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Well right on Matt. You are truly a stand up guy who has learned more in an afternoon
of e-mail swapping then many in the peleton will learn all year.
It's very refreshing to hear ANYBODY in our society take ownership of their mistake.
An open mind and ear will serve you well in this sport........
Ric
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew W
To: te-@easystreet.com ; cmur-@obra.org ; 'Shane Stent' ; 'obra'
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:48 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Centerline and other violations
As the guilty Team-O rider who thrice crossed the line in the 3/4/5 race, I must to object to that assessment of someone dropping back to let officials know what's going on.
As I am now aware, the issue of crossing the centerline is one that involves people's lives. There is no honor in remaining silent about this sort of act, regardless of the intent of the transgressor.
It would have been appropriate for me to have been disqualified. And because of the implications of crossing the line I personally believe that it is our obligation to inform officials when this occurs.
With apologies,
Matthew Wolpert
Ted Forgeron <te-@easystreet.com> wrote:
That would be "rat finking".
-----Original Message-----
From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn [mailto:cmur-@obra.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:18 AM
To: Shane Stent; obra
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Centerline and other violations
I think it might work better if a rider who sees some blatant abuse drops
back and lets the official know the # of the riders doing the offense.
Candi
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Stent [mailto:sst-@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:16 AM
To: mike.m-@obra.org; cmur-@obra.org
Subject: Centerline and other violations
Since it seems that there are still kids out there who refuse to play by the
rules and since the officials cannot catch all, would there be any validity
to have a few "moles" amongst the categories to ensure safety.
No one would know who they are and the "moles" would report violations at
the close of the race in a discreet manner. I know this gets into a wierd
area of Big Brother and such but in the name of safety and clean racing,
would it be worth it?
If all of a sudden, 10 riders are DQ'd at the end of race and no official
made the call, racers might start to behave a little better.
Of course, there are a lot of questions with this.....how does a mole or a
couple of moles keep track of guilty parties and still enjoy the race? How
do you know if a mole is telling the truth? If Kent were a mole, would he
report Lance in violation each race and vice versa?
Just a simple idea from a simple person who enjoys keeping the rubber side
down.
Shane
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<DIV>Well right on Matt. You are truly a stand up guy who has learned more in an
afternoon</DIV>
<DIV>of e-mail swapping then many in the peleton will learn all year.</DIV>
<DIV>It's very refreshing to hear ANYBODY in our society take ownership of their
mistake.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>An open mind and ear will serve you well in this sport........</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ric</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=albert-@yahoo.com
href="mailto:albertanu-@yahoo.com">Matthew W</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title-@easystreet.com
href="mailto:te-@easystreet.com">te-@easystreet.com</A> ; <A
title=c-@obra.org href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org</A> ;
<A title=-@msn.com href="mailto:sst-@msn.com">'Shane Stent'</A> ; <A
title-@topica.com href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">'obra'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:48
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OBRA Chat] Centerline and
other violations</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As the guilty Team-O rider who thrice crossed the line in the 3/4/5 race,
I must to object to that assessment of someone dropping back to let
officials know what's going on. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As I am now aware, the issue of crossing the centerline is one that
involves people's lives. There is no honor in remaining silent about this sort
of act, regardless of the intent of the transgressor.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It would have been appropriate for me to have been disqualified. And
because of the implications of crossing the line I personally
believe that it is our obligation to inform officials when this occurs.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>With apologies,</DIV>
<DIV>Matthew Wolpert</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Ted Forgeron <te-@easystreet.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">That
would be "rat finking".<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Candi
Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn [mailto:cmur-@obra.org] <BR>Sent:
Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:18 AM<BR>To: Shane Stent; obra<BR>Subject:
RE: [OBRA Chat] Centerline and other violations<BR><BR>I think it might work
better if a rider who sees some blatant abuse drops<BR>back and lets the
official know the # of the riders doing the
offense.<BR>Candi<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Shane
Stent [mailto:sst-@msn.com]<BR>Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:16
AM<BR>To: mike.m-@obra.org; cmur-@obra.org<BR>Subject: Centerline and
other violations<BR><BR><BR>Since it seems that there are still kids out
there who refuse to play by the<BR>rules and since the officials cannot
catch all, would there be any validity<BR>to have a few "moles" amongst the
categories to ensure safety.<BR><BR>No one would know who they are and the
"moles" would report violations at<BR>the close of the race in a discreet
manner. I know this gets into a wierd<BR>area of Big Brother and such but in
the name of safety and clean racing,<BR>would it be worth it?<BR><BR>If all
of a sudden, 10 riders are DQ'd at the end of race and no official<BR>made
the call, racers might start to behave a little better.<BR><BR>Of course,
there are a lot of questions with this.....how does a mole or a<BR>couple of
moles keep track of guilty parties and still enjoy the race? How<BR>do you
know if a mole is telling the truth? If Kent were a mole, would he<BR>report
Lance in violation each race and vice versa?<BR><BR>Just a simple idea from
a simple person who enjoys keeping the rubber
side<BR>down.<BR><BR>Shane<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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