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Everyone contributing to this thread needs to go back to work and stop wasting your employers dollars. If you are self employed or at home your time would be better spent riding your bike not typing about it.
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From: Peter Murphy [mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:37 PM
To: ob-@topica.com; shi-@lists.riseup.net
Subject: RE: [shift] Re: [OBRA Chat] Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth your tim
A moving violation is a moving violation. Are they going to up the fines on large trucks that run red lights? The big truck's impact to public safety is much greater than a honda Civic's.
Pete Murphy
From: "Smith, Jeff" <Jeff.-@pdxtrans.org>
To: 'Peter Murphy' <murphy_-@hotmail.com>, ob-@topica.com,shi-@lists.riseup.net
Subject: RE: [shift] Re: [OBRA Chat] Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth your time)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:48:27 -0800
I agree, Pete --- except that as it currently stands the fine for a cyclist
& a motorist running a red light is exactly the same. Which, when viewed in
terms of the risk to public safety, is ridiculous. Fine schedules for
traffic violations were increased in the last legislative session, with (for
Portland at least) the increased income devoted to a traffic safety fund
(for enforcement, education, & some engineering). In the current
legislature i saw last week a bill had been introduced in the State Senate
to reduce the traffic fines on cyclists --- an excellent idea.
jeff
Pete wrote:
Advocate for heavier traffic fines and prosecution of the people who break
the law. This includes cyclists. If a cyclist blows a red light and gets
caught, fine 'em, but also fine the car that did not come to a complete stop
beore making a right turn on a red light.
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Peter Murphy
[mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 26,
2005 12:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com;
shi-@lists.riseup.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [shift] Re: [OBRA Chat] Code of
Conduct (long, but hopefully worth your tim<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P>A moving violation is a moving violation. Are they going to up the fines on
large trucks that run red lights? The big truck's impact to public safety
is much greater than a honda Civic's. <BR><BR><BR>Pete Murphy </P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: "Smith, Jeff" <Jeff.-@pdxtrans.org>
<DIV></DIV>>To: 'Peter Murphy' <murphy_-@hotmail.com>,
ob-@topica.com,shi-@lists.riseup.net
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [shift] Re: [OBRA Chat] Code of Conduct (long, but
hopefully worth your time)
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:48:27 -0800
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<DIV></DIV>>I agree, Pete --- except that as it currently stands the fine
for a cyclist
<DIV></DIV>>& a motorist running a red light is exactly the
same. Which, when viewed in
<DIV></DIV>>terms of the risk to public safety, is
ridiculous. Fine schedules for
<DIV></DIV>>traffic violations were increased in the last legislative
session, with (for
<DIV></DIV>>Portland at least) the increased income devoted to a traffic
safety fund
<DIV></DIV>>(for enforcement, education, & some
engineering). In the current
<DIV></DIV>>legislature i saw last week a bill had been introduced in the
State Senate
<DIV></DIV>>to reduce the traffic fines on cyclists --- an excellent idea.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>jeff
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Pete wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Advocate for heavier traffic fines and prosecution of the
people who break
<DIV></DIV>>the law. This includes cyclists. If a cyclist blows a red light
and gets
<DIV></DIV>>caught, fine 'em, but also fine the car that did not come to a
complete stop
<DIV></DIV>>beore making a right turn on a red light.
<DIV></DIV>>
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<DIV></DIV>>_________________________________________
<DIV></DIV>>The homepage for this list can be found at
http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/shift
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<DIV></DIV>>People may unsubscribe by sending mail to
<DIV></DIV>>shift-uns-@lists.riseup.net
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