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Ok my delete key is starting to wear out! We are all adults and we should no
the laws of the road. If we abide by them, all is fine. Yes there is extreme
cases with problem stoplight triggers/sensors and all, but really we know if
we are breaking a law or not...can we please move on....maybe even go ride
our bikes.
Cheers
Mark
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<P>A moving violation is a moving violation. Are they going to up the fines on large trucks that run red lights? The big truck's impact to public safety is much greater than a honda Civic's. <BR><BR><BR>Pete Murphy </P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: "Smith, Jeff" <Jeff.-@pdxtrans.org>
<DIV></DIV>>To: 'Peter Murphy' <murphy_-@hotmail.com>, ob-@topica.com,shi-@lists.riseup.net
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [shift] Re: [OBRA Chat] Code of Conduct (long, but hopefully worth your time)
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:48:27 -0800
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<DIV></DIV>>I agree, Pete --- except that as it currently stands the fine for a cyclist
<DIV></DIV>>& a motorist running a red light is exactly the same. Which, when viewed in
<DIV></DIV>>terms of the risk to public safety, is ridiculous. Fine schedules for
<DIV></DIV>>traffic violations were increased in the last legislative session, with (for
<DIV></DIV>>Portland at least) the increased income devoted to a traffic safety fund
<DIV></DIV>>(for enforcement, education, & some engineering). In the current
<DIV></DIV>>legislature i saw last week a bill had been introduced in the State Senate
<DIV></DIV>>to reduce the traffic fines on cyclists --- an excellent idea.
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<DIV></DIV>>Pete wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>>Advocate for heavier traffic fines and prosecution of the people who break
<DIV></DIV>>the law. This includes cyclists. If a cyclist blows a red light and gets
<DIV></DIV>>caught, fine 'em, but also fine the car that did not come to a complete stop
<DIV></DIV>>beore making a right turn on a red light.
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