ro-@hevanet.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:57 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00

surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and

services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be

able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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mike.m-@obra.org

2004-02-15

Today we collected donations to the wheel fund for the first time. There

were 2 problems:

1) The amount collected was not sufficient to cover the costs of the

program. Given that donations are likely to drop off I think this makes it

clear that an all donation program will not work.

2) The number of personal wheels available to the follow cars was

insufficient. Likely this was in part because people thought "The OBRA

wheels will be there. I don't need to leave mine."

I suggest that we establish a program of requiring each rider to pay a $1

surcharge for each race that the wheels are present at which will be waived

if they provide wheels for the follow vehicle.

If you have 10 speed you should then provide your own wheels and save the

$1/race, at least until 10 speed becomes the new standard. One should also

keep in mind that regardless of whether you put wheels in the car the ones

you get from the car will be the ones that are in there. If you expect that

extra time will be spent searching in the car for your special wheels, or

even wheels to exactly match you gear configuration then the wheel change

will be MUCH slower and of even less point anyhow. David Kerchinsky is

correct. Mostly this wheels are about getting you to the finish, not about

getting you back into the field with a perfectly working gear set. It is

perfectly possible to limp back in with a 9 speed cluster stuck in your 10

speed bike.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: Ron Magnus [mailto:ro-@hevanet.com]

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 21:57 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00 surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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Tim

2004-02-15

Lets see how money collection and wheel support went at the Cherry Pie

today.

Once know how we (racers) are going to be paying for the program, I am sure

the wise and hardworking obra people will get some 10 speed Campy and

Shimano

wheels. Of course, creative ideas for acquiring these wheels would be the

best

suggestions.

Wheels support was working hard today and looked like they did a great job.

Obra rocks!!!

Tim Maloney

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mick Walsh" <mickw-@comcast.net>

To: <ro-@hevanet.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:27 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

I don't want to sound negative, but I ride Campy 10-speed and I'm sure

there

are many more riders out there that ride Campy. Why should we have to pay

for Shimano wheels? Also, are there going to be 2 follow cars for every

category at every race? so everyone gets a fair shot at these wheels.

Just constructive comments, I do think the wheels are a great idea:)

Mick

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ron Magnus" <ro-@hevanet.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:57 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00

surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and

services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be

able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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mark duff

2004-02-15

Please don't take this as criticism...

In a stage race a wheel change - 10mins late, it would be to make the time

cut not the parking lot:) If your going to take a wheel make the effort.

Don't just ride back to the car, if your going to do that then just get in

the follow car. I know in the Elite races, well organized teams will drop a

few riders back and help there rider chase back in. Mick, myself and the

whole peloton saw this at last years TST with Symmetrics. And then they

went on to win the race. I would say that any truly motivated individual in

a race can make it back in, and with teammates to help it just makes it

easier. Take a wheel... please make the effort, if not leave it for someone

else.

just my 2 cents

Mark

From: David Kerchinsky <kerch-@hotmail.com>

Reply-To: kerch-@hotmail.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:34:28 +0000

I think the whole purpose of the wheels is to get you back to the car. I

really don't know anyone that has received a wheel change and got back on

with the peleton to finish in the points. At Mt Hood Classic, I had to

wait 10 minutes for a wheel and I was lucky to get it to finish the race.

That's way better than putting in a tube (if you have one) or walking back

to your car in your cleats.

From: Mick Walsh <mickw-@comcast.net>

Reply-To: mickw-@comcast.net

To: ro-@hevanet.com, ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:27:09 -0800

I don't want to sound negative, but I ride Campy 10-speed and I'm sure

there

are many more riders out there that ride Campy. Why should we have to pay

for Shimano wheels? Also, are there going to be 2 follow cars for every

category at every race? so everyone gets a fair shot at these wheels.

Just constructive comments, I do think the wheels are a great idea:)

Mick

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ron Magnus" <ro-@hevanet.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:57 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To

make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00

surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and

services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be

able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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Ron Magnus

2004-02-15

Hi Mick,

Good comments for sure. I too am at a disadvantage as I am retro with 8

an speed set still which would still mean problems for you as well as me

and our compatriates with same. So even though there are some bugs in the

program as you stated, it's a great start....right? (crowd stands up and

cheers).

Ron Magnus

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Mick Walsh wrote:

I don't want to sound negative, but I ride Campy 10-speed and I'm sure

there are many more riders out there that ride Campy. Why should we have

to pay for Shimano wheels? Also, are there going to be 2 follow cars for

every category at every race? so everyone gets a fair shot at these

wheels. Just constructive comments, I do think the wheels are a great

idea.

Mick

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ron Magnus" <ro-@hevanet.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:57 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00

surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and

services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be

able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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David Kerchinsky

2004-02-15

I think the whole purpose of the wheels is to get you back to the car. I

really don't know anyone that has received a wheel change and got back on

with the peleton to finish in the points. At Mt Hood Classic, I had to wait

10 minutes for a wheel and I was lucky to get it to finish the race. That's

way better than putting in a tube (if you have one) or walking back to your

car in your cleats.

From: Mick Walsh <mickw-@comcast.net>

Reply-To: mickw-@comcast.net

To: ro-@hevanet.com, ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:27:09 -0800

I don't want to sound negative, but I ride Campy 10-speed and I'm sure

there

are many more riders out there that ride Campy. Why should we have to pay

for Shimano wheels? Also, are there going to be 2 follow cars for every

category at every race? so everyone gets a fair shot at these wheels.

Just constructive comments, I do think the wheels are a great idea:)

Mick

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ron Magnus" <ro-@hevanet.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:57 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00

surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and

services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be

able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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Mick Walsh

2004-02-15

I don't want to sound negative, but I ride Campy 10-speed and I'm sure there

are many more riders out there that ride Campy. Why should we have to pay

for Shimano wheels? Also, are there going to be 2 follow cars for every

category at every race? so everyone gets a fair shot at these wheels.

Just constructive comments, I do think the wheels are a great idea:)

Mick

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ron Magnus" <ro-@hevanet.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:57 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00

surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and

services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be

able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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Roger Joys

2004-02-15

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-----Original Message-----

From: Ron Magnus [mailto:ro-@hevanet.com]

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 05:57 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Wheels: A suggestion

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00 surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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One person says:

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Ron Magnus <ro-@hevanet.com> wrote:

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00 surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus

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<DIV> Sounds like a good idea to me.<BR><BR><B><I>Ron Magnus <ro-@hevanet.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>

<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make<BR>things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00 surcharge<BR>be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and services<BR>are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this<BR>valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be able<BR>to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.<BR><BR>What say ye of the masses?<BR><BR>Ron Magnus</BLOCKQUOTE><p><hr SIZE=1>

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Ron Magnus

2004-02-14

Quite the positive response to the new wheel program from OBRA! To make

things a little easier for the entire season how about if a $1.00 surcharge

be attached to the entry fees for the races where these wheels and services

are provided. Seems to me that it would be easier to not "forget" this

valuable service as the season wears on. The OBRA staff then would be able

to disperse the funds much easier in my humble opinion.

What say ye of the masses?

Ron Magnus