RE: Centerline and other violations

Matthew W

2004-02-19



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As the guilty Team-O rider who thrice crossed the line in the 3/4/5 race, I must to object to that assessment of someone dropping back to let officials know what's going on.



As I am now aware, the issue of crossing the centerline is one that involves people's lives. There is no honor in remaining silent about this sort of act, regardless of the intent of the transgressor.



It would have been appropriate for me to have been disqualified. And because of the implications of crossing the line I personally believe that it is our obligation to inform officials when this occurs.



With apologies,

Matthew Wolpert









Ted Forgeron <te-@easystreet.com> wrote:

That would be "rat finking".



-----Original Message-----

From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn [mailto:cmur-@obra.org]

Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:18 AM

To: Shane Stent; obra

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Centerline and other violations



I think it might work better if a rider who sees some blatant abuse drops

back and lets the official know the # of the riders doing the offense.

Candi







-----Original Message-----

From: Shane Stent [mailto:sst-@msn.com]

Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:16 AM

To: mike.m-@obra.org; cmur-@obra.org

Subject: Centerline and other violations





Since it seems that there are still kids out there who refuse to play by the

rules and since the officials cannot catch all, would there be any validity

to have a few "moles" amongst the categories to ensure safety.



No one would know who they are and the "moles" would report violations at

the close of the race in a discreet manner. I know this gets into a wierd

area of Big Brother and such but in the name of safety and clean racing,

would it be worth it?



If all of a sudden, 10 riders are DQ'd at the end of race and no official

made the call, racers might start to behave a little better.



Of course, there are a lot of questions with this.....how does a mole or a

couple of moles keep track of guilty parties and still enjoy the race? How

do you know if a mole is telling the truth? If Kent were a mole, would he

report Lance in violation each race and vice versa?



Just a simple idea from a simple person who enjoys keeping the rubber side

down.



Shane





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<DIV>As the guilty Team-O rider who thrice crossed the line in the 3/4/5 race, I must to object to that assessment of someone dropping back to let officials know what's going on. </DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>As I am now aware, the issue of crossing the centerline is one that involves people's lives. There is no honor in remaining silent about this sort of act, regardless of the intent of the transgressor.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>It would have been appropriate for me to have been disqualified. And because of the implications of crossing the line I personally believe that it is our obligation to inform officials when this occurs.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>With apologies,</DIV>

<DIV>Matthew Wolpert</DIV>

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<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV> <BR><BR><B><I>Ted Forgeron <te-@easystreet.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>

<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">That would be "rat finking".<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn [mailto:cmur-@obra.org] <BR>Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:18 AM<BR>To: Shane Stent; obra<BR>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Centerline and other violations<BR><BR>I think it might work better if a rider who sees some blatant abuse drops<BR>back and lets the official know the # of the riders doing the offense.<BR>Candi<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Shane Stent [mailto:sst-@msn.com]<BR>Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:16 AM<BR>To: mike.m-@obra.org; cmur-@obra.org<BR>Subject: Centerline and other violations<BR><BR><BR>Since it seems that there are still kids out there who refuse to play by the<BR>rules and since the officials cannot catch all, would there be any validity<BR>to have a few "moles" amongst the categories to ensure

safety.<BR><BR>No one would know who they are and the "moles" would report violations at<BR>the close of the race in a discreet manner. I know this gets into a wierd<BR>area of Big Brother and such but in the name of safety and clean racing,<BR>would it be worth it?<BR><BR>If all of a sudden, 10 riders are DQ'd at the end of race and no official<BR>made the call, racers might start to behave a little better.<BR><BR>Of course, there are a lot of questions with this.....how does a mole or a<BR>couple of moles keep track of guilty parties and still enjoy the race? How<BR>do you know if a mole is telling the truth? If Kent were a mole, would he<BR>report Lance in violation each race and vice versa?<BR><BR>Just a simple idea from a simple person who enjoys keeping the rubber side<BR>down.<BR><BR>Shane<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p><hr SIZE=1>

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