Endurance Events and Drugs

nelle-@earthlink.net

2004-02-29



This is a good discussion. Larry Hopkins certainly has a lot of

experience with problems relating to ultra endurane riding. Most of us

do not ride/race for such distance and time. Cramping is in most cases

due to a combination of the loss of both fluids and electrolytes and

other minerals. Sometimes, it is a matter of simply changing the

concentration of a sport drink of the sports drink itself. No drink

should contain more than 6-10% of solutes in order to get absorbed. One

racer friend was usuing a high protein drink during races and cramping

terribly. I suggested he switch to Cytomax during the race and his

problem went away(last I heard). The take home here is that what works

for one person with one problem is not necessarily the answer for

everyone. Calcium supplements or potassium ones are not to be taken in

huge quantities by everyone. Problems can arise like kidney stones or

other kidney problems if you're not careful and have any predisposing

medical concerns.



Ellen Michaelson

HealthMax, LLC

(503)243-6614



Roger Joys wrote:



 Yes, I have also had good success with Calcium Magnesium Potassium as

well as the Calcium\Potassium I mentioned earlier.







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Roger Joys

2004-02-26



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Yes, I have also had good success with Calcium Magnesium Potassium as well as the Calcium\Potassium I mentioned earlier.



-r





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From: Hopkins, Larry [mailto:lhop-@Huntair.com]

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 06:12 PM

To: burma-@yahoo.com, ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Endurance Events and Drugs



Ultra endurance athletes often recommend Calmag or calcium magnesium supplements to control cramping. Some people are prone to cramping and I am one of them. I first used calmag to fight acute cramping in the Race Across Oregon last year while competing on a two person relay. It worked like a miracle. Even though I was taking fluids, electrolytes and sodium I got to a point where I could not ride. At one point virtually every muscle in my legs was either cramping or on the verge of it. When I stretched one way my muscles would cramp in another....not a good sign with 350 miles to go. A race official saw what was going on and gave me some calmag. About fifteen minutes later I was able to get back on the bike and ride and a couple hours after that I felt back to normal. Now I keep some around and use it on especially hot days and it seems to work great.



Larry Hopkins



-----Original Message-----

From: P Kudszus [mailto:burma-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:22 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Endurance Events and Drugs





Just wondering if anyone has had any experience using

the over the counter supplement called " Thermo-Tabs "



This tablet is a form of Sodium Chloride. It will aid

in cramping issues do to heat and sweating during

longer endurance events.



Currently doing research for longer events that will

take place this summer.



If you have any suggestions...let me know.



Thanx



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Hopkins, Larry

2004-02-26



Ultra endurance athletes often recommend Calmag or calcium magnesium supplements to control cramping. Some people are prone to cramping and I am one of them. I first used calmag to fight acute cramping in the Race Across Oregon last year while competing on a two person relay. It worked like a miracle. Even though I was taking fluids, electrolytes and sodium I got to a point where I could not ride. At one point virtually every muscle in my legs was either cramping or on the verge of it. When I stretched one way my muscles would cramp in another....not a good sign with 350 miles to go. A race official saw what was going on and gave me some calmag. About fifteen minutes later I was able to get back on the bike and ride and a couple hours after that I felt back to normal. Now I keep some around and use it on especially hot days and it seems to work great.    



Larry Hopkins      



-----Original Message-----

From: P Kudszus [mailto:burma-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:22 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Endurance Events and Drugs





Just wondering if anyone has had any experience using

the over the counter supplement called " Thermo-Tabs "



This tablet is a form of Sodium Chloride. It will aid

in cramping issues do to heat and sweating during

longer endurance events.



Currently doing research for longer events that will

take place this summer.



If you have any suggestions...let me know.



        Thanx



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Roger Joys

2004-02-26



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I am a chronic cramper and use sodium potassium chloride. You can get it at Natures or Whole Foods or any other place that sells stuff like that.



I've tried various sodium symporters (EG Sodium Chloride), but the addition of potassium has been of big benefit.



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P Kudszus

2004-02-25



Just wondering if anyone has had any experience using

the over the counter supplement called " Thermo-Tabs "



This tablet is a form of Sodium Chloride. It will aid

in cramping issues do to heat and sweating during

longer endurance events.



Currently doing research for longer events that will

take place this summer.



If you have any suggestions...let me know.



        Thanx



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