Keith A. Prior
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I was going to say the same! That guy has quite a pair for owning up to
that!
-K
-----Original Message-----
From: The Greenwalts [mailto:rcgree-@qwest.net]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:06 AM
To: albertanu-@yahoo.com; te-@easystreet.com; cmur-@obra.org;
'Shane Stent'; 'obra'
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Centerline and other violations
Well right on Matt. You are truly a stand up guy who has learned more in
an afternoon
of e-mail swapping then many in the peleton will learn all year.
It's very refreshing to hear ANYBODY in our society take ownership of
their mistake.
An open mind and ear will serve you well in this sport........
Ric
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew W
To: te-@easystreet.com ; cmur-@obra.org ; 'Shane Stent' ; 'obra'
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:48 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Centerline and other violations
As the guilty Team-O rider who thrice crossed the line in the 3/4/5
race, I must to object to that assessment of someone dropping back to let
officials know what's going on.
As I am now aware, the issue of crossing the centerline is one that
involves people's lives. There is no honor in remaining silent about this
sort of act, regardless of the intent of the transgressor.
It would have been appropriate for me to have been disqualified. And
because of the implications of crossing the line I personally believe that
it is our obligation to inform officials when this occurs.
With apologies,
Matthew Wolpert
Ted Forgeron <te-@easystreet.com> wrote:
That would be "rat finking".
-----Original Message-----
From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn
[mailto:cmur-@obra.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:18 AM
To: Shane Stent; obra
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Centerline and other violations
I think it might work better if a rider who sees some blatant abuse
drops
back and lets the official know the # of the riders doing the offense.
Candi
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Stent [mailto:sst-@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:16 AM
To: mike.m-@obra.org; cmur-@obra.org
Subject: Centerline and other violations
Since it seems that there are still kids out there who refuse to play
by the
rules and since the officials cannot catch all, would there be any
validity
to have a few "moles" amongst the categories to ensure safety.
No one would know who they are and the "moles" would report violations
at
the close of the race in a discreet manner. I know this gets into a
wierd
area of Big Brother and such but in the name of safety and clean
racing,
would it be worth it?
If all of a sudden, 10 riders are DQ'd at the end of race and no
official
made the call, racers might start to behave a little better.
Of course, there are a lot of questions with this.....how does a mole
or a
couple of moles keep track of guilty parties and still enjoy the race?
How
do you know if a mole is telling the truth? If Kent were a mole, would
he
report Lance in violation each race and vice versa?
Just a simple idea from a simple person who enjoys keeping the rubber
side
down.
Shane
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=421573416-20022004>I was
going to say the same! That guy has quite a pair for owning up to
that!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=421573416-20022004>-K</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> The Greenwalts
[mailto:rcgree-@qwest.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 20, 2004 12:06
AM<BR><B>To:</B> albertanu-@yahoo.com; te-@easystreet.com;
cmur-@obra.org; 'Shane Stent'; 'obra'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat]
Centerline and other violations<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Well right on Matt. You are truly a stand up guy who has learned more in
an afternoon</DIV>
<DIV>of e-mail swapping then many in the peleton will learn all year.</DIV>
<DIV>It's very refreshing to hear ANYBODY in our society take ownership of
their mistake.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>An open mind and ear will serve you well in this sport........</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ric</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=albert-@yahoo.com
href="mailto:albertanu-@yahoo.com">Matthew W</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title-@easystreet.com
href="mailto:te-@easystreet.com">te-@easystreet.com</A> ; <A
title=c-@obra.org href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org</A> ;
<A title=-@msn.com href="mailto:sst-@msn.com">'Shane Stent'</A> ; <A
title-@topica.com href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">'obra'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:48
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OBRA Chat] Centerline and
other violations</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As the guilty Team-O rider who thrice crossed the line in the 3/4/5
race, I must to object to that assessment of someone dropping back to
let officials know what's going on. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As I am now aware, the issue of crossing the centerline is one that
involves people's lives. There is no honor in remaining silent about this
sort of act, regardless of the intent of the transgressor.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It would have been appropriate for me to have been disqualified. And
because of the implications of crossing the line I personally
believe that it is our obligation to inform officials when this
occurs.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>With apologies,</DIV>
<DIV>Matthew Wolpert</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Ted Forgeron <te-@easystreet.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">That
would be "rat finking".<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Candi
Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn [mailto:cmur-@obra.org] <BR>Sent:
Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:18 AM<BR>To: Shane Stent; obra<BR>Subject:
RE: [OBRA Chat] Centerline and other violations<BR><BR>I think it might
work better if a rider who sees some blatant abuse drops<BR>back and lets
the official know the # of the riders doing the
offense.<BR>Candi<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Shane
Stent [mailto:sst-@msn.com]<BR>Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:16
AM<BR>To: mike.m-@obra.org; cmur-@obra.org<BR>Subject: Centerline
and other violations<BR><BR><BR>Since it seems that there are still kids
out there who refuse to play by the<BR>rules and since the officials
cannot catch all, would there be any validity<BR>to have a few "moles"
amongst the categories to ensure safety.<BR><BR>No one would know who they
are and the "moles" would report violations at<BR>the close of the race in
a discreet manner. I know this gets into a wierd<BR>area of Big Brother
and such but in the name of safety and clean racing,<BR>would it be worth
it?<BR><BR>If all of a sudden, 10 riders are DQ'd at the end of race and
no official<BR>made the call, racers might start to behave a little
better.<BR><BR>Of course, there are a lot of questions with this.....how
does a mole or a<BR>couple of moles keep track of guilty parties and still
enjoy the race? How<BR>do you know if a mole is telling the truth? If Kent
were a mole, would he<BR>report Lance in violation each race and vice
versa?<BR><BR>Just a simple idea from a simple person who enjoys keeping
the rubber side<BR>down.<BR><BR>Shane<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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